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Skydyn
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Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things
#18979891 - 10/15/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi everyone,
For a while, I have wondered about the common topics of discussion in the psychedelic experience forum here on Shroomery.
A month ago or so, I authored a post on the phenomena which I have termed "the thing." It's a self-embedded cyclical, oscillating pattern that seems to pervade nearly every interaction and behavior of nearly all things. Applied to human life and literature, a more concrete version of this idea is described by the "hero's journey" and "heroic monomyth." I think this idea is somewhat common, and quite implicit in my experience of psychedelia. If other people here feel the same way, I'm sure that I don't really need to elaborate any more to explain what I mean.
I find this idea nearly infinitely captivating and fascinating, as well as extremely relevant to psychedelia and "the psychedelic experience." However, nobody ever seems to talk about it here, at least not directly. I would think that the psychedelic experience board would be filled with of inquiry and digression about "the thing," but it is not. I personally have and have had great difficulties integrating this notion into everyday life with "regular" people, and I am joined in this feeling by several of my friends. I would expect discussion integration difficulties such as these to be popular in this forum, but that is seemingly not the case. People are always talking about making the drugs, dosing the drugs, the pharmacology of the drugs, what to do on the drugs, etc., but never or rarely ever this idea.
Given the strange contradiction that I have found... that I would expect people to be discussing this idea in extent, but aren't, I have formulated a little questionnaire that may at least pave the way to a satisfactory explanation. It is as follows:
1. What is the extent of your experience with psychedelics?
2. Do you know what I'm talking about with "the thing?" If unsure, maybe elaborate on what you think I mean 2a. Was there a distinct point in your life when this idea became apparent? 2b. If so, how would you characterize the experience of coming into the understanding of this idea?
3. Have you now or ever experienced difficulty integrating this idea into your life? If you answered "yes" to 2a, how did you react to the realization?
4. How has this understanding changed your life and the experience of living it?
Please, elaborate as much as you feel comfortable. Long stories, ideas without definite conclusions, and philosophical musings are all welcome 
Skydyn
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: Skydyn]
#18980293 - 10/15/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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are you speaking on sychronocity or some sort of spirit of existence itself?
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: Agentchewy]
#18980377 - 10/15/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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1. What is the extent of your experience with psychedelics? My experience is limited though I've tripped twice on shrooms in the last 5 weeks. (Aprox 6g first time, then only 1.5 in a tea (lots of pot smoked that night pure laughs))
2. Do you know what I'm talking about with "the thing?" If unsure, maybe elaborate on what you think I mean I think I know what you mean, but I could be very mistaken. When I took the 6 gram dose, 2 grams in a tea with mint and ginger, then 4g eaten soon after I was hit by the high like a freight train. During that time I realised that everything I'd ever done had led to that point. That point of me getting pretty fucked up. Soon after I realised that there had been a series of different events that had led to me knowing my friends, and those events were connected too! This may have just been thought loops though. Am I close?
2a. Was there a distinct point in your life when this idea became apparent? Not sure yet. I think I need a few more 6g+ trips maybe...
2b. If so, how would you characterize the experience of coming into the understanding of this idea? No answer, as stated above, I need more shrooms.
3. Have you now or ever experienced difficulty integrating this idea into your life? If you answered "yes" to 2a, how did you react to the realization? I wouldn't say I've had difficulty integrating this idea into my life as I'm only at the tip of the iceberg.
4. How has this understanding changed your life and the experience of living it? As I'm starting to grasp the idea at a moderate pace, I think it will change my life for the better. 6 weeks ago I didn't know where I was going, shrooms later and I'm setting goals for myself. And the government says drugs are bad for me. Hah!
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: shroomy stan]
#18980393 - 10/15/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quick follow up post - I'm using my phone to read and post and I think I missed something. Dunno where it fits in,but when I was on my 6g trip I was trying to explain the thoughts of how everything is in someway connected to my friend's now ex, and my friend Finch. Neither of them knew 100% what I was on about, but they were keen to know.
