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Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong
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Some people on here have some nice things to say about schizophrenia. Coming out of 7 years of it, I can safely say I just climbed out of a black hole, and the analogy is fitting because no real events occurred, just a slow, steady frozen frame of mental fragmentation, where I tried to be part of life but merely imitated a strange human with no real self-awareness that might have given me the hint it just wasn't going to work. The only thing that seemed to happen was that occasionally I would become extremely paranoid, but the fear was suppressed by the fact that I already felt like shit anyway.
Higher perspective on possibilities in reality? No way. Higher consciousness, intuitive powers, different level... no no no.
I'm quite upset that I ever went through this and I'd just like to challenge anyone who thinks schizophrenia has positive aspects. It's basically a chronic form of a trainwreck or trip disaster.
I wager people who get something out of schizophrenia are extremely creative or something and could have made up the same thing with a normal brain/life.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
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Define "retardation".
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
#18985050 - 10/16/13 07:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then imo it's vastly different.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
#18986489 - 10/16/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I suspect that schizophrenia works on a similar spectrum to autism.
Which means that any individual schizophrenic couldn't meaningfully generalise about how other people found the condition.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: viktor]
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There's no way to rule out the OPs assertion (final statement). It's an interesting idea.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
#18986773 - 10/16/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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circastes said: Some people on here have some nice things to say about schizophrenia. Coming out of 7 years of it, I can safely say I just climbed out of a black hole, and the analogy is fitting because no real events occurred, just a slow, steady frozen frame of mental fragmentation, where I tried to be part of life but merely imitated a strange human with no real self-awareness that might have given me the hint it just wasn't going to work. The only thing that seemed to happen was that occasionally I would become extremely paranoid, but the fear was suppressed by the fact that I already felt like shit anyway.
Higher perspective on possibilities in reality? No way. Higher consciousness, intuitive powers, different level... no no no.
I'm quite upset that I ever went through this and I'd just like to challenge anyone who thinks schizophrenia has positive aspects. It's basically a chronic form of a trainwreck or trip disaster.
The medical term used for schizophrenia was once "dementia praecox" = premature dementia.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes] 4
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Retardation and schizophrenia are two different conditions Someone suffering from schizophrenia may well be highly intelligent and educated, a retard is a potato head.
Could a retard write the below quote?
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Some people on here have some nice things to say about schizophrenia. Coming out of 7 years of it, I can safely say I just climbed out of a black hole, and the analogy is fitting because no real events occurred, just a slow, steady frozen frame of mental fragmentation, where I tried to be part of life but merely imitated a strange human with no real self-awareness that might have given me the hint it just wasn't going to work. The only thing that seemed to happen was that occasionally I would become extremely paranoid, but the fear was suppressed by the fact that I already felt like shit anyway.
Higher perspective on possibilities in reality? No way. Higher consciousness, intuitive powers, different level... no no no.
I'm quite upset that I ever went through this and I'd just like to challenge anyone who thinks schizophrenia has positive aspects. It's basically a chronic form of a trainwreck or trip disaster.
I wager people who get something out of schizophrenia are extremely creative or something and could have made up the same thing with a normal brain/life.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Repertoire89]
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I think he just picked the wrong word... although it seems obvious that schizophrenia encompasses a variety of behavioral experiences. I remember reading that the schizo in the tribal setting might end up being a religious icon of sorts. They might have even got used to it and felt some pride in their position. All things considered I'd guess they would rather be somewhere closer to normal. Don't people generally look for the positive in the things they feel powerless to change?
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Rahz]
#18987008 - 10/16/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rahz said: There's no way to rule out the OPs assertion (final statement). It's an interesting idea.
It's very interesting, although I don't agree with the sentiment of it. It seems to me that creativity and mental illness are the same thing, only the latter is too much.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: viktor]
#18987056 - 10/16/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I did sort of pick the wrong word. The emphasis was to state more of a position on schizophrenia. Some people think of it as a kind of 'shamanic illness' with something redeeming about it. I kind of angrily refuse to believe that.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: viktor]
#18987060 - 10/16/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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viktor said: It seems to me that creativity and mental illness are the same thing, only the latter is too much.
Mental illness? That certainly fits the picture for Beethoven or Mozart
Personally I view creativity as stemming from particularly intelligent / autonomous minds which could well include the mentally ill. It used to be common practice for blind children to be made musicians as they couldn't find much work otherwise
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
#18987186 - 10/16/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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circastes said: I did sort of pick the wrong word. The emphasis was to state more of a position on schizophrenia. Some people think of it as a kind of 'shamanic illness' with something redeeming about it. I kind of angrily refuse to believe that.
