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Re: Gnostic vs Orthodox Salvation [Re: Deviate]
    #18952849 - 10/09/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

God wanted to be represented by one man one earth for a while, because it would confuse people if they tried to conceive of a whole group of God-realized beings and they would not be able to see how God was one.

Sure if you want to negate/ignore the religious beliefs of much of the rest of the world. :imspecial:


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Re: Gnostic vs Orthodox Salvation [Re: Deviate]
    #18953098 - 10/09/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Typically, you, like every other adherent of religion, finds some way to justify your belief. Here, your theory, or more precisely, your hypothesis, which can never been proved, really does not permit of the scientific method. It is all intellectual scaffolding around a series of doctrines and dogmas that comprise Catholic Christianity. I will concede that Catholicism sometimes appears to be more catholic than Protestantism does in it's rigid Sola Fide way. Catholics form syncretisms with other faiths, even magickal-religious faiths like Vodun and Santeria. Yes, God is personified, but there are Neo-Platonic Christian theologians like Pseudo-Dionysus who spoke of the "Superessential Godhead" that transcended any attributes of God. People are personal, and most people take comfort in superego projections onto God - Big Daddy in the Sky. I have always sought to eliminate my own psychodynamics from the clear awareness of Presence. This requires an analytical temperament, which I have owing to my INTP typology (like Jung's) versus the Feeling types that are attracted to a devotional (Bhakti) spirituality. I am not trying to convince you of my path's superiority, it is superior for me owing to my typology. I am not a Feeling type, and I cannot enjoin strong devotional emotions. 'My God' is also tainted by the subjective pole of my particular temperament, and so it goes. In order to draw closer to That which transcends us, we must transcend our own biases. I ca be compassionate, but I was never the counselor to go to for 'warm fuzzies.' I listened, was often moved emotionally, but rather than cry with my young counselees, I maintained my emotional equipoise and acted decisively on their behalf. My vocation and my spiritual discipline were intertwined.

Jesus becomes a kind of narcissistic focal point if you look at Asian, Black, Caucasian Jesus images from around the world. Such art forms lend insight into what is occurring on personal and cultural levels of identification with Jesus. Everyone sees Jesus as a projection of their own idealized Self. I used to work for the Miami Catholic Archdiocese, evaluating whether young men in priest formation were truly fit to be priests. One in particular, left seminary to become a nurse instead, but as being a gay man (as all the young seminarians in my experience were), he explained his sexual attraction to Jesus, and that colored his projections of Jesus. People attribute all levels of extraneous elements to Jesus who is far more a symbol (symbols are living psychic realities, not dead images) than one man who lived two millennia ago. From J.S. Spong's astute observations and scholarly acumen, the entire New Testament simply co-opted the salvation themes from the Tenach, and allowed Gentile peoples to avail themselves of them without getting circumcised, changing their diets, or becoming part of the Jewish temple cultus. Personally, I may rely on pre-existing forms of prayer, like praying in Jesus' name, but not to Jesus. He was a man who died long ago. I do not believe in the transmogrified Resurrection body as described in the gospel myths as being literal, but that doesn't mean that I don't believe in some kind of Resurrection, only the Resurrection Body is more like the Pleroma (Fullness) of the Godhead itself, and the ultimate Realization 'That Thou Art.' Too many Psychic Christians imagine a personal immortality, an Elysian Field, an eternal church picnic with the family, not a non-corporeal Pleroma of Effulgent Love.


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Re: Gnostic vs Orthodox Salvation [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18954050 - 10/09/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Typically, you, like every other adherent of religion, finds some way to justify your belief




You state that as if it were negative. From my perspective doubt is one of the biggest enemies which one must defeat in order to reach Self-realization. One can either waste time entertaining doubts or one can progress on the path toward the ultimate realization. I choose the latter.

