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Re: monogamy [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #18995842 - 10/18/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
What helps you sleep at night is not rousing your insecure jealousy

:themoreyouknow:




are you shitting me? im insecure and jealous because i sleep better knowing my partner and I are in a monogamous relationship?:rolleyes:
please, whats with you people playing the same card over and over regarding the subject; "your insecure and jealous." Not at fucking all, its just not necessary. maybe we treasure our relationship a whole lot more then you, something you might not be able to comprehend, maybe there simply is No room for another in our eyes. Maybe im just Not interested in another to begin with because the one i would be interested in the most is already here. i like my mornings with her, as well as the evenings, i like falling asleep. every day on repeat, and it does not get old.


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Re: monogamy [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #18995847 - 10/18/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Anon #3

I'm not ragging on polygamy or polyamory, by all means people should do what they want.  I'm just saying it's not a strict biological imperative to spread your seed as far as can be (thus acting as a biological validation of polyamory or polygamy).  I don't care that someone fucks ten wives or ten husbands I just don't want to see people justify it with "it's biology!".  Spread with care, if at all (but overpopulation is a different discussion). 

I'm a fan of allowing people to do the shit they want to do, but fumbling over obnoxious justifications is annoying.  Just do what you want and live with it.

Just to clarify.


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Re: monogamy [Re: ClockCode]
    #18995944 - 10/18/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

im not justifying anything. i made an off hand statement that many partners makes sense from a biological standpoint. did you know the human penis is designed to remove semen already in the vagina (from other males) so yours has a better chance of taking? You also seem to have missed the part where i said i myself do not personally desire a polygamous relationship. Heres a fun fact, roughly 17% of the human population practice strict monogamous relationships :awethumb: the rest practice some sort of polygamy.


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Re: monogamy [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18996038 - 10/18/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
the concept of monogamy seems strange to me. neither person wants the other person to have sex with or form any sort of emotional connection with someone else, out of fear that said the partner would "leave" them.

it causes people to get jealous and fight, and often even claim ownership over other people. "That's my girl, dawg".

if you like multiple people deeply, why would you have to leave one for the other. why does society say we should only love one other person? why is it called "cheating", as if loving one another is some sort of game?

I think shutting off the flow of love to anybody is a bad idea. "Oh sorry, I only love _____. I'm not allowed to love or care about you too."

what do you think? I think that's the way it should be, everybody feeling embraced with open arms and being there for each other as one.

the other day our fellow shroomery member g00ru said something that I found potentially thought-provoking to the extent of saving it. tell me what you think
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g00ru said:
putting up walls around yourself is exactly the problem with modern society, creating an emotional ice age. it allows so many unfortunate things to go on unchecked :2cents:








What you described is a possessive, controlling and unhealthy type of co-dependency, not monogamy.

Monogamy certainly allows for each person to be an individual and have strong, deep emotional connections with others.


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Re: monogamy [Re: psyconaught]
    #18996291 - 10/18/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
im not justifying anything. i made an off hand statement that many partners makes sense from a biological standpoint. did you know the human penis is designed to remove semen already in the vagina (from other males) so yours has a better chance of taking? You also seem to have missed the part where i said i myself do not personally desire a polygamous relationship. Heres a fun fact, roughly 17% of the human population practice strict monogamous relationships :awethumb: the rest practice some sort of polygamy.



Do you have some sources to back up any of these claims?  Not saying they're necessarily false, but you're making some pretty wild claims without any evidence to back them up.


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Anonymous #4

Re: monogamy [Re: Bender B Rodriguez]
    #18996292 - 10/18/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Bender B Rodriguez said:
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Anonymous said:
the concept of monogamy seems strange to me. neither person wants the other person to have sex with or form any sort of emotional connection with someone else, out of fear that said the partner would "leave" them.

it causes people to get jealous and fight, and often even claim ownership over other people. "That's my girl, dawg".

if you like multiple people deeply, why would you have to leave one for the other. why does society say we should only love one other person? why is it called "cheating", as if loving one another is some sort of game?