I think it's about time you realized that everyone experiences things differently.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
#18987662 - 10/16/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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And everyone reads things differently. Simpler language is more efficient and encompasses a wider scope of social possibilities. Seems like often we are trying to play roles that we are not, and that creates barriers and complexities that make us wonder why we ever behave that way
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Hobozen]
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Withinity]
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Some people think of it as a kind of 'shamanic illness' with something redeeming about it.
Its because these questionable people believe that they are in fact dealing with a living functioning spirit world that interacts with mankind. The shaman has been the medium. And after the 'crisis' the renewal phase IS redeeming. Its what it is. A sort of reordering. An initiation into a new mode of being in the world.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Withinity]
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It's totally different. When I was in the mental asylum I shared a hallway with a woman who had the brain cognition of a 5 year old. There was a big difference between me and her. I was able to rationalize and make sense of my experience while she would just moan in agony and walk around naked repeating strange phrases.
I feared that I was no different than her, but.. As out of reality as I was, my brain was functioning fine while she seemed to by suffering from a stilted mind.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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I didn't have a choice...
Unless something else was contributing, a minor brain injury perhaps (concentration, motivation), something which has also recently healed or neuroplasticized
But I doubt it because my brother has no such injury and he is just like I was.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
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if you're legitimately doing better. Good on ya and glad to hear it.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Repertoire89]
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viktor said: It seems to me that creativity and mental illness are the same thing, only the latter is too much.
Mental illness? That certainly fits the picture for Beethoven or Mozart
Just thought I'd add that I meant this as stated, both those guys were nutcases. Occurred to me that certain readers may not know the details of their lives... but yeah
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
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But I doubt it because my brother has no such injury and he is just like I was.
In a black hole of retarded cognition with poor concentration and motivation?
What was your solution?
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Interesting and relevant video.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
#18996526 - 10/18/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is the part no one believes.
I've been having dreams where my brain tingles and experiences a deep pressure. I wake up and I can still feel the aftermath of the experience, which is to say, it's not just a dream... it's some kind of half-dream, half-reality where the body is instructing itself how to heal an advanced problem with its integrity.
Every time it happens I wake up and I'm more capable, have more arousal, think better, and most importantly feel better.
It sometimes happens during the day; I get tingles and rushes and feel better afterwards, and it happened quite intensely on mushrooms - I closed my eyes and rested and got this strange feeling all over my skull. My ears burned a little too. After that I felt quite normal and was surprised. Slowly but surely things moved slightly back to a fragmented state, but not all the way, by no means. I am much better, permanently, and have spent almost whole days in bed trying to enact this process manually with some success.
We are made of information, not matter. Somewhere there is the information required to fill in the blanks left by disease and injury. I don't know where. I wager reality is completely strange. But somehow I am able to have the intention of healing and something is responding...
So no, you do not recover from schizophrenia, correct, you do not recover from minor head injuries either, but here I am recovering from both through some kind of body-intelligence-induced reconstruction effort that may be a kind of breakthrough.
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#18996575 - 10/18/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Time will tell.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
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Interesting video man, thanks for sharing that! 
circastes, I have no idea what your situation is. You can recover from the symptoms of Schizophrenia... but that means you never really had it in the first place. There are many conditions where people have similar symptoms. But schizophrenia is a lifelong thing. I'm not saying it's horrible. Like that Ted Talks video, people can find ways to make it work out for themselves. But you can recover from minor head injuries. Even traumatic brain injuries can be completely recoverable. I could find the similarity in that someone with a specific TBI might not know if they could recover. Or someone with Schizo symptoms not knowing if they can recover. In both cases health professionals might doubt recovery is possible. But it IS possible to recover from TBI, and it's possible someone is misdiagnosed as schizophrenic.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
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circastes said: This is the part no one believes.
I've been having dreams where my brain tingles and experiences a deep pressure. I wake up and I can still feel the aftermath of the experience, which is to say, it's not just a dream... it's some kind of half-dream, half-reality where the body is instructing itself how to heal an advanced problem with its integrity.
Every time it happens I wake up and I'm more capable, have more arousal, think better, and most importantly feel better.
It sometimes happens during the day; I get tingles and rushes and feel better afterwards, and it happened quite intensely on mushrooms - I closed my eyes and rested and got this strange feeling all over my skull. My ears burned a little too. After that I felt quite normal and was surprised. Slowly but surely things moved slightly back to a fragmented state, but not all the way, by no means. I am much better, permanently, and have spent almost whole days in bed trying to enact this process manually with some success.
We are made of information, not matter. Somewhere there is the information required to fill in the blanks left by disease and injury. I don't know where. I wager reality is completely strange. But somehow I am able to have the intention of healing and something is responding...
So no, you do not recover from schizophrenia, correct, you do not recover from minor head injuries either, but here I am recovering from both through some kind of body-intelligence-induced reconstruction effort that may be a kind of breakthrough.