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: shroomy stan]
#18980734 - 10/15/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's the thread I started before: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18787787/fpart/all/vc/1
That may describe what I'm talking about better.
It's not really thought loops, and it's not really synchronicity either. Those things are related, but that's not specifically what I mean. I'll wait for someone who knows exactly what I mean to come along and hopefully explain better.
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: Skydyn]
#18980790 - 10/15/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know if it has to do with what you're talking about, but I've often thought about how there's a perpetual struggle between all extremes and the result is everything that "is". A struggle between hot and cold, light and dark, yes and no, and that kind of thing. Take any two absolute opposites and there's some kind of guided neutralizing force keeps everything in a state somewhere in between. Like the opposite of binary where it's either on or off and there's no in between. It's the master controller of all in betweenness. It seems meaningless through a microscope, but once you see the big picture you see that it's infinite and it seems to perpetually lead to something. I think when we trip and see walls melt and carpet flow like water but never fall or spill, we are witnessing this on some level.
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: Universe]
#18980915 - 10/15/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think I may know what you mean by "the thing" as well. It is impossible to describe in its entirety with human words, so I understand how hard it is to make a thread about this... I'll try my best too.
I've had multiple experiences with psilocybin mushrooms, LSD, 2C-E, and 25i-nBOMe. The 25i never showed me much of this, but on psilocybin and LSD I have noticed an ever-present infinite-ness to everything. During my last peak on 4g of cubensis, I realized that when humans speak to one another, we usually compare one thing to another to get a better understanding of what we are trying to describe. There is almost no way of explaining an experience or object without doing so, because as humans we have the world around us to interact with, and nothing more. Everything around us as humans seems to be "concrete" and "real," but it is all just perspective. We can look infinitely inward and outward, to galaxies and subatomic particles, and nothing ever really "ends". There is a strange unseen mechanism in our universe and humankind that allows us to interact with one another, and these interactions seem to form our personality and individualism. While I believe the individualism to be merely an illusion, there is still some strange phenomenon that allows humans to become an entity separate from the rest in this third dimension. While individualized, we are still all relative to each other. This is where the paradox lies... Our seemingly individual minds are influenced and formed by our parents, relatives, friends, teachers, and anyone else who encounters us in our lives. This made me realize that all of the human experience and our existence is all subjective in nature; Nothing is actually concrete in our dimension, because the real essence lies above us in the higher order of dimensions we cannot fathom with our limited minds. This pervading essence of life and sacred geometry, sometimes seen when psychedelics pull back the curtain of the physical world, can show us a new perspective that allows us to question the reality around us. There is definitely some pattern, some shifting mandala of infinite fractals that we play a tiny part in. Since it is impossible to describe it in its totality, we must use analogies and comparisons to relate.
I hope I helped in some way! I have experienced this "thing", this essence of being and greater order, and it has vastly changed my life. After my first mushroom trip, I realized that there is so much more out there(and in there, i suppose) than humans can ever even wish to discover. After this realization, I directed my life towards a philosophy of love and compassion. I believe that love is a way to translate the higher order into human emotion and interaction, and since that first trip, I have spent my life swimming in the wonder and beauty that is our visible world. I continue to ponder the vast possibilities that we do not see, as well...
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: MindDrips]
#18980975 - 10/15/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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1. My experience, 50+ trips and tons and tons of research.
2. I don't know what the FUCK you're talkin about when you say "the thing" I guess that you mean becoming some sort of shaman interconnected through time and space and blah blah blah through psychedelics and the infinitive Cosmos and blah blah blah. 2A. Yes, I suppose it was the third time I took LSD, my first medium dose. 2B. The understanding is just the beginning, the concept is overwhelming and it takes a life time to fully come around to understanding the true reality of "the thing". 3. Hell yeah, it's difficult. Mainly when it comes to integrating that into society. Actually integrating in life is hard because of society and its problems which effect us all. 4. I'd say that I never really lived until I experienced this "thing".
