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Mushroom tea, weak or just different?
    #18984758 - 10/16/13 03:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I apologise in advance if this question has been asked a million times before, but searching for "mushroom tea weak effect" and similar searches returns a bunch of very vaguely titled "mushroom tea" "mushroom tea" "mushroom tea" threads that I simply don't have the patience to trawl through. After looking through the first 30 or so I gave up.

Some background: I once took less than half a gram as an experiment. I did trip and it was still quite strong, but like all previous trips I did not experience any kind of high like I did this time on tea.

Can mushroom tea produce different effects from straight eating them? I had a 1.5g of bone-dry powdered mushroom tea, simmered for the instructed length of time, strained as instructed. I barely tripped at all, even the visuals weren't much more than what's normally there sober anyway.

However after a puke (the tea was supposed to help with nausea, it didn't) and a drink of apple and mango juice I was bouncing off the walls hyper. I was talking absolute rubbish, everything was hilarious I was giggling so much it was almost uncontrollable. I couldn't stay still, had to keep my body moving. I was contorting my body into positions that would normally be impossible for me, I felt so flexible and limber and it felt good to stretch in all these different ways. My grin was very tight and fixed and I found myself grinding my teeth a bit, something I never do. I was drawing pictures, telling jokes (Me? Tell jokes? What is this madness?) that had my friend laughing (My joke was actually funny? Is this real life? In case you hadn't guessed, I never do jokes) and generally being really silly and all over the place funny joyful affectionate and all that. Oh, and very physically sensitive.

My few previous trips had unsettling moments, anxiety and times when my understanding of reality was challenged and my jimmies got proper rustled multiple times. I actually really like these new perspectives and usually feel much better for it afterwards. This tip had none of that though, it was just smooth sailing the whole time. Made a nice relaxing change, not a drop of anxiety or doubt (except from the usual second thoughts right before dosing).

I have never heard magic mushrooms being described with the exact effects I've had, at least not all at once in complete absence of an actual trip. I was missing the trip though, especially as the high started to subside I started to feel some creeping disappointment that I seemed to have missed the bus I was supposed to take, but I didn't entertain that disappointment for long. It was still a lot of fun. I just wonder, how could the effects have been so drastically different from previous occasions? Has anyone else any experience of this? Is it just because it's tea? Is there some chemistry explanation to this?


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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: Eukaryote11]
    #18985379 - 10/16/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Placebo effect on top of a very small dose...
Half a gram is barely above minimum effect threshold
Was your mind playing tricks on you I would say...

Some people puke easily... Some don't
I have never puked on mushrooms but have had nausea

Have you ever tried making some ginger tea with honey and sipping it on the come up?
If nothing else seems to help, try a Dramamine an hour before ingestion

Anyway...


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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: HarryL]
    #18985436 - 10/16/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, I should have mentioned that 0.5 dose was an experimental dose that I did a few months ago. I forgot to state the dose for this occasion.

On this occasion with the tea I used 1.5, which on previous occasions has been really strong for me. Before that was 1.7-ish which for me is bordering on what some might describe as "mind fuck", so 1.5 is my comfortable dose. That was at least a month before the tea dose, possibly longer so I shouldn't have had any tolerance.

I've never been one to get 'hyper' placebo effects either (I'm more likely to get placebo nausea, or placebo pain, or something negative). I'm not a hyper person at all. Even drinking coffee I'm more likely to get lethargic than hyper. Not only that but I was not expecting hyperactivity to be an effect at all. But I'm not dismissing your suggestion as being wrong, I don't know this for sure.

I'll be sure to try the ginger and honey if I can find any fresh ginger. Harder to come by than weed these days. I've never heard of dramamine, I assume it's sold in pharmacies or something? Anyway I'll have a look. :smile:


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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: Eukaryote11]
    #18985466 - 10/16/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You took a tiny dose, what you described is exactly how i'd feel if i took 1.5 grams and just ate them on an empty stomach. If you are too afraid of mushrooms to take an actual real sized dose it's best you move on from them. Try 3 grams and break them up and put them into empty Gel Caps. If you insist on Tea then try 3 grams in Tea. you can use a coffee filter as a tea bag add a few ounces of boiling water that you let sit for 1 or 2 minutes, add it to the tea, and press the tea bag often for 10 minutes or so. Letting the tea and shrooms sit in there for 20 minutes should be enough with all the pressing..

You aren't gonna get very much from 1.5 grams almost ever, the problem is your afraid to take a real dose of 3 grams or more. Do not expect anything from them if you aren' willing to take enough. That's like expecting to get shitfaced drunk from 1 sip of Coors.


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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #18985692 - 10/16/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Psilocybinjunkie, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't aware that people can have vastly varying tolerances to drugs. I know from what little experience I have eating a 1.5 dose that it's enough to make me proper trip, this occasion was an anomaly. To advise someone that they aren't taking a high enough dose because they're "too afraid" is a bit arrogant and presumptuous, considering there is no right or wrong way to enjoy mushrooms (except going against the grain of common sense, but that goes without saying) nor can you possibly know my feelings on the matter.