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I will concede that Catholicism sometimes appears to be more catholic than Protestantism does in it's rigid Sola Fide way. Catholics form syncretisms with other faiths, even magickal-religious faiths like Vodun and Santeria. Yes, God is personified, but there are Neo-Platonic Christian theologians like Pseudo-Dionysus who spoke of the "Superessential Godhead" that transcended any attributes of God. People are personal, and most people take comfort in superego projections onto God - Big Daddy in the Sky. I have always sought to eliminate my own psychodynamics from the clear awareness of Presence. This requires an analytical temperament, which I have owing to my INTP typology (like Jung's) versus the Feeling types that are attracted to a devotional (Bhakti) spirituality. I am not trying to convince you of my path's superiority, it is superior for me owing to my typology. I am not a Feeling type, and I cannot enjoin strong devotional emotions. 'My God' is also tainted by the subjective pole of my particular temperament, and so it goes. In order to draw closer to That which transcends us, we must transcend our own biases.




Exactly. I am actually an INTP just like you. I was originally only attracted to advaita vedanta and I had very deep spiritual realizations using Ramana Maharshi's who am I inquiry with no other spiritual practices, training or beliefs of any kind, other than marijuna use. Unfortunately I had a spiritual "accident" of sorts, don't know else to put it, some might say it was a kundalani problem. But it set me back seven or 8 years on the spiritual path and lowered me into a state of consciousness where I was unable to perform self inquiry. If your mind isn't clear enough to perform self-inquiry or other analytical types of meditation and if your heart is not fortified enough for surrender, then you have no other choice but to use one of the other methods such as bhakti or karma yoga. Believe me, I was not happy about it. I told you I thought, why should I have to go to church on sunday? I really didn't want to have anything to do with it. But after years of no progress, I realized that I was going to have to try something new. I re-studied Ramana Maharshi's teachings and I realized that he spoke almost as highly of bhakti as of self-inquiry, in fact more highly some of the time depending on the context and realized persons are all bhaktis because realization is love.

So I embarked on that path and I am pleased to say it has been a success. Going to church and singing hymns to the Lord and that kind of things are extremely powerful spiritual tools for the development of bhakti. It also adds great balance to any meditations which are aimed at pure awareness, because I found that it was possible to develop awareness without love. I think you yourself wrote in a post that light without love was luciferian. If you have a good bhakti practice, you will always have plenty of love in your heart and that is a beautiful thing.

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Jesus becomes a kind of narcissistic focal point if you look at Asian, Black, Caucasian Jesus images from around the world. Such art forms lend insight into what is occurring on personal and cultural levels of identification with Jesus. Everyone sees Jesus as a projection of their own idealized Self. I used to work for the Miami Catholic Archdiocese, evaluating whether young men in priest formation were truly fit to be priests. One in particular, left seminary to become a nurse instead, but as being a gay man (as all the young seminarians in my experience were), he explained his sexual attraction to Jesus, and that colored his projections of Jesus. People attribute all levels of extraneous elements to Jesus who is far more a symbol (symbols are living psychic realities, not dead images) than one man who lived two millennia ago.




Yes, that's the point. Jesus is a symbol.  Lewis points this out in the Screwtape letters by speaking about how any time people make an attempt to claim that the notion we've had of Jesus is all wrong and they have recontructed what Jesus was really like, he says you cant worship that. You cant worship some guy who lived a long time ago whom you only have some questionable and vague imformation about. So, we worship the symbol of Jesus, because as I explained Jesus is the image of God. It doesn't even make a difference whether he actually existed or not, all that matters is that you develop bhakti.

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From J.S. Spong's astute observations and scholarly acumen, the entire New Testament simply co-opted the salvation themes from the Tenach, and allowed Gentile peoples to avail themselves of them without getting circumcised, changing their diets, or becoming part of the Jewish temple cultus.




You bring this up because?

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Personally, I may rely on pre-existing forms of prayer, like praying in Jesus' name, but not to Jesus. He was a man who died long ago. I do not believe in the transmogrified Resurrection body as described in the gospel myths as being literal, but that doesn't mean that I don't believe in some kind of Resurrection, only the Resurrection Body is more like the Pleroma (Fullness) of the Godhead itself, and the ultimate Realization 'That Thou Art.'

What are you saying here? That no individuality is preserved beyond the physical body? If not, then what would be wrong with praying TO Jesus? Ramana Maharshi affirmed to devotees that they could pray to him both while he was embodied and afterwards. He maintained that he was not the body.


