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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Withinity]
    #18988634 - 10/16/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
    #18988638 - 10/16/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup: if you're legitimately doing better. Good on ya and glad to hear it.


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18988639 - 10/16/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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viktor said:
It seems to me that creativity and mental illness are the same thing, only the latter is too much.




Mental illness? That certainly fits the picture for Beethoven or Mozart




Just thought I'd add that I meant this as stated, both those guys were nutcases. Occurred to me that certain readers may not know the details of their lives... but yeah


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
    #18988699 - 10/16/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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But I doubt it because my brother has no such injury and he is just like I was.




In a black hole of retarded cognition with poor concentration and motivation?

What was your solution?


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes] * 1
    #18996334 - 10/18/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting and relevant video.



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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18996482 - 10/18/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

BINGO! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
    #18996526 - 10/18/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This is the part no one believes.

I've been having dreams where my brain tingles and experiences a deep pressure. I wake up and I can still feel the aftermath of the experience, which is to say, it's not just a dream... it's some kind of half-dream, half-reality where the body is instructing itself how to heal an advanced problem with its integrity.

Every time it happens I wake up and I'm more capable, have more arousal, think better, and most importantly feel better.

It sometimes happens during the day; I get tingles and rushes and feel better afterwards, and it happened quite intensely on mushrooms - I closed my eyes and rested and got this strange feeling all over my skull. My ears burned a little too. After that I felt quite normal and was surprised. Slowly but surely things moved slightly back to a fragmented state, but not all the way, by no means. I am much better, permanently, and have spent almost whole days in bed trying to enact this process manually with some success.

We are made of information, not matter. Somewhere there is the information required to fill in the blanks left by disease and injury. I don't know where. I wager reality is completely strange. But somehow I am able to have the intention of healing and something is responding...

So no, you do not recover from schizophrenia, correct, you do not recover from minor head injuries either, but here I am recovering from both through some kind of body-intelligence-induced reconstruction effort that may be a kind of breakthrough.


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
    #18996575 - 10/18/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Time will tell.


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
    #18996734 - 10/18/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting video man, thanks for sharing that! :thumbup:

circastes, I have no idea what your situation is.  You can recover from the symptoms of Schizophrenia... but that means you never really had it in the first place.  There are many conditions where people have similar symptoms.  But schizophrenia is a lifelong thing.  I'm not saying it's horrible.  Like that Ted Talks video, people can find ways to make it work out for themselves.  But you can recover from minor head injuries.  Even traumatic brain injuries can be completely recoverable.  I could find the similarity in that someone with a specific TBI might not know if they could recover.  Or someone with Schizo symptoms not knowing if they can recover.  In both cases health professionals might doubt recovery is possible.  But it IS possible to recover from TBI, and it's possible someone is misdiagnosed as schizophrenic.


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
    #18996792 - 10/18/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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This is the part no one believes.

I've been having dreams where my brain tingles and experiences a deep pressure. I wake up and I can still feel the aftermath of the experience, which is to say, it's not just a dream... it's some kind of half-dream, half-reality where the body is instructing itself how to heal an advanced problem with its integrity.

Every time it happens I wake up and I'm more capable, have more arousal, think better, and most importantly feel better.

It sometimes happens during the day; I get tingles and rushes and feel better afterwards, and it happened quite intensely on mushrooms - I closed my eyes and rested and got this strange feeling all over my skull. My ears burned a little too. After that I felt quite normal and was surprised. Slowly but surely things moved slightly back to a fragmented state, but not all the way, by no means. I am much better, permanently, and have spent almost whole days in bed trying to enact this process manually with some success.

We are made of information, not matter. Somewhere there is the information required to fill in the blanks left by disease and injury. I don't know where. I wager reality is completely strange. But somehow I am able to have the intention of healing and something is responding...

So no, you do not recover from schizophrenia, correct, you do not recover from minor head injuries either, but here I am recovering from both through some kind of body-intelligence-induced reconstruction effort that may be a kind of breakthrough.




Have you thought of using Ayahuasca (Chacruna + Caapi) once every 1-2 weeks to help gain control over the direction of where this is going?  Could be an interesting experiment.


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
    #18996833 - 10/18/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What is your drug history like?


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Hobozen]
    #18996921 - 10/18/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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blankk said:
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circastes said:
This is the part no one believes.

I've been having dreams where my brain tingles and experiences a deep pressure. I wake up and I can still feel the aftermath of the experience, which is to say, it's not just a dream... it's some kind of half-dream, half-reality where the body is instructing itself how to heal an advanced problem with its integrity.

Every time it happens I wake up and I'm more capable, have more arousal, think better, and most importantly feel better.

It sometimes happens during the day; I get tingles and rushes and feel better afterwards, and it happened quite intensely on mushrooms - I closed my eyes and rested and got this strange feeling all over my skull. My ears burned a little too. After that I felt quite normal and was surprised. Slowly but surely things moved slightly back to a fragmented state, but not all the way, by no means. I am much better, permanently, and have spent almost whole days in bed trying to enact this process manually with some success.

We are made of information, not matter. Somewhere there is the information required to fill in the blanks left by disease and injury. I don't know where. I wager reality is completely strange. But somehow I am able to have the intention of healing and something is responding...

So no, you do not recover from schizophrenia, correct, you do not recover from minor head injuries either, but here I am recovering from both through some kind of body-intelligence-induced reconstruction effort that may be a kind of breakthrough.




