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cacti and customs?
    #18977713 - 10/14/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

this may be slightly off topic, however im wondering if anyone has ever had any issues with US customs when ording cacti. I know that the customs website specifically states viable plants for propogation as requiring a permit, however Im wondering if anyone actually ever has any trouble with recieving cacti through customs or if the general consensus is that its no more different than any other package.
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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: Muffinman1552]
    #18977830 - 10/14/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it depends on if your ordering peyote or not. If its peyote i'd be very cautious if you choose to proceed. However if its one of the trichocerous species then you should be home free. They're perfectly legal for ornamental purposes, shit i've bought some from home depot before


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: psyconaught]
    #18977911 - 10/14/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I cant ever find any trich at home depot. Theres always a bunch of lookalikes.
and Im not considering live peyote, i was wondering specifically about the columnar trichocereus cacti.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: Muffinman1552]
    #18977924 - 10/14/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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this may be slightly off topic, however im wondering if anyone has ever had any issues with US customs when ording cacti. I know that the customs website specifically states viable plants for propogation as requiring a permit, however Im wondering if anyone actually ever has any trouble with recieving cacti through customs or if the general consensus is that its no more different than any other package.
thanks in advance.




Twice.

One time peyote seeds and I got a letter that said your poppy seeds have been destroyed and the other time a package from kada from taiwan. All the rest have made it feom thailand, germany, taiwan, the UK.

I think its just hit or miss, IMO.

Btw, its been anything from legal to non legal things.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: Muffinman1552]
    #18977941 - 10/14/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have had seeds crushed.  Shipping plants with soil is a major no no, vendors should mail bare root always.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #18978078 - 10/14/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well i just ordered three species of trichocereus for my garden and im hoping to receive them undamaged. The vendor specifically notes how they package their plants and everything seems in order so im just hoping that customs has a heart to allow my new little friends to arrive.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: Muffinman1552]
    #18978394 - 10/14/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why don't you just order them from somebody in the US?


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18978502 - 10/14/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My San Pedro got confiscated by the isrealian customs. I labeled it as "cactus"

If the package is labeled properly and doesnt clearly state that there is a "live plant" inside then the plant should be fine making its way through customs.

My plants had soil & roots when I recieced them. Make sure to get regular shipping because compared to priority shipping the chances of them checking it will be alot lower,

According to my post office they told me its forbidden to ship any plant '"anywhere". Yet at the same time she seen me package and ship cactus.

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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18978575 - 10/14/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ive searched for one and i cant find any vendors with the same kind of quality or variety as what i can find internationally. Its like one place only has T. pachanoi while another one only has cuttings while another place is likely to sell poor quality specimens. If im going to take the chance with customs, its because the specimens are guaranteed to be well enough to survive transplanting. The options are limited and if you look for nurseries around most areas anymore as well as i have, then youll find that most of them went out of business because of superwallyworlds.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: Muffinman1552]
    #18978578 - 10/14/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Have you checked out World Seed Supply? They are a shroomery vendor


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18978665 - 10/14/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Have you checked out World Seed Supply? They are a shroomery vendor



yes, and they only have cuttings. The chance of recieving a cutting when it may fail to take root seems about as much of a risk as it is to order a live specimen internationally in the hopes of it making its way safely through customs.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: Muffinman1552]
    #18978669 - 10/14/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dude have you ever rooted a cactus
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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18978737 - 10/14/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I was also thinking along those lines.  Its like, just try and stop it from throwing roots.  It doesn't want to die.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #18978799 - 10/14/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

dude it's BEYOND EASY to root a cactus cutting... I'd suggest WSS, they have good products...


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18978899 - 10/14/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Dude have you ever rooted a cactus
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no. I havent. theres plenty to say that it must be simple, but I have no experience to confirm it or to say otherwise.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18978916 - 10/14/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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dude it's BEYOND EASY to root a cactus cutting... I'd suggest WSS, they have good products...