I think shutting off the flow of love to anybody is a bad idea. "Oh sorry, I only love _____. I'm not allowed to love or care about you too."

what do you think? I think that's the way it should be, everybody feeling embraced with open arms and being there for each other as one.

the other day our fellow shroomery member g00ru said something that I found potentially thought-provoking to the extent of saving it. tell me what you think
Quote:

g00ru said:
putting up walls around yourself is exactly the problem with modern society, creating an emotional ice age. it allows so many unfortunate things to go on unchecked :2cents:








What you described is a possessive, controlling and unhealthy type of co-dependency, not monogamy.

Monogamy certainly allows for each person to be an individual and have strong, deep emotional connections with others.




I get jealous when my chika goes out to eat with other males, in a mono relationship :zoolander:


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Re: monogamy [Re: Anonymous #4] * 1
    #18996301 - 10/18/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Then it sounds like you're pretty insecure about your relationship and untrusting of your partner.


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Re: monogamy [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18996317 - 10/18/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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pwnasaurus said:
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psyconaught said:
im not justifying anything. i made an off hand statement that many partners makes sense from a biological standpoint. did you know the human penis is designed to remove semen already in the vagina (from other males) so yours has a better chance of taking? You also seem to have missed the part where i said i myself do not personally desire a polygamous relationship. Heres a fun fact, roughly 17% of the human population practice strict monogamous relationships :awethumb: the rest practice some sort of polygamy.



Do you have some sources to back up any of these claims?  Not saying they're necessarily false, but you're making some pretty wild claims without any evidence to back them up.




the article is fairly long so i'll post a pretty good summary from it
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Now, the irony doesn’t escape me. But in spite of the fact that this particular evolutionary psychologist (yours truly) is gay, for the purposes of research we must consider the evolution of the human penis in relation to the human vagina. Magnetic imaging studies of heterosexual couples having sex reveal that, during coitus, the typical penis completely expands and occupies the vaginal tract, and with full penetration can even reach the woman’s cervix and lift her uterus. This combined with the fact that human ejaculate is expelled with great force and considerable distance (up to two feet if not contained), suggests that men are designed to release sperm into the uppermost portion of the vagina possible. Thus, in a theoretical paper published in the journal Evolutionary Psychology in 2004, Gallup and coauthor, Rebecca Burch, conjecture that, “A longer penis would not only have been an advantage for leaving semen in a less accessible part of the vagina, but by filling and expanding the vagina it also would aid and abet the displacement of semen left by other males as a means of maximizing the likelihood of paternity.”



the last few sentences are the most important to what i was saying, and heres the source
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=secrets-of-the-phallus


in regards to monogamy:
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“The human mating system is extremely flexible,” Bernard Chapais of the University of Montreal wrote in a recent review in Evolutionary Anthropology. Only 17 percent of human cultures are strictly monogamous. The vast majority of human societies embrace a mix of marriage types, with some people practicing monogamy and others polygamy. (Most people in these cultures are in monogamous marriages, though.)



and the source
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/science/monogamys-boost-to-human-evolution.html


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Re: monogamy [Re: psyconaught]
    #18996384 - 10/18/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
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Now“A longer penis would not only have been an advantage for leaving semen in a less accessible part of the vagina, but by filling and expanding the vagina it also would aid and abet the displacement of semen left by other males as a means of maximizing the likelihood of paternity.”



the last few sentences are the most important to what i was saying, and heres the source
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=secrets-of-the-phallus




This does not back your first claim up whatsoever:

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"the human penis is designed to remove semen already in the vagina"



What the article actually says is that a larger penis can help displace semen within the vagina.  There is no "design to remove semen" whatsoever.