Have you thought of using Ayahuasca (Chacruna + Caapi) once every 1-2 weeks to help gain control over the direction of where this is going?  Could be an interesting experiment.





That's some advice I'd think hard about before taking. (or giving)


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
    #18996968 - 10/18/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm all in.  The only thing I'd add would be to start with low dosages and slowly work it up.


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
    #18997145 - 10/18/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #18998556 - 10/19/13 05:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would say it depends on how severe the condition is. I believe that the brain becomes more damaged with every psychotic episode, with reduced chance of full recovery each time. The only positives to come from my personal experiences with psychoses, is the lesson of the benefit of living healthily. That and some inspiration for creative stuff.

I am aware that Terence Mckenna talked about "schizophrenic or shamanic". He is correct in saying that the definition for schizophrenia is broad. However I firmly believe that it is a mental illness and must be treated from a grounded, realistic, medicinal perspective. To say that schizophrenia is simply a different way of thinking due to a person's individual set of values is merely beating around the bush.


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
    #18999518 - 10/19/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So no, you do not recover from schizophrenia, correct, you do not recover from minor head injuries either, but here I am recovering from both through some kind of body-intelligence-induced reconstruction effort that may be a kind of breakthrough.




Both??  For sure??

I can't believe you reject the idea of 'shamanic illness' in light of what you experiencing...!!

'Body-intelligence-induced reconstruction effort' sounds like the renewal phase of the rebirth!

Imagine if by going through this process you were keyed into the ways in which this could happen for another person...??  That is the role of the shaman.  You have arrived here by what you call schizophrenia or an 'illness.'

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I believe that the human race has developed a form of collective schizophrenia in which we are not only the slaves to this imposed thought behavior, but we are also the police force of it.

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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #19005328 - 10/20/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just posted this in another thread:

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Mind co-creates reality. That's as far as I would go. Something is kind of out there, but it doesn't come into being without a mind; "in order to undergo the formality of existing reality must be apprehended by a mind" - McKenna.

Very clear to me these days.

The only real problem we face is brain disease, which I think a lot of shroomerites are familiar with ie. schizophrenia, but this can be contained and possibly healed if you only free your mind from the constraints you have put on it. Our culture wouldn't even dream of us being gods or incarnations of the Divinity, but this is just what we are.

So if you're part of the culture or matrix of modern Western society, your mind will disallow the prospect of ever healing to a significant degree any brain disorder. But if you contain yourself in your own experimental but safe and sound reality, things start to seem far more realistic, things like healing chronic or lifelong diseases in one's own organism.

I think another way to look at it is, you are a profound being, divine even, being part of God, and "you matter, you count" (McKenna), and as such you are eternal, and eternity is not eternity if there are traps, traps into time-based states of body and mind. That is, you can always get out of your predicament, because you are part of something greater, something that matters. The universe is interested in you. So it will allow, if only you will allow, culturally-defined-as-impossible things to occur.





So hopefully that expands on my very fringe knowledge/theory there.

My drug history is approx.:

  • 40 MDMA/mixed pills. (before diagnosis)
  • Probably about 30-40 cones, none of which were pleasurable but were very, very expansive of my thinking (which is why I would occasionally try again), in a good way, then later in a bad way, most notably as chronic persecutory delusions and panic attacks. (before diagnosis)
  • Amanita muscaria 2-3 times. (before diagnosis)
  • About 10 2g or less mushroom trips. (before diagnosis)
  • About 5 2g or more mushroom trips, which were clearly suppressed in varying degrees by antipsychotics (5HT2a antagonists). (after diagnosis)
  • Ice on about three occasions, which were clearly quite strongly suppressed by antipsychotics (also dopamine antagonists). The antipsychotics take everything out of the picture, leaving in high doses a clearer head for a few hours, sleeplessness, but no hangover, but then the mood lift is minimal. (after diagnosis)


This is really something but I'm not screaming and shouting about it because I think it's already broken through into intelligentsia circles. I remember in the ER once there were two nurses who clearly were LSD users, and you could see a kind of reflection of the universe in their eyes. Very meaningful, profound, with a hint of futuristic horizons, in their eyes.

Many people especially college kids in medicine or pharmacy are in touch with the imaginary or co-creating consciousness we are the title holders of, because they have turned on the brain to these higher perspectives by taking these substances and having the intelligence or readiness to let the drug expand their brain's processes.

I wouldn't be surprised if they too had found themselves getting, at the least, extremely healthier, which then effectively manifests as a kind of age-reversal, or holds the organism in its prime adult state.

Otherwise, if this is some kind of dream-like construct, then if I'm doing it, not only can you do it but you may be doing it anyway. That is, there may be some field of influence to everything someone does, and if someone starts getting younger (for God's sake) then surely the local environment begins to decrease its entropy too.


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
    #19005353 - 10/20/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone in medicine or pharmacy is in touch with the imaginary or co-creating consciousness we are the title holders of, because they have turned on the brain to these higher perspectives.

I wouldn't be surprised if they too had found themselves getting, at the least, extremely healthier, which then effectively manifests as a kind of age-reversal, or holds the organism in its prime adult state.



Sounds like either delusional or wishful thinking mixed with a touch of DA.


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
    #19005373 - 10/20/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have my delusions but I know these aren't those.


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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
    #19005385 - 10/20/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How do you know?  Can you provide any evidence for them?

My guess is that you don't know at all.


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