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Too many Psychic Christians imagine a personal immortality, an Elysian Field, an eternal church picnic with the family, not a non-corporeal Pleroma of Effulgent Love.




sometimes I get the feeling that you see yourself as superior to others. Especially, spiritually superior.

That's why what I have been trying to point out to you is that all these things you say in your posts are details. They are details which are interesting to those of us like you and me who are spiritual nerds. But the vast majority of the world does not know or care about these things.

That's why I can't help but look at churches as good, even heretical ones. Why? Because they are one of the few things in the world which reminds one of the path of self-realization. its very important to have something external reminding you of the path of virtue, because almost everything in our society is telling you to forget it. When I am driving, every time I pass by a church, even a protestant church, heck even a mormon church, I think of God. And that is a positive.


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Re: Gnostic vs Orthodox Salvation [Re: Icelander]
    #18954187 - 10/09/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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God wanted to be represented by one man one earth for a while, because it would confuse people if they tried to conceive of a whole group of God-realized beings and they would not be able to see how God was one.

Sure if you want to negate/ignore the religious beliefs of much of the rest of the world. :imspecial:




How am I negating the religious beliefs of much the world? This is a small detail. God does not care very much about small details like this. What he cares about is righteousness. He wants people to treat each other well, with the utmost kindness and compassion. As Jesus says, love for God and neighbor sums up the whole law and the prophets. It's that simple. All the rest is details. What I am saying is, why bicker over details? I feel like doing so only makes one to be spiritually superior. "I know more more about Jesus than those ignorant Christians over there". Good for you. Maybe you will get more saved than they do.


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Re: Gnostic vs Orthodox Salvation [Re: Deviate]
    #18954549 - 10/09/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Doubt is not an enemy. Uncritical belief in dogma is.

I used to enjoy C.S. Lewis. However, despite my need to balance my Feeling function, Bhakti would be a gross overcompensation for this INTP. I don't know if it is for you.

I mention Spong because one needs to keep in mind the relativity of all religions, and not absolutize them, although I think you're pretty liberal in this regard.

I think that you're projecting. I do not self-consciously cultivate an attitude of superiority, although when a guy doing something other than driving swerves over the yellow line and comes at me on the road (like a half hour ago), I do call him an asshole, and feel that my driving is superior to his. You'd have to be very specific about what sense of superiority you are referring to. I am all too aware of my shortcomings in business (I spoke with an entrepreneurial 28 year old acupuncturist this morning), and I have no academic career, so I know who the well-published giants are in the fields that I am interested in. I do not hand money out to every beggar on the streets around my home holding cardboard signs, and now that I'm retired, I don't contribute to the United Way through payroll deduction. In fact, I've stopped sending money to my pet charities like Save Tibet and MAPS, for which I feel somewhat guilty. So, I recognize my intellectual and ethical shortcomings here, but I could just as easily wax self-deprecating about my lack of social life, or even a lack of emotional expressiveness with my Lady, or my physical strength as compared to my mesomorphic firefighter friend. But what would be the point other than to counter your perception of me as seeing myself superior along these aspects.

Spiritually superior? Let's equate spirituality with being Awake, as opposed to being simply moral, pious, religious, submissive. I can only compare who I am now with who I was before. Comparing myself to anyone else is comparing apples to oranges. I cannot assume anyone else's perspective, but I can observe just how much someone's life differs from mine in terms of actions. The actions speak to the desires that motivate those actions. I know guys who hunt. Do I think that hunting for sport is reflective of a less spiritually Awake person? Yes. I know unethical, unscrupulous  individuals. Same thing. Do I judge them? Nor verbally, because I avoid these people. My avoidance is a judgement, it is true. I would help someone in need, but I don't seek such people out. Why would I? I'm not a preacher. I don't care to change them, I don't want anything from them, including the vibes they generate. I am avoided by some people because they perceive that I'm too squeaky-clean for them. Does it mean I'm spiritually superior if I don't want to hunt, lie, hang at a strip club with a guy (w/o taking my Lady), and maybe play wing-man because HE steps out on his wife? You decide. I've also been dismissed for being "too deep," even in spiritual matters! How can someone be too deep in spiritual matters? That usually means that that person does not want to look too closely at a doctrine, lest he analyze it away leaving a Void in its place, even though the Void is the Essence of the matter, NOT the shallow intellectual belief that could be analyzed away.

