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Being a Psychologist
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I'm seriously considering working toward a doctorate in Psychology. Any information on pay rate, college studies, positives and negatives Etc... would be greatly appreciated.
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I'd rather act like a psychologist in some TV show or movie. Way easier and pays more.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Hobozen] 2
#18977967 - 10/14/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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And you do less harm.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
#18977988 - 10/14/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let the suckers do the dirty work. Those who know what's going on live life to live, not work.
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Look into a Psy.D. if you think you want to focus primarily on clinical work, but you'll want a Ph.D if you want to research and teach. Consider the fact that you also need to be a businessman with either of these credentials. I am a piss-poor businessman, so I worked for a huge school system in a choice position for 27 years, and had a part-time private practice on the side (stlll do). A college friend moved and trained in California and did very well, he said recently when we reconnected after 30+ years, and became a radio-personality psychologist, with several employees in his practice. But like everything else, his family had money so they set him up nicely. If I'd have married the beautiful but slutty ex-girlfriend of a friend back home, I could've gone into her brother's psychology practice. Her dad was our veterinarian when I was a kid. But, I made another marriage mistake instead, which ill-efected my professional life. No matter. Life is more than social role, more than occupation. Psychology has to work closely with managed care, with psychiatrists at times, and with lawyers. You have to give the appearance of respectability, but you actually must be ethical for the good of your charges, and to avoid being sued and arrested. Studies in Consciousness, psychedelics, and condoning of substance use is seriously frowned upon, generally speaking.
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I've always wanted to study psychology but I'd be shit for a psychologist. Need to figure out a new plan, I guess.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: GreySatyr]
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I'm interested in psychology and thought about being a psychologist but it looks like it's a pretty shit job for me with lots of skills required that I don't really have.
Go do some science, I'm sure you can find something. Get a nice job. Get a nice girl. Go live in an awesome area with lots of nature and natural beauty while still being close to the city. Consider that you may live forever since science and medicine are edging their way to immortality.
Good times ahead.
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MarkostheGnostic said: Look into a Psy.D. if you think you want to focus primarily on clinical work, but you'll want a Ph.D if you want to research and teach. Consider the fact that you also need to be a businessman with either of these credentials. I am a piss-poor businessman, so I worked for a huge school system in a choice position for 27 years, and had a part-time private practice on the side (stlll do). A college friend moved and trained in California and did very well, he said recently when we reconnected after 30+ years, and became a radio-personality psychologist, with several employees in his practice. But like everything else, his family had money so they set him up nicely. If I'd have married the beautiful but slutty ex-girlfriend of a friend back home, I could've gone into her brother's psychology practice. Her dad was our veterinarian when I was a kid. But, I made another marriage mistake instead, which ill-efected my professional life. No matter. Life is more than social role, more than occupation. Psychology has to work closely with managed care, with psychiatrists at times, and with lawyers. You have to give the appearance of respectability, but you actually must be ethical for the good of your charges, and to avoid being sued and arrested. Studies in Consciousness, psychedelics, and condoning of substance use is seriously frowned upon, generally speaking.
Working as a receptionist for a psychologist's private practice was my first job as a 18yo kid, seemed like billing and insurance companies was one of the bigger hassles.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: circastes]
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I'm interested in psychology and thought about being a psychologist
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     
I'm never seen my general feelings about the type of personality that goes into psychology verified in such a dramatic manner. 
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
#18981250 - 10/15/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just because I think we're all God in disguise, that we are eternal manifestations of It, that there is a broader, deeper, more magical way to apprehend our universe and many different levels of it in and outside the body, doesn't mean I can't heal a motherfucker.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: circastes]
#18981320 - 10/15/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What's the first thing you would think/do if someone was hearing voices claiming that they are some type of spirit/astral/energy Beings? If someone reported being attacked and tortured by Demons? If one was complaining of astral parasites that sap the life from his body?
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Involuntary commitment.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: zappaisgod]
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Will you explain how that is a solution?
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My uncle became a doctor 8 years ago and he went to Harvard and got through his courses in under 3 years. Apparently he studied every day for atleast 3 hours a day, and when he wasn't studying he was consulting world famous psychiatrists to discover their secrets which helped earn them the reputation of a "qualified" doctor. I remember he informed me that the number of people trying to become doctors nowadays has significantly increased in the last few years, and that to get it is nearly impossible without you wanting to kill yourself.