Anywho, I used to be a philosophical rambler but I don't bother these days. My days are numbered and I have so much to do and so little time. I live philosophy and I've grown sick of rambling it off like nonsensical poetry although it is beautifull. later gator.
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: GreySatyr]
#18981163 - 10/15/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MindDrips, you just beautifully explained my first trip after 5 years. That paradox of balance between everything... I was trying to explain it while tripping but I couldn't find the words to do so because there are none. Thank you.
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: shroomy stan]
#18981924 - 10/15/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
shroomy stan said: MindDrips, you just beautifully explained my first trip after 5 years. That paradox of balance between everything... I was trying to explain it while tripping but I couldn't find the words to do so because there are none. Thank you.
You're welcome! I'm really glad I helped explain something unexplainable for you! I do try my best, but sometimes it just can't be quantified with words.
My most recent trip definitely solidified a lot of mysteries I was pondering in my last few trips. I think the mushrooms laid down the law of knowledge on me after LSD just brought up more and more questions!
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: MindDrips]
#18981948 - 10/15/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP are you studying to be a telephone psychic?
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: bishlap]
#18983762 - 10/15/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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thank you for bringing up this thread, a big part of me screams yes I understand what your trying to say, but its just out of my reach, and yes, your cryptic description is missing just enough description to keep it out of reach. All I can say is that I spend everyday thinking about this kind of thing, reality, and its underlying patterns from the biggest to smallest, the consciousness that is all life, and to get to some sort of bigger truth, it has to be followed through the patterns, past the grasp of our minds. I understand this isn't what your talking about necessarily, just an example, Im obsessed with this subject, and am trying to read anything I can that brushes on it. Please recommend some reading, please. I had some amazing inspiration from a strange mix of kava and repeated psyche use, that if I could grasp these concepts clearly, I could write a book that could clearly portray this total patterned truth of everything, without actually saying it, like negative space for the mind through an abstract story, and people would be hooked, because exactly like you said, everyones got a shade of it in them, its this thing they have in the bottom of them that is unexplainable, and most are only barely aware of it, writing from that place of shared conscious experience its undeniable to anyone, its like gravity when an artist creates from that place, that thing inside of us wants to be explained, and that art, or writing is the closest we can come. I want to know more for sure good thread. and can ANYONE recommend books on anything near this subject?
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: Skydyn]
#18984242 - 10/16/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP, have you considered that what you are experiencing may actually be a product of the way the brain functions and organizes information? The power of human language and metaphor is that anything can contain anything else.
That said, my philosophical meanderings and especially psychedelic experiences have led me to some seemingly grand, overarching patterns that I observe in life. Like you, I have trouble putting these realizations into words.
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: Sleepwalker]
#18984683 - 10/16/13 02:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm just going to go right ahead and say I can't figure out what you're describing. I can however relate to the feeling of wanting to describe something from a trip that I have found quite meaningful but was met with reluctance or deaf ears when trying to describe it to anyone. It's not intentional. What can they say in return if they have no idea what I'm on about? And since I have no idea what you're on about, I really can't say anything in relation to what you're describing.
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Re: Topics Discussed in The Psychedelic Experience--The usual pattern of things [Re: Eukaryote11]
#18984730 - 10/16/13 03:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You are referring to a pattern of things, not a single thing, am I right? If so, I know what you are talking about.
Watch out, the mental space you are walking is the bridge, and if you slip off, or take a wrong turn (this bridge is like a networked roadway, leading to many 'other sides') you may end up in looney bin instead of Nobel Prize. Go study mathematics and the Bible. Look for the patterns there. You may just blow your mind, and see what 2000 years worth of Christians only glimpsed. (Except a small handful of people in the mix there.)
You or on the bridge, or crossroads, or whatever other metaphor you want to use. Follow the pattern, but follow the right one... Don't hit the spirals, look for the grid... Connect the lines...
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