Have you thought of using Ayahuasca (Chacruna + Caapi) once every 1-2 weeks to help gain control over the direction of where this is going? Could be an interesting experiment.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
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What is your drug history like?
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Hobozen]
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circastes said: This is the part no one believes.
I've been having dreams where my brain tingles and experiences a deep pressure. I wake up and I can still feel the aftermath of the experience, which is to say, it's not just a dream... it's some kind of half-dream, half-reality where the body is instructing itself how to heal an advanced problem with its integrity.
Every time it happens I wake up and I'm more capable, have more arousal, think better, and most importantly feel better.
It sometimes happens during the day; I get tingles and rushes and feel better afterwards, and it happened quite intensely on mushrooms - I closed my eyes and rested and got this strange feeling all over my skull. My ears burned a little too. After that I felt quite normal and was surprised. Slowly but surely things moved slightly back to a fragmented state, but not all the way, by no means. I am much better, permanently, and have spent almost whole days in bed trying to enact this process manually with some success.
We are made of information, not matter. Somewhere there is the information required to fill in the blanks left by disease and injury. I don't know where. I wager reality is completely strange. But somehow I am able to have the intention of healing and something is responding...
So no, you do not recover from schizophrenia, correct, you do not recover from minor head injuries either, but here I am recovering from both through some kind of body-intelligence-induced reconstruction effort that may be a kind of breakthrough.
Have you thought of using Ayahuasca (Chacruna + Caapi) once every 1-2 weeks to help gain control over the direction of where this is going? Could be an interesting experiment.
That's some advice I'd think hard about before taking. (or giving)
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
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I'm all in. The only thing I'd add would be to start with low dosages and slowly work it up.
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I would say it depends on how severe the condition is. I believe that the brain becomes more damaged with every psychotic episode, with reduced chance of full recovery each time. The only positives to come from my personal experiences with psychoses, is the lesson of the benefit of living healthily. That and some inspiration for creative stuff.
I am aware that Terence Mckenna talked about "schizophrenic or shamanic". He is correct in saying that the definition for schizophrenia is broad. However I firmly believe that it is a mental illness and must be treated from a grounded, realistic, medicinal perspective. To say that schizophrenia is simply a different way of thinking due to a person's individual set of values is merely beating around the bush.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
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So no, you do not recover from schizophrenia, correct, you do not recover from minor head injuries either, but here I am recovering from both through some kind of body-intelligence-induced reconstruction effort that may be a kind of breakthrough.
Both?? For sure??
I can't believe you reject the idea of 'shamanic illness' in light of what you experiencing...!!
'Body-intelligence-induced reconstruction effort' sounds like the renewal phase of the rebirth!
Imagine if by going through this process you were keyed into the ways in which this could happen for another person...?? That is the role of the shaman. You have arrived here by what you call schizophrenia or an 'illness.'
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: FishOilTheKid]
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I just posted this in another thread:
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Mind co-creates reality. That's as far as I would go. Something is kind of out there, but it doesn't come into being without a mind; "in order to undergo the formality of existing reality must be apprehended by a mind" - McKenna.
Very clear to me these days.
The only real problem we face is brain disease, which I think a lot of shroomerites are familiar with ie. schizophrenia, but this can be contained and possibly healed if you only free your mind from the constraints you have put on it. Our culture wouldn't even dream of us being gods or incarnations of the Divinity, but this is just what we are.
So if you're part of the culture or matrix of modern Western society, your mind will disallow the prospect of ever healing to a significant degree any brain disorder. But if you contain yourself in your own experimental but safe and sound reality, things start to seem far more realistic, things like healing chronic or lifelong diseases in one's own organism.
I think another way to look at it is, you are a profound being, divine even, being part of God, and "you matter, you count" (McKenna), and as such you are eternal, and eternity is not eternity if there are traps, traps into time-based states of body and mind. That is, you can always get out of your predicament, because you are part of something greater, something that matters. The universe is interested in you. So it will allow, if only you will allow, culturally-defined-as-impossible things to occur.
So hopefully that expands on my very fringe knowledge/theory there.
My drug history is approx.:
- 40 MDMA/mixed pills. (before diagnosis)
- Probably about 30-40 cones, none of which were pleasurable but were very, very expansive of my thinking (which is why I would occasionally try again), in a good way, then later in a bad way, most notably as chronic persecutory delusions and panic attacks. (before diagnosis)
- Amanita muscaria 2-3 times. (before diagnosis)
- About 10 2g or less mushroom trips. (before diagnosis)
- About 5 2g or more mushroom trips, which were clearly suppressed in varying degrees by antipsychotics (5HT2a antagonists). (after diagnosis)
- Ice on about three occasions, which were clearly quite strongly suppressed by antipsychotics (also dopamine antagonists). The antipsychotics take everything out of the picture, leaving in high doses a clearer head for a few hours, sleeplessness, but no hangover, but then the mood lift is minimal. (after diagnosis)
This is really something but I'm not screaming and shouting about it because I think it's already broken through into intelligentsia circles. I remember in the ER once there were two nurses who clearly were LSD users, and you could see a kind of reflection of the universe in their eyes. Very meaningful, profound, with a hint of futuristic horizons, in their eyes.