Im sure that they do, however, they dont have what i was looking for.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: Muffinman1552]
    #18978929 - 10/14/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hear ya that a lot of the selection of named clones and stuff like that seems to be either lacking or not precise here in the US. Seems like the Aussies have all the good trichos.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18979160 - 10/14/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Dude have you ever rooted a cactus
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I was also thinking along those lines.  Its like, just try and stop it from throwing roots.  It doesn't want to die.



:whathesaid:

By the time you rooted cuttings arrive they will more than likely take just as long to get going again as what unrooted would.

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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: GoOnThen]
    #18979409 - 10/14/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ive been interested on how to cultivate columnar trichocereus specifically. So theres already a selection of those on the way.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: Muffinman1552]
    #18980437 - 10/15/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if you are truly interested in learning to cultivate trichocereus I'd honestly suggest listening to the people on this forum, they know what they are talking about and have a ton of experience....


I've rooted cuttings, started from seed and ordered a bridgesii with roots... honestly you would have to TRY to kill the cutting, and even then it'd probably still grow..... it is literally so easy a retarded monkey could do it....


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dude it's BEYOND EASY to root a cactus cutting... I'd suggest WSS, they have good products...



Im sure that they do, however, they dont have what i was looking for.



what are you looking for?


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Have you checked out World Seed Supply? They are a shroomery vendor



yes, and they only have cuttings. The chance of recieving a cutting when it may fail to take root seems about as much of a risk as it is to order a live specimen internationally in the hopes of it making its way safely through customs.



as explained already, you have nothing to worry about as far as the cutting failing to root.... IMO it makes no sense to buy a rooted cactus for twice what a cutting would cost when it's so fricken easy to root


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18981022 - 10/15/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yea, the forum is the place to go, and there seems to be plenty of helpful cactus people who know plenty about what it is that they do, and until i have a planted cacti, I wont know nearly as much, so the chances of making a mistake are greater for someone else who doesnt know. Otherwise, the rest of these statements are redundant and the answer to your question is nunya.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: Muffinman1552]
    #18982206 - 10/15/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have received cactus from the UK Greece and Germany without any problems.
But there are many good genetics in North america if you are willing to wait . There are several on a popular auction site as i type.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: Junkheadrev]
    #18982827 - 10/15/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

sorry...  :knowwhatnevermind:


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: Muffinman1552]
    #18983859 - 10/15/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There's a chance your shipment might be seized. A lot of things especially if properly packaged and properly mislabeled make it through. Still there is a risk your package might be the lucky one that garners extra attention and inspection. If so, I would just expect what is colloquially known as a "love letter" from customs which tells you that they seized your stuff and that they know. If you get one of those, I would not order again to the same address or under the same name.

If order live plants which are de facto illegal under US law like Lophophora you risk potential LE involvement if your shipment is seized. There have been a couple of reported cases of this happening. One forum administrator went to jail and had his life pretty much wrecked as a result of that incident that was due to poor packaging.

Sadly, we do not allow source discussion here in the EG, but you are free to solicit rooted Trichocereus trades in the Marketplace and/or contact users via PM.

For plants other than cacti, you can get import permits without too much hassle or expense. The USDA/APHIS system is there for a good reason even if biosecurity is rather lax in the US compared to say Australia.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: naum]
    #18983868 - 10/15/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Both Australia and the US have a lot of great clones. Outside of specific forums it is difficult to find either, but I'd argue it's easier to find named clones in the US given that there are specific vendors and many more auction sellers.

Let's please not get more specific in this thread as that will cross the line into source discussion.


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Re: cacti and customs? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #22318933 - 10/01/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



I have found from experience that the biggest problem posting to the US is their postal machinery which CAN and DOES crush seeds to powder - use padded bags !!  Also I ONCE had a Lophophora williamsii confiscated by US customs - but have sent plenty more since then with no problem at all.


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