Oh, and while your analogy was an exaggeration (1 sip coors is not analogous to 1.5g shrooms), I used to get sick room-spinning drunk off 4 weak beers. Low tolerance. Everybody is different, you can't assume everyone will have the same tolerance to everything.


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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: Eukaryote11]
    #18986200 - 10/16/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've actually squeezed a good bit from 1.5 with a MAOI and lemon tek.

But that was with MAOI and lemon tek, and it's still not as stellar as a higher dose would be.  Go for the gold OP!


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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: ClockCode]
    #18986427 - 10/16/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh for the love of...  :facepalm: I wish I hadn't posted this now. Except for HarryL's response, they're like a more eloquent version of "chug chug chug or yer a pussy!".

I enjoy low doses and I have a low tolerance. Deal with it. Probably being physically small has much to do with it. I would have expected more experienced users to understand how tolerance can vary.


... okay I maybe overreacted there, I don't think you meant it that way ClockCode. I think next time if I try with tea I'll go for a higher dosage, and just stick with 1.5-2g if I'm eating them since they were much stronger eating straight. I don't understand why this time was so significantly weaker than previous times even though the dosage wasn't much higher on previous times, but the tea was still overall better on my tummy because I could actually puke easier so I'll stick with that next time.


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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: Eukaryote11]
    #18987101 - 10/16/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dont worry OP, you're not a pussy for not wanting to up the dose yet. Thats the safe way to do it, start small and build up so you know how you will react to the mushrooms. Althought .5g and 1.5g are pretty light doses so the effects will normally be minimal.

Supposidly tea or lemon tek intensifies the trip but I think that depends on the person because I have tried a lemon tek and I didnt notice a real difference. The theory behind it is that the acids break down the actives faster so really the come up is just shorter.


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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: Eukaryote11]
    #18987246 - 10/16/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

tl;dr but tea rules.  check my sig for the "tea tek" link if you want to do it right. :thumbup:

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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #18987285 - 10/16/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, don't get me wrong I am aware of that dosage not being strong. That's why on my first time I started with 1.5g. I simply didn't expect it to blow my mind like it did, the first trip was very intense, unsettling at times but that didn't worry me as I knew it was part of the experience, an overall amazing and unforgettable one. The second trip I felt more at ease with the troughs that were necessary to experience the peaks (not the peak effect, the peaks of the sine waves), why I upped the dose a little on the third (still not even 2 grams), but that very slight increase and the change in setting from the first sent me on a much darker trip than I expected. I liked it a lot but it kind of kicked my ass with aspects of both level 3 and level 4 trips. I see no reason to rush into higher doses when that was sufficient to send me into other dimensions.

I had heard of using lemon, I did have some at the time but I just didn't expect the tea to be so weak. It's something I'll bear in mind.

The point of the thread though was to ask if it was normal to have some variance or unreliability with tea, or if using tea can produce different effects?

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tl;dr but tea rules.  check my sig for the "tea tek" link if you want to do it right. :thumbup:

:peace:PS




Thanks I'll take a look. :smile:


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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #18987340 - 10/16/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

OP potency varies from fruit to fruit, if you've experienced desired effects off of 1.5 in the past perhaps you just had a weak batch when you brewed the tea... Only other thing I can think of is that heat destroys psilocin/psilocybin but that would only have been possible if you boiled the tea and the temperature reached above 300 degrees.

Did you ingest the mushrooms after steeping? Another thought is that you didnt steep long enough for all the alkaloids to be extracted, maybe throw a shot of vodka or liquor of choice in the brew next time to help with the extraction.

Personally Im not a fan of mushroom tea, eating them straight or using the lemon tek is the way to go IMO


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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: Hierophant]
    #18987458 - 10/16/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hierophant said:Did you ingest the mushrooms after steeping? Another thought is that you didnt steep long enough for all the alkaloids to be extracted,




:foreheadslap: I probably didn't steep it long enough. Thinking back on it now my friend and I were just too eager to get it down our throats (it wasn't 1.5 shared between us, it was more), I strained it immediately after the simmer time was over. Can't believe I forgot about that, glad you mentioned it thank you.


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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: Eukaryote11]
    #18987761 - 10/16/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

for sure, wish you the best for next time


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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: Eukaryote11]
    #26927316 - 09/09/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Dude! I have the similar feeling, too! But mine isn't tea. It's lemon tek. 4g of unproper dried shrooms and blended it with lemon juice. I drunk two shot glass of it and after awhile, I can't understand what I'm watching, and every little things that happen around me is funny and I can't stop laughing like a hyena. It's like your sense of humor is so shallow that every silly thing happened cause you to laugh a lot.


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Re: Mushroom tea, weak or just different? [Re: JudeSparky]
    #26927324 - 09/09/20 11:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, this conversation rejoined after nearly 7 years, how confusing. :rockthefuckout:

I think the nature of the consumption (straight up eat, tea, lemon tek) does make a difference, certainly in the comeup.  I also think the trip itself is shorter but more intense with acidified tea, and therefore lemon tek as well.  The descent into humor :laugh2: must be concerning if you're not naturally born that way. :cookiemonster:


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