Many people especially college kids in medicine or pharmacy are in touch with the imaginary or co-creating consciousness we are the title holders of, because they have turned on the brain to these higher perspectives by taking these substances and having the intelligence or readiness to let the drug expand their brain's processes.
I wouldn't be surprised if they too had found themselves getting, at the least, extremely healthier, which then effectively manifests as a kind of age-reversal, or holds the organism in its prime adult state.
Otherwise, if this is some kind of dream-like construct, then if I'm doing it, not only can you do it but you may be doing it anyway. That is, there may be some field of influence to everything someone does, and if someone starts getting younger (for God's sake) then surely the local environment begins to decrease its entropy too.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
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Anyone in medicine or pharmacy is in touch with the imaginary or co-creating consciousness we are the title holders of, because they have turned on the brain to these higher perspectives.
I wouldn't be surprised if they too had found themselves getting, at the least, extremely healthier, which then effectively manifests as a kind of age-reversal, or holds the organism in its prime adult state.
Sounds like either delusional or wishful thinking mixed with a touch of DA.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
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I have my delusions but I know these aren't those.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
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How do you know? Can you provide any evidence for them?
My guess is that you don't know at all.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
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Well I can feel it happening to my body, I can observe some correlation between my cognitive state and the state of the weather (specifically) around me.
If it's all delusion then holy fuck, call the CAT team LOL. I am deep in it.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
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circastes said: Well I can feel it happening to my body, I can observe some correlation between my cognitive state and the state of the weather (specifically) around me.
If it's all delusion then holy fuck, call the CAT team LOL. I am deep in it.
It's delusion all right. You aren't going to live forever in a never aging body (only Deepak gets to do that ) and the medicals aren't realized beings. Nor do you control the weather. You've gone on about this nonsense before but nary a shred of evidence is there anywhere in the world. Yet you know it's true. Is that some delusional DA or what? It's from posts like these that I conclude your condition is pretty serious. However you seem to not be suffering too much so delude away but I'll always be here to rain on your parade.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
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I've known kids who were in the Brilliant IQ range, with straight 'A' averages, who were delusional schizophrenics. They could spin brilliant delusional scenarios which often got them in trouble with the law. One girl stalked a female teacher for 3 weeks after school, watching her routine, then, ran up and dove into the open door of her car. It took 5 cops to subdue her. She explained to me how this teacher was her 'real' mom, and that her parents had kidnapped her as a young child. This teacher was a slender African-American, with long, straight black hair and high cheekbones (striking!) that she inherited from American Indian ancestors. The girl apparently developed some kind of crush and built a delusional system around it.
Meanwhile, advanced cases of schizophrenia certainly do result in severe cognitive degeneration at times, and the medications probably further exacerbate the mind-numbing effects. BUT, those who are Mentally Handicapped because they suffer from Down's Syndrome, or from other causes, and who are on a range of deficiency are not psychotic. Fortunately, labels like Idiot, Imbecile, and Moron are relegated to old Three Stooges films. I have met some very big-hearted Down's Syndrome people who clearly realize that they are not normal intellectually, but all the more reason to treat them with respect and kindness. These conditions can overlap, but the causes of intellectual deficits are different.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
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A schizo perceives the world in a way that might be viewed by others as being a bit backward, and that backward approach to how you receive impressions from external stimuli may indeed prove that its harder for you to "get it". Now I wouldn't necessarily conclude that because you are viewing the world outside of yourself that the term "schizo" is the most appropriate word for your actions.
The thing I think is essential to mention is the fact that most of modern medicine is a complete and utter scam. The notion that you have these pre existing conditions, which, incidentally are also increasing at a rapid rate(who'd have thought right?), since, indeed, everytime you check they have invented a new disease and we all fall into the category of having some of the symptoms. I think we need to realize that everything is a disease, just being human in itself is a plague.
Also the term "retard" is something that we all belong to in some ways, how are we all not delaying, what is there that we "need" to do? When we find ourselves postponing something which has no need to attended to at this very minute, we see that its nice to just "sit back" and relax. I've completely quit my job and everyone I know has decided to leave also, who wishes to return to work when there is so much "game play" out there?
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Johnny Depp]
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Can you prove that statement wrong? There is only so many places you may occupy your mind so, evidently the "range" of thought will always be limited thus concluding that we are all "slow to get it". We all have a little "retard" in us there is nothing to rebel against.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: drkkenny]
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without mind retarders, infinity make this place a living hellhole
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