What I would do if I was in your shoes would be to take a different route, a route that would deviate from the ordinary means of attaining the title of doctor. You can be just as knowledgeable in medicine without ever having gone to college, I know this through experience for before my uncle became a doctor he cured a number of people, and the thing is, he cured them free of cost, out of the goodness of his heart, just because he was such a genuinely warm & affectionate person whom you'd always want around.
I think you can become a doctor without ever having gone to school, just read many books on natural cures and you should become well adapted to the field, and if you are particularly apt for undergoing long periods of studying without much strain on yourself, you will find that its alot easier than some people might like you to believe for I know that the government has brainwashed many people into assuming that because you have an "official" title that you are in some ways more apt to helping people. I don't want to sound like a quack, or a charlatan for that matter(though I am getting the feeling that I am starting to sound that way with some of my radical notions, but hey, think for yourself, right?).
My cousin had the flu and they thought he wouldn't make it through the night three years ago, and my uncle, without having any prior experience as a doctor was somehow, someway, seemingly miraculously, was able to cure him before he died. That was when a world famous doctor called him and said that he would ensure that he was sent to the most prestige medical academy of the ages, for the doctor knew many people at the top of the "medical" ladder, and, indeed, seemed to be able to sometimes turn someone into a real doctor overnight.
I'm telling you there is something wrong with the notion that you must endure 4 years of schooling, that means going to class everyday and getting up early, and just doing things you really don't truly want to do, but then, I have something against the entire system altogether. The way it operates is idiotic, it seems to me. I've seen brilliant people that dropped out of college who go on to become rocket scientists, and then the people whom passed college try to match their wits against them and guess what? The scientist always comes out on top for they saw through the system and were able to "beat" it.
The only way to "beat" the system is to acknowledge its flaws and try to find a loophole around having to go through the mechanical processes others are all so used to by now. Indeed, you can learn much more in a library than you can in a college classroom, and myself, being a self taught person, with literary aspirations and over 6 best sellers which are on the market right now, and having a following of over half of America, and nearly 1/3 of Europe, so I can say without any signs of hesitancy, and if I did hesitate it would be only to acknowledge that my hesitation sprung up because of something apart from myself which I couldn't be blamed for, can say that you are better off finding some very obscure novels and learning from the masters.
I'm trying to find a way that will enable me to earn a living without relying on college, since I find it a big stupid sham for the corporate hogs to steal the money from the working class people. but you all probably already know this, but since we can't do anything we just go along with it all >.<
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: circastes] 1
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Certainly doesn't mean you can. Hell your posts are hardly indicative of good mental health imo. Not to mention you have certified mental health issues and rely on meds. Seems modern medicine considers most humans are in need of pharmaceuticals. The blind leading the blind imo.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: drkkenny]
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and over 6 best sellers which are on the market right now, and having a following of over half of America, and nearly 1/3 of Europe
What are the titles if you don't mind?
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Will you explain how that is a solution?
It gets a dangerous nutcase off the streets
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
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Certainly doesn't mean you can. Hell your posts are hardly indicative of good mental health imo. Not to mention you have certified mental health issues and rely on meds. Seems modern medicine considers most humans are in need of pharmaceuticals. The blind leading the blind imo.
I guess all I can say is I came off one of the meds and I feel a lot better.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: zappaisgod]
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Will you explain how that is a solution?
It gets a dangerous nutcase off the streets
What about the healing aspect?
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: drkkenny]
#18982262 - 10/15/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can be just as knowledgeable in medicine without ever having gone to college Indeed, you can learn much more in a library than you can in a college classroom
Uhh...No.
before my uncle became a doctor he cured a number of people, and the thing is, he cured them free of cost, out of the goodness of his heart, just because he was such a genuinely warm & affectionate person
Who, if he managed to cure someone with medicines, without being the possessor of a DEA license to prescribe, is a felon, whose nephew just outed him. As far as doing pro bono work, that is something every professional does, but since undergraduate school and medical school has a tendency to run up big bills, even with scholarships, one cannot practice for free in this country. You do not pay a fee for a professional's caring, you pay for the time, which is valuable.
myself, being a self taught person, with literary aspirations and over 6 best sellers which are on the market right now, and having a following of over half of America, and nearly 1/3 of Europe Really now?! I'm impressed! I wonder who you could possibly be with "6 best sellers," and yet you have the time AND inclination to seek out this forum on The Shroomery.