Hey, if you can blink the heinous history of the Roman Catholic Church and remain in its fold, simply be aware that you are blinking an enormously negative history, while you are enjoying its positive aspects. On this score, you and I inhabit opposite sides of the Yin-Yang. I see a dot of goodness in a field of evil, and you currently have the opposite view. The view is what Tim Freke calls "paralogical" in the last book of his that I read. I have been where you are, and now I am where I am, but I see that both views exist simultaneously, but we can only act on one view or the other, not both. Such is our dualistic predicament.


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Re: Gnostic vs Orthodox Salvation [Re: Deviate]
    #18954935 - 10/09/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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God wanted to be represented by one man one earth for a while, because it would confuse people if they tried to conceive of a whole group of God-realized beings and they would not be able to see how God was one.

Sure if you want to negate/ignore the religious beliefs of much of the rest of the world. :imspecial:




How am I negating the religious beliefs of much the world? This is a small detail. God does not care very much about small details like this. What he cares about is righteousness. He wants people to treat each other well, with the utmost kindness and compassion. As Jesus says, love for God and neighbor sums up the whole law and the prophets. It's that simple. All the rest is details. What I am saying is, why bicker over details? I feel like doing so only makes one to be spiritually superior. "I know more more about Jesus than those ignorant Christians over there". Good for you. Maybe you will get more saved than they do.





What you just said has nothing to  do with what I said about what you said.  Nice try though.


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Re: Gnostic vs Orthodox Salvation [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18954941 - 10/09/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Doubt is not an enemy. Uncritical belief in dogma is.

Bingo!:thumbup:

Many a holy war was fought due to that very thing.


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Re: Gnostic vs Orthodox Salvation [Re: Deviate]
    #18980326 - 10/15/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You're thinking of protestant christianity. Most protestant churches teach something like, you must just have faith in Jesus and then God will treat you as if you were a good person even while you remain a bad person and then out of gratefulness to Him for that unwarranted favor, you will hopefully start becoming a better person, but the favor is in no way dependent on how good a person you become.




I disagree with your take on this.  Being born again, which is a supernatural action of God, is what creates the new heart, the new disposition, the new nature. Being a "better person" stems from the new birth.  It is a natural happening once regeneration creates the new heart.

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The Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches however, have never taught this. They along the with Holy Bible (though protestants would disagree me on that based on a few verses which when taken out of context appear to support their heretical notions) teach that we must observe the moral law in order to be acceptable to God. In other words, you need to at least try to become a good person.



You are missing the point of the Law.  The Law is a killing instrument.  Once the Holy Spirit comes and applies the Law to the heart, the sinner, in conversion, faces himself for what he is, A SINNER.  Undone, unable to produce any sort of righteousness.  The sinner now knows that his best attempts at Holy living are absurd.  It forces the sinner away from looking to himself, and cry out, have mercy on me a sinner!  This is classic Christian conversion.  The converted sinner now instantly knows that the sole basis for salvation is Christ's righteousness ALONE.  A converted sinner will never believe salvation is based on what he does, since every personal effort at righteousness falls short, in fact every effort outside of Christ's righteousness are filthy rags.  The converted are shown God's righteousness, perfect righteousness. 

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Protestants teach that salvation is just something God does to certain people, completely independent of how worthy of it they are.




You are missing the fact that NO ONE is worthy.  Natural man is born into the bondage of sin, he is totally spiritually depraved.  This spiritual blindness is blind to its own blindness.  Natural man is spiritually DEAD.  What can a dead man do spiritually?  Nothing!  It takes the power of God in regeneration, by the application of the Word to the heart, by the Holy Spirit, to create the new spiritual birth.  Only after this happens can a person start to understand spiritual truth, or become a "better person".

You can't have it both ways, your state "For example, it's true that salvation is a gift and not something we can earn or merit. "  then you go on to contradict yourself by saying "He gives it to us on the condition that we are willing to accept his help and learn how to live in accordance with his moral law.".  If it is on a condition, then it is by definition, based on a merit.  Since salvation can be lost because a person did not sufficiently "accept his help", does this not prove that personal effort at "accepting his help" is the merit that keeps salvation?  It is a works/merit based scheme.  You are ignorant of God's righteousness.  God does not accept less than perfect.  Only Jesus is perfect.  Your best efforts are not perfect.  Only through Jesus alone, does anyone come to God.


