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Re: The problem with education today [Re: unknown1123]
#18984924 - 10/16/13 05:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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unknown1123 said: the only people who have problems in life are the ones who don't live within their means.
You're living in a fairytale world, kid. Everyone has problems in life whether or not they live within their means.
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: Patlal]
#18984930 - 10/16/13 06:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Nowadays, you need a diploma to scrub toilets. Not that it's wrong to get diplomas. What I hate is that is you have a diploma in administration, you have imprisoned yourself to work in admin until you decide to go get another diploma (wasting another 4 years and adding debts).
I saw janitorial jobs that were requiring a bachelors degree. the company I work at, that admin degree puts you in line for a job paying $148k/yr, a HS diploma can get you payed 90k/yr. it's a non union company with better pay/benefits than the union gigs and from what I've seen, it's almost impossible to get fired, you literally have to get into a fight in the shop before they'll get rid of you
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Anyone else here is trap behind the bars of his diploma?
nope, not when it comes to earning potential, I may not get some fancy title)though I have one now) but the money I make is pretty good and about to be even better
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: Enlil]
#18984968 - 10/16/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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unknown1123 said: the only people who have problems in life are the ones who don't live within their means.
You're living in a fairytale world, kid. Everyone has problems in life whether or not they live within their means.
financial...
Those who don't live within their means and forget to plan for the future have financial problems, which lead to many more problems
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: Enlil]
#18985053 - 10/16/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: A second BA is pretty close to worthless, though.
It's a B.S., and yes it may seem that way, but really it's not. I am learning some amazing material.
Education is never worthless, especially if you seek education and remain "impartial" to the diploma.
I was replying TO you, not ABOUT you, which should have been clear by the fact that I specified a BA while you were talking about a science degree. The fact that you confused the two makes me doubt the efficacy of your education.
Further, I said that a second BA is worthless...not that the education is. Having a second BA, however does absolutely nothing for anyone.
At my university you may earn a B.A. in psychology or a B.S. 
I think it's a pretty big inference to say that a BA is worthless, but you are entitled to your own opinion. I have a BFA and it already paid off in so many ways. That is, in the interactive world and subjectively in my mind.
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: XUL]
#18985069 - 10/16/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't say a BA is worthless...I said a SECOND BA is worthless.
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: Enlil]
#18985077 - 10/16/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I didn't say a BA is worthless...I said a SECOND BA is worthless.
How do you figure?
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: XUL]
#18985081 - 10/16/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because it adds nothing to your resume/marketability. It says nothing about your level of education, either. One can get an education without a degree and one can get a degree without an education.
The first BA has a value because it proves that you can finish a disciplined curriculum. It means something on a resume (although not much). A second one means nothing.
If anything, when I see a second BA on a resume, it tells me that the person was not yet ready to grow up and face the real world.
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: Enlil]
#18985095 - 10/16/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The problem with schools is that they no longer impart knowledge upon kids that is valued in the market, instead; they pile on political rhetoric designed to make you feel good, but not do anything of real value. The lowest common denominator is what education has become all about. Nobody can rise above the lowest of the lows.
Liberalism - it's expensive AND useless.
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: Enlil]
#18985101 - 10/16/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because it adds nothing to your resume/marketability. It says nothing about your level of education, either.
Hypothetical situation.
A man earns a B.F.A. when he is young. He doesn't do anything with it. When he is older he earns a B.A. in psychology and earns a middle-upper management position in a company.
It does a play a role in level of education and you can tell that from my example. The man knew nothing about psychology or social work and so he could not obtain a middle-upper management position. In reaction he decided to study psychology and earn a B.A. which granted him a higher level of education in a specific area and a better job.
There are so many possible scenarios that you must take into perspective when considering the issue.
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: XUL]
#18985125 - 10/16/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your hypothetical is irrelevant to anything I've said since it doesn't include a second BA.
Nonetheless, the BA in your hypothetical is just as worthless as a second BA because it doesn't prove that the holder is any more educated than he was with the BFA. A degree doesn't mean someone is educated. It is just a piece of paper used to serve a gatekeeper function. Once you have one, you have no need for a second one.
Getting a second BA is like doing the same crossword puzzle twice. I defy you to show me any job listing that requires "at least two BA degrees."
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: Enlil]
#18985135 - 10/16/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I defy you to admit that earning education for the simple sake of learning does not improve a man nor his abilities. What about a man who studies because he is only and just interested in numbers? Defy this man won't you?
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: XUL]
#18985145 - 10/16/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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XUL said: I defy you to admit that earning education for the simple sake of learning does not improve a man nor his abilities. What about a man who studies because he is only and just interested in numbers? Defy this man won't you?
For someone who claims to be educated, your reading comprehension is piss-poor. I didn't say that education had no value. I said that a second BA has no value. See below:
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Further, I said that a second BA is worthless...not that the education is. Having a second BA, however does absolutely nothing for anyone.
You seem to confuse degrees with education. They aren't the same. Truthfully, they aren't even related to one another.
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: Enlil]
#18985172 - 10/16/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fair enough. So use the first example where a man wants to study for his B.A. in psychology. Would you defy this man because he is chasing a B.A.?
I never said I am educated. Fuck, I might be a dumb ass. But at least I give it a try. I mean, I can honestly say I have learned a lot in school. I love every moment of it.
What is the point of arguing?
So you believe that earning additional education, especially a B.A., is a waste of time and money when pertaining to the jobs.
I maintain that an education has much to offer to an individual of any age.
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: XUL]
#18985176 - 10/16/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So you believe that earning additional education, especially a B.A., is a waste of time and money when pertaining to the jobs.
When you learn to read, you should go over this thread again. I never said that additional education is a waste of time at all. I said that the second BA...the actual degree...is worthless.
You clearly can't understand that the two don't have anything to do with each other.
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: Enlil]
#18985194 - 10/16/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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the actual degree...is worthless.
And what exactly does this imply?
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: XUL]
#18985203 - 10/16/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nothing. It explicitly states that the second BA has no value. It is worthless. It isn't even worth the cost of the frame to put it in.
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: Enlil]
#18985223 - 10/16/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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what it really comes down to is this.
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Enlil said: Nothing. It explicitly states that the second BA has no value. It is worthless. It isn't even worth the cost of the frame to put it in.
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I maintain that an education (even a BA) has much to offer to an individual of any age.
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: XUL]
#18985239 - 10/16/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay, I'm done with you. You're never going to understand. A BA isn't education. It's a degree. One can get a degree without getting an education and one can get an education without getting a degree. Education and degrees are not the same thing. They are almost entirely unrelated to each other.
I think I significantly overestimated your intelligence, but I won't make that mistake again.
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Re: The problem with education today [Re: Enlil]
#18985259 - 10/16/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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A BA isn't education. It's a degree.
A degree implies education and thus education is a degree.
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