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Will you explain how that is a solution?
It gets a dangerous nutcase off the streets
What about the healing aspect?
Given the symptoms described, walking the streets is not likely to do the client any good at all. It is a recipe for homeless nutcase who will never take his meds. Is this really that hard a concept? With that presentation they are clearly completely whacked and a danger to themselves and potentially others. Into the bin.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
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Is it ME, or is this forum being besieged by a wave of delusional people?
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It's you. By that I mean imo it's always been like this.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
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Holy shit! You're awake at this hour? Even 3 hours earlier makes it past 11 PM PDT.
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Psh, I know Ice posts often posts at 4pm PST.... Though perhaps that's after he wakes up for his morning meditation 
or maybe his old man bladder call
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Psh, I know Ice posts often posts at 4pm PST.... Though perhaps that's after he wakes up for his morning meditation 
Perhaps. But I woke him up with my first phone call once upon a time, and it was early for you Pacificers. Ice thought it was sufficiently surprising and interesting to engage. The question is: why can't i seem to sleep nowadays until 3:40 AM EST?! My diurnal cycles are fucked up and this can't be good for me.
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My mum can't either, and she still works 40hrs a week as a psychotherapist. Maybe gets 5 & 1/2hrs a night at best. She's been going to a book club the last couple of weeks and laughs at these people half her age yawning after work, they bore her
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I post at any hour of the day. I usually rise at about 4 am but am often up several times a night and check the boards. My noon is most peoples early morning. 
I don't sleep well due to a very guilty conscience.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
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Guilty conscience? At least you're not a sociopath. But it's probably that you insist on going to bed too early for your natural diurnal cycle.
http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2012/02/is-8-hour-sleep-modern-artificial.html
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I go to bed between 7 and 8pm and sleep for two or three hours. Then I often get up to stir the fire for an hour or more. Then back to bed for another two or three then I usually wake again for a shorter period and then back to bed for an hour or so. Then I'm up to face another lackluster day.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
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After watching Sleepy Hollow (going there was my 8th grade class trip, looking at the old tombstones! ) last night, and seeing a kid walk out of a medieval temporal anomaly, a time in which people sleep just like you do, makes me wonder. That kid had a plague brought by one of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse - Pestilence/Conquest. Now, as a kid in NJ, I remember a newspaper article about some guy killing and eating a squirrel in Oregon, and catching Bubonic plague. So now I'm connecting the dots to form a delusion about medieval Oregon. And, the Horseman on TV had a horned helmet, sort of like the one on your "Who seeks the Icelander?" pic... There being so many delusionals here, I'm thinking about becoming one myself. The problem is, I'd really have to believe I'm 'special,' and that's just too much self-importance. It's not like I'm Justin Bieber. Well, I have to go now. I try to get up in the morning and watch television all day. That is where the Lord gives me special messages.
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IMO we're all delusional. We just delude ourselves into believing that delusion is the realm of the other guy. It's delusions all the way down. Until you accept this you cannot become enlightened.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: zappaisgod]
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Is this really that hard a concept?
...the meds don't work!
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
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I rather prefer to think of delusion like most everything else, as a matter of degree. I used to think the more 'generic' one could become, the more 'invisible' or lacking in self-importance, which seems to be the essence of delusion. So, in college, I thought that if I didn't dress, or have my hair cut fashionably, for example, then I would be manifesting outwardly my disdain for the plasticity I saw everywhere around me at my college, and I'd be expressing some degree of essential human authenticity. This was delusional.