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Re: Gnostic vs Orthodox Salvation [Re: fivepointer]
    #18980554 - 10/15/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:popcorn:

Since there's nothing on TV at the moment.


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Re: Gnostic vs Orthodox Salvation [Re: Icelander]
    #18982196 - 10/15/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm super reborn, Jesus came inside me and was like, bro, youre reborn as shit now...

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Re: Gnostic vs Orthodox Salvation [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18982432 - 10/15/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Gnosis in Greek is equivalent to Gyan (or Jnani) in Advaitist Non-Dualism. The Gnostics recognized 3 typologies among humans: Hylics (or Sarkics. Sarx means 'flesh'), Psychics, and Pneumatics. Hylics are just sensory-dominated materialistic people. End of story. They identify with what is strictly perishable, and perish. The Psychics live by faith, although there is upward mobility and a Psychic Christian can become a Pneumatic Christian by virtue of experiencing Gnosis. In Gnosis, like the Hindu Sat Chit Ananda, which is sometimes translated as Knowledge-Consciousness-Bliss, or Being-Consciousness-Bliss, is the condition in which Knower-Knowledge-Known have become ONE. It is the same ONE that everyone else on the planet speaks of: "Hear O Israel, the LORD thy God, the LORD is ONE."

For Gnostics, the written word is a record of those writers who have experienced varying degrees of Gnosis. Paul revealed his "Christ mysticism," while Iesous revealed his "God mysticism." The difference is profound, as Albert Schweitzer took great pains to explain in his book The Mysticism of Paul the Apostle. Christianity in general has swallowed Paul's experience as THE Christian experience, but Paul's own visionary out-of-the-body experience in 2 Corinthians 12:2, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter..." was still 'in form' as the Buddhists say. Paul had a Light experience on the road to Damascus and was left blind for some days as well.

Such experiences belong to a high Psychic realm (which I denote as Psychospiritual in my own system of classification), while the experience of Iesous belongs to what I call the Psychocosmic realm. Iesous experienced his identity as being the Ground of Being, Pure Identity, "I AM." Christianity then takes Iesous and creates a unique specie of being out of him which is to be worshipped, instead of endeavoring to experience what Iesous experienced. Faith is someone else's experience is what makes for a Psychic Christian in Gnostic terms. In fact, when a handful of Christian mystics did experience that, like Meister Eckhart. Eckhart (the name that Eckhart Tolle took as his own) said: “The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me; my eye and God's eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love,” he was condemned as a heretic, and had he not died of natural causes would have been burned at the stake outside of Cologne Cathedral for uttering such presumption. Anyone but Iesous who has had this Realization is condemned for such blasphemous presumption in Christendom. In Islam, the mystic al Hallaj said, similarly to Iesous, "I am the Truth," and for that, his hands and feet were amputated and he was then crucified!

Being too cosmic (or Psychocosmic) is too threatening for most people, especially those keepers of the tables in the temple who create the whole worldly game of power, and who maintain borders, and generally are opposed to higher unity but desire separation, self-interest, and cannot see past their animal or demonic proclivities.




Your description of Gnosticism is quite appealing, actually, but I have very little familiarity with Gnosticism either in theory or in practice.  If you don't mind, I'd be very grateful if you would be willing to sketch out a quick reading list that could suffice as an introduction to a lay reader who nevertheless is looking for a degree of depth.


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Re: Gnostic vs Orthodox Salvation [Re: Mahananda]
    #18984220 - 10/16/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

www.gnosis.org. Knock yourself out (with reading)! Or, begin with Elaine Pagels' The Gnostic Gospels as an intro.


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Re: Gnostic vs Orthodox Salvation [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18987373 - 10/16/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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www.gnosis.org. Knock yourself out (with reading)! Or, begin with Elaine Pagels' The Gnostic Gospels as an intro.




That is quite a compendium, Markos, many thanks!


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