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Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong
#18983501 - 10/15/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some people on here have some nice things to say about schizophrenia. Coming out of 7 years of it, I can safely say I just climbed out of a black hole, and the analogy is fitting because no real events occurred, just a slow, steady frozen frame of mental fragmentation, where I tried to be part of life but merely imitated a strange human with no real self-awareness that might have given me the hint it just wasn't going to work. The only thing that seemed to happen was that occasionally I would become extremely paranoid, but the fear was suppressed by the fact that I already felt like shit anyway.
Higher perspective on possibilities in reality? No way. Higher consciousness, intuitive powers, different level... no no no.
I'm quite upset that I ever went through this and I'd just like to challenge anyone who thinks schizophrenia has positive aspects. It's basically a chronic form of a trainwreck or trip disaster.
I wager people who get something out of schizophrenia are extremely creative or something and could have made up the same thing with a normal brain/life.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
#18984119 - 10/15/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Define "retardation".
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
#18984269 - 10/16/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Rahz]
#18984591 - 10/16/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
#18985050 - 10/16/13 07:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then imo it's vastly different.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
#18986281 - 10/16/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
#18986489 - 10/16/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I suspect that schizophrenia works on a similar spectrum to autism.
Which means that any individual schizophrenic couldn't meaningfully generalise about how other people found the condition.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: viktor]
#18986648 - 10/16/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's no way to rule out the OPs assertion (final statement). It's an interesting idea.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
#18986773 - 10/16/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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circastes said: Some people on here have some nice things to say about schizophrenia. Coming out of 7 years of it, I can safely say I just climbed out of a black hole, and the analogy is fitting because no real events occurred, just a slow, steady frozen frame of mental fragmentation, where I tried to be part of life but merely imitated a strange human with no real self-awareness that might have given me the hint it just wasn't going to work. The only thing that seemed to happen was that occasionally I would become extremely paranoid, but the fear was suppressed by the fact that I already felt like shit anyway.
Higher perspective on possibilities in reality? No way. Higher consciousness, intuitive powers, different level... no no no.
I'm quite upset that I ever went through this and I'd just like to challenge anyone who thinks schizophrenia has positive aspects. It's basically a chronic form of a trainwreck or trip disaster.
The medical term used for schizophrenia was once "dementia praecox" = premature dementia.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes] 4
#18986915 - 10/16/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Retardation and schizophrenia are two different conditions Someone suffering from schizophrenia may well be highly intelligent and educated, a retard is a potato head.
Could a retard write the below quote?
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Some people on here have some nice things to say about schizophrenia. Coming out of 7 years of it, I can safely say I just climbed out of a black hole, and the analogy is fitting because no real events occurred, just a slow, steady frozen frame of mental fragmentation, where I tried to be part of life but merely imitated a strange human with no real self-awareness that might have given me the hint it just wasn't going to work. The only thing that seemed to happen was that occasionally I would become extremely paranoid, but the fear was suppressed by the fact that I already felt like shit anyway.
Higher perspective on possibilities in reality? No way. Higher consciousness, intuitive powers, different level... no no no.
I'm quite upset that I ever went through this and I'd just like to challenge anyone who thinks schizophrenia has positive aspects. It's basically a chronic form of a trainwreck or trip disaster.
I wager people who get something out of schizophrenia are extremely creative or something and could have made up the same thing with a normal brain/life.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Repertoire89]
#18986953 - 10/16/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think he just picked the wrong word... although it seems obvious that schizophrenia encompasses a variety of behavioral experiences. I remember reading that the schizo in the tribal setting might end up being a religious icon of sorts. They might have even got used to it and felt some pride in their position. All things considered I'd guess they would rather be somewhere closer to normal. Don't people generally look for the positive in the things they feel powerless to change?
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Rahz]
#18987008 - 10/16/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rahz said: There's no way to rule out the OPs assertion (final statement). It's an interesting idea.
It's very interesting, although I don't agree with the sentiment of it. It seems to me that creativity and mental illness are the same thing, only the latter is too much.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: viktor]
#18987056 - 10/16/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I did sort of pick the wrong word. The emphasis was to state more of a position on schizophrenia. Some people think of it as a kind of 'shamanic illness' with something redeeming about it. I kind of angrily refuse to believe that.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: viktor]
#18987060 - 10/16/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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viktor said: It seems to me that creativity and mental illness are the same thing, only the latter is too much.
Mental illness? That certainly fits the picture for Beethoven or Mozart
Personally I view creativity as stemming from particularly intelligent / autonomous minds which could well include the mentally ill. It used to be common practice for blind children to be made musicians as they couldn't find much work otherwise
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: circastes]
#18987186 - 10/16/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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circastes said: I did sort of pick the wrong word. The emphasis was to state more of a position on schizophrenia. Some people think of it as a kind of 'shamanic illness' with something redeeming about it. I kind of angrily refuse to believe that.
I think it's about time you realized that everyone experiences things differently.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Icelander]
#18987662 - 10/16/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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And everyone reads things differently. Simpler language is more efficient and encompasses a wider scope of social possibilities. Seems like often we are trying to play roles that we are not, and that creates barriers and complexities that make us wonder why we ever behave that way
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Hobozen]
#18988419 - 10/16/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Laymen terms for the win.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Withinity]
#18988549 - 10/16/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some people think of it as a kind of 'shamanic illness' with something redeeming about it.
Its because these questionable people believe that they are in fact dealing with a living functioning spirit world that interacts with mankind. The shaman has been the medium. And after the 'crisis' the renewal phase IS redeeming. Its what it is. A sort of reordering. An initiation into a new mode of being in the world.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: Withinity]
#18988564 - 10/16/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's totally different. When I was in the mental asylum I shared a hallway with a woman who had the brain cognition of a 5 year old. There was a big difference between me and her. I was able to rationalize and make sense of my experience while she would just moan in agony and walk around naked repeating strange phrases.
I feared that I was no different than her, but.. As out of reality as I was, my brain was functioning fine while she seemed to by suffering from a stilted mind.
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Re: Schizophrenic cognition isn't much different from retardation, prove me wrong [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#18988621 - 10/16/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't have a choice...
Unless something else was contributing, a minor brain injury perhaps (concentration, motivation), something which has also recently healed or neuroplasticized
But I doubt it because my brother has no such injury and he is just like I was.
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