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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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To own infers an independence from nature? * 1
    #18977326 - 10/14/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Did anyone stick with that thread?:curbyourenthusiasm::braindamage:  Now do you see why I think we're all a bunch of :crazy2::monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Icelander]
    #18977329 - 10/14/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nope, I can only stomach so much of the teknix show before I change the channel. Synopsis?


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18977537 - 10/14/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Synopsis?

Just read the last two posts and multiply by 300.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Icelander]
    #18977597 - 10/14/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My guess is the dude has a hard on for Spinoza and is making a half assed attempt at emulating axioms of symbolic logic under the guise of semantic gymnastics.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18978538 - 10/14/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Meh, someone might get it. :ohwell:

Never read Spinoza, but I have heard of him in reference to "Spinoza's God".

Maybe I'll look into it. ^.^


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18978567 - 10/14/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I took a quick look once & turned tail. Pretension & complexity are often a ruse for superiority.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Penelope_Tree] * 1
    #18978632 - 10/14/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I guess I agree and disagree with Spinoza's philosophy at a glance, I agree in part that we are only different from nature in thought and in constructing an internal Idea of self. On the other hand I think there is Free-will and maybe had Spinoza been alive to see QM manifest he would have changed his mind about that?

:shrug:

But yeah, I think you get the idea Cosmic.

:congrats:

Pretension is what captures the interest of the players rather than the audience, especially those with their own idea of self to protect. It makes the contenders feel a need to defend that Idea / Identity. (Because they think it's them.)


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: teknix] * 1
    #18978961 - 10/14/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know if the OP in that thread is a fool, a mad man or brilliant but whatever the case, he is throughoughly missing the point of philosophy and he's playing politican.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: teknix]
    #18979440 - 10/14/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I meant Spinoza's rhetorical style, he'd rattle off a bunch of propositions which he believed were self evidently true to make his case, like:


Everything which exists, exists either in itself or in something else.

That which cannot be conceived through anything else must be conceived through itself.

From a given definite cause an effect necessarily follows; and, on the other hand, if no definite cause be granted, it is impossible that an effect can follow.

The knowledge of an effect depends on and involves the knowledge of a cause.

Things which have nothing in common cannot be understood, the one by means of the other; the conception of one does not involve the conception of the other.

A true idea must correspond with its ideate or object.

If a thing can be conceived as non-existing its essence does not involve existence.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18979483 - 10/15/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:wtfsonic: Its a freaking zombie just when you think its dead the topic rises in another thread :zombie4:

No i didn't:lol: circles


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Icelander]
    #18980016 - 10/15/13 04:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I was going to take a gander until I saw who OP was


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18980255 - 10/15/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like word play which leads to mystification.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18980289 - 10/15/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

like your posts?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Icelander]
    #18980450 - 10/15/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Absolutely not. My posts are to the point.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18980526 - 10/15/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You have a point?:whoa:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Icelander]
    #18980794 - 10/15/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Did anyone stick with that thread?:curbyourenthusiasm::braindamage:  Now do you see why I think we're all a bunch of :crazy2::monkeydance:




I poke my head in every now and then. :tongue2:
Also, if we're all a bunch of :monkeydance:, then ownership is a natural phenomenon, as only things resultant from humans are unnatural. Or something. :lol:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

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:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #18980809 - 10/15/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I poke my head in every now and then. :tongue2:

Well you are married to a very beautiful woman so who can blame you. :nicesmile:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Icelander]
    #18980891 - 10/15/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, my point is that I don't talk in circles. Are you confusing me with someone else because I don't know who the hell you are and why you're smarting off. Shouldn't these kind of arrogant posts be in the pub or something? I'd expect it there.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18980899 - 10/15/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Butthurt


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18980927 - 10/15/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Butthurt about WHAT?  Fuck man, you guys just randomly attack people and think it bothers us? If this is the prime philosophy on the shroomery then ill go back to the pub.


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