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in regards to monogamy:
Quote:

“Only 17 percent of human cultures are strictly monogamous. The vast majority of human societies embrace a mix of marriage types, with some people practicing monogamy and others polygamy. (Most people in these cultures are in monogamous marriages, though.)



and the source
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/science/monogamys-boost-to-human-evolution.html



This also does not come even close to backing up your claim:
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roughly 17% of the human population practice strict monogamous relationships




The article states that 17% of human cultures (not 17% of the population) practice strict monogamy.  It also explicitly states that in the remaining 83% "most people ... are in monogamous marriages".

You wildly misinterpreted the articles to try and prove a point that does not exist.


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Re: monogamy [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18996393 - 10/18/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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pwnasaurus said:
Quote:

psyconaught said:
Quote:

Now“A longer penis would not only have been an advantage for leaving semen in a less accessible part of the vagina, but by filling and expanding the vagina it also would aid and abet the displacement of semen left by other males as a means of maximizing the likelihood of paternity.”



the last few sentences are the most important to what i was saying, and heres the source
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=secrets-of-the-phallus




This does not back your first claim up whatsoever:

Quote:


"the human penis is designed to remove semen already in the vagina"



What the article actually says is that a larger penis can help displace semen within the vagina.  There is no "design to remove semen" whatsoever.

Quote:


in regards to monogamy:
Quote:

“Only 17 percent of human cultures are strictly monogamous. The vast majority of human societies embrace a mix of marriage types, with some people practicing monogamy and others polygamy. (Most people in these cultures are in monogamous marriages, though.)



and the source
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/science/monogamys-boost-to-human-evolution.html



This also does not come even close to backing up your claim:
Quote:


roughly 17% of the human population practice strict monogamous relationships




The article states that 17% of human cultures (not 17% of the population) practice strict monogamy.  It also explicitly states that in the remaining 83% "most people ... are in monogamous marriages".

You wildly misinterpreted the articles to try and prove a point that does not exist.




:lol:


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Re: monogamy [Re: Yogi1]
    #18996409 - 10/18/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i'll admit the population vs culture may have been misinterpreted by me, but i assure you that was not intentional, thank you for pointing that out :billymaythumbup: but in regards to penis shape, my statement was
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the human penis is designed to remove semen already in the vagina (from other males) so yours has a better chance of taking



and the quote from the article was
Quote:

it also would aid and abet the displacement of semen left by other males as a means of maximizing the likelihood of paternity



thats nearly identical to what i said. you also have to read the entire article, before that paragraph it explains how the 'mushroom' like shape of the penis that creates a ridge larger than the circumference of the shaft is what creates this effect


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Re: monogamy [Re: psyconaught]
    #18996429 - 10/18/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Monogamy... yawn... monotony!!!


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Re: monogamy [Re: Yogi1]
    #18996973 - 10/18/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The book "Sex at Dawn" is great and argues that we did not evolve to be monogamous and that it's an entirely new idea that we've only projected backwards onto our ancestors.  If you're curious about the subject, I highly recommend it.


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Anonymous #3

Re: monogamy [Re: TheWiz]
    #18997669 - 10/18/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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TheWiz said:
The book "Sex at Dawn" is great and argues that we did not evolve to be monogamous and that it's an entirely new idea that we've only projected backwards onto our ancestors.  If you're curious about the subject, I highly recommend it.




Well, well, well he wants to get technical- we did not evolve for the purpose of using cell phones, and computers, or goingto school, or working, but yet here you are. monogamy is beautiful, i love the idea of it. i dont feel like partaking right now, but thats because im fine being single, i would be in a open relationship, but its best that person knows my romantic attraction to them is probably alot less then it would be for someone i wouldn't share. does that make me insecure? No i just would rather share something special with a beautiful person, and not something special with someone i don't have later plans with. i personally just dont see myself in a open relationship with someone im truly interested in, only a fuck buddy type of deal. i guess im shallow?

why be in a open relationship it sounds like a waste of time in my opinion, mine as well just be fuck buddies.


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Re: monogamy [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #18999129 - 10/19/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
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TheWiz said:

why be in a open relationship it sounds like a waste of time in my opinion, mine as well just be fuck buddies.




Yes.


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