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ID Request .. Possible Actives .. Panaeolus olivaceus???
    #18979978 - 10/15/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Could some one please help ID these mushrooms. I picked them in a field earlier when collecting Libs. Thanks

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Habitat: Pic 1,2,3: Grassy Field Straight From Dung Where Libs Are Growing.
Pic 4,5: Grassy Field Where Libs Are Growing

Gills: Pic 1,2,3: Dark Brown/Black.
Pic 4,5: Light Brown, Purpley

Stem: Pic 1,2,3: Strong, Solid, Dark.
Pic 4,5: Strong, Solid, White Slimy

Cap: Pic 1,2,3: Browny Colour, Convex.
Pic 4,5: White, Yellow Slimy, Slight Nipple

Spore print color: Non Just Picked

Bruising: Non Noted


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Bubbles85]
    #18979984 - 10/15/13 04:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pics 1-3 are a Panaeolus species, maybe olivaceus?


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: ambc]
    #18980002 - 10/15/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Pics 1-3 are a Panaeolus species, maybe olivaceus?




Awsome thanks. Just what i was hoping to hear :smile:


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Bubbles85]
    #18980105 - 10/15/13 05:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In the third shot the mushrooms appear to be infected. I'm not sure what they are. 4 & 5 are Protostropharia semiglobata.


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Joie]
    #18980155 - 10/15/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Joie. Thanks for your reply. I think i saved them just in time. Another few days and they would'nt have been any good.

We have had a ridiculous amount of heavy rainfall here over the last few days. They had taken quite a battering and were soaked wet through.

I've had a fan on them for the last few hours and there alot better. They actually look grey now there dryer.

I've uploaded some more (close up) pics for you to take a look at. Thanks

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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Bubbles85]
    #18980157 - 10/15/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't call that just in time; they're at least 10% obliterated :laugh:


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: canid]
    #18980166 - 10/15/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I wouldn't call that just in time; they're at least 10% obliterated :laugh:




Haha .. Agreed. Shame i did'nt spot them on friday when i was in the same field.


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Bubbles85]
    #18980229 - 10/15/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Panaeolus papilionaceus and P. semiovatus can get a bit large like this, but I think of the two P. papilionaceus is likelier because of the dark stem and cap texture. Might yet be more interesting but that's my hunch.


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Joie]
    #18980251 - 10/15/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks Joie. Are P. papilionaceus known to contain psilocybin?

It's a shame that they may not be what i was hoping, but i'm happy to hear that they may still be more interesting :smile:

Does any one else have any thoughts on them?


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Joie]
    #18980686 - 10/15/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Probably not P. papilionaceus without an appendiculate margin and 1000% not P. semiovatus with so much pigment and no veil, could be P. olivaceus, or maybe P. fimicola, or maybe another species in section Laevispora.  We're going to need microscopy to have any conclusive names.


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Byrain]
    #18980720 - 10/15/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Cool Byrain, thanks for leaping in.


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Joie]
    #18980774 - 10/15/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Cool thanks for the information. So theres a chance of them being active then.

Microscopy goes way over my head. I would'nt have a clue what i'm doing unfortunately so that pretty much rules that out. Sorry. Plus i don't have the equipment.

Are they safe to "eat and see" as it were? If they are i'll just give them a shot and see if they have any effect. Thanks


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Bubbles85]
    #18980811 - 10/15/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They could be something rare and interesting so I would recommend against eating them, but yes, they could be weakly active, are non-toxic and probably hard to digest.  If you ask Joust or Wintersbefore they may be nice enough to spend the effort/time to scope this collection if you can send it to them.


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Bubbles85]
    #18980839 - 10/15/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Cool thanks for the information. So theres a chance of them being active then.

Microscopy goes way over my head. I would'nt have a clue what i'm doing unfortunately so that pretty much rules that out. Sorry. Plus i don't have the equipment.

Are they safe to "eat and see" as it were? If they are i'll just give them a shot and see if they have any effect. Thanks




If that's all you have they won't be enough to trip off of.


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Byrain]
    #18980887 - 10/15/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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They could be something rare and interesting so I would recommend against eating them, but yes, they could be weakly active, are non-toxic and probably hard to digest.  If you ask Joust or Wintersbefore they may be nice enough to spend the effort/time to scope this collection if you can send it to them.




Sure i would'nt mind doing that if you can point me in there direction. If they are some thing rare would be good to find out exactly what they are.

I've got enough Liberty caps to last a while also so i'm not desperate to eat them.

Just did'nt want to waste them.


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: canid]
    #18980890 - 10/15/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I wouldn't call that just in time; they're at least 10% obliterated :laugh:



or simply decimated


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: ambc]
    #18980893 - 10/15/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Cool thanks for the information. So theres a chance of them being active then.

Microscopy goes way over my head. I would'nt have a clue what i'm doing unfortunately so that pretty much rules that out. Sorry. Plus i don't have the equipment.

Are they safe to "eat and see" as it were? If they are i'll just give them a shot and see if they have any effect. Thanks




If that's all you have they won't be enough to trip off of.




Ok no problem. As i said above i've got plenty of Libs. Just did'nt want to waste them.


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Bubbles85]
    #18980971 - 10/15/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dry them out and then :pm: joust or wintersbefore about sending samples.

If Joust won't take them, send them to me and Ill make him scope them.

:lol:

Wait! First make spore prints.


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Ganzig]
    #18981476 - 10/15/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Now dry and stored with a silica gel patch. The spores are jet black and the caps have gone silver now there dry. I'll put a picture on to show tomorrow.


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Bubbles85]
    #18981491 - 10/15/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You should store the prints with the specimens and then upload the pictures on Mushroom Observer and label the bag with the specimens with at least the MO observation number so you will never forget what they are and anyone that you send them to can easily see what they are scoping.


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Byrain]
    #18981548 - 10/15/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You should store the prints with the specimens and then upload the pictures on Mushroom Observer and label the bag with the specimens with at least the MO observation number so you will never forget what they are and anyone that you send them to can easily see what they are scoping.





Yeah like this. i put a 3x5 card with all that info on it in a bag with print and specimens. If it is small enough to sit in a bag well.


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Re: ID Request .. Found In A Field When Picking Libs [Re: Ganzig]
    #18985958 - 10/16/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ok i will do. Thanks for your input. I went back to the field this afternoon for a quick walk with the dog and spotted some more of them that had just started to fruit.

Its a great field for actives. Theres Libs, P. Cinctulus and potentially P. Olivaceus :thumbup:


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