As a little kid, when I asked my dad for an army outfit, (I had in mind the nondescript olive-drab shirt, pants and cap my friend Paul had, to be 'uniform' with him), my dad bought me a General Eisenhower outfit complete with 5-star epaulettes! I just wanted to be a 'regular' army guy, ready to crawl on the ground with my Cadet bolt-action rifle and rubber bayonet. When I was no more than 18 months old (I met my friend Paul in December 1955), the first time we met, I gave him the white fireman helmet to wear (the Chief's), while I took the red one. I'm talking 18 months old here. For years after, when we'd remember that day, he thought I was giving him the honor of being 'the Chief,' but I just wanted to be a 'regular' fireman. My father wanted me to take his attitude of self-importance, practically from birth. He was a small business owner, but he always wanted to be a "wheel" as he used to say when referring to a big-shot. I always found it difficult to toot my own horn, whether with girls or with interviews from would-be employers. It is a fine line between the enlightened awareness that self-importance is a joke, and the misinterpretation by others of that awareness as poor self-esteem.
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MarkostheGnostic said: I rather prefer to think of delusion like most everything else, as a matter of degree. I used to think the more 'generic' one could become, the more 'invisible' or lacking in self-importance, which seems to be the essence of delusion. So, in college, I thought that if I didn't dress, or have my hair cut fashionably, for example, then I would be manifesting outwardly my disdain for the plasticity I saw everywhere around me at my college, and I'd be expressing some degree of essential human authenticity. This was delusional.
As a little kid, when I asked my dad for an army outfit, (I had in mind the nondescript olive-drab shirt, pants and cap my friend Paul had, to be 'uniform' with him), my dad bought me a General Eisenhower outfit complete with 5-star epaulettes! I just wanted to be a 'regular' army guy, ready to crawl on the ground with my Cadet bolt-action rifle and rubber bayonet. When I was no more than 18 months old (I met my friend Paul in December 1955), the first time we met, I gave him the white fireman helmet to wear (the Chief's), while I took the red one. I'm talking 18 months old here. For years after, when we'd remember that day, he thought I was giving him the honor of being 'the Chief,' but I just wanted to be a 'regular' fireman. My father wanted me to take his attitude of self-importance, practically from birth. He was a small business owner, but he always wanted to be a "wheel" as he used to say when referring to a big-shot. I always found it difficult to toot my own horn, whether with girls or with interviews from would-be employers. It is a fine line between the enlightened awareness that self-importance is a joke, and the misinterpretation by others of that awareness as poor self-esteem.
You remember something from when you were 18 months old? And at that age you made a decision to be a regular fireman instead of a chief as if you had the intellectual facility to make that distinction? Fucking spare me. You found it difficult to toot your own horn but you present this impossible nonsense? I mean really, this just stretches credibility beyond all bounds.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: zappaisgod]
#18986789 - 10/16/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ummm, no... I'm pretty sure every little kid wants to pretend they're in the trenches or fighting a fire rather than being the guy that tells everyone else to go do it 
"Dad, I want an astronaut costume!"
"Well, here's a business suit, you can be the administrator of NASA!"
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: CosmicJoke]
#18986956 - 10/16/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: Ummm, no... I'm pretty sure every little kid wants to pretend they're in the trenches or fighting a fire rather than being the guy that tells everyone else to go do it 
"Dad, I want an astronaut costume!"
"Well, here's a business suit, you can be the administrator of NASA!"

At 18 months?
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
#18986965 - 10/16/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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At 18 months I suspect I was most concerned with whether I could move some apple sauce from the dish onto the table and smear it around. I don't remember though.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
#18987121 - 10/16/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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At 18 months?
I don't know, the story might be part truth and partially confabulated. I can see a preference for toys at that age, but I think the red one might be the most desirable to many children.
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MarkostheGnostic said: I rather prefer to think of delusion like most everything else, as a matter of degree. I used to think the more 'generic' one could become, the more 'invisible' or lacking in self-importance, which seems to be the essence of delusion. So, in college, I thought that if I didn't dress, or have my hair cut fashionably, for example, then I would be manifesting outwardly my disdain for the plasticity I saw everywhere around me at my college, and I'd be expressing some degree of essential human authenticity. This was delusional.
As a little kid, when I asked my dad for an army outfit, (I had in mind the nondescript olive-drab shirt, pants and cap my friend Paul had, to be 'uniform' with him), my dad bought me a General Eisenhower outfit complete with 5-star epaulettes! I just wanted to be a 'regular' army guy, ready to crawl on the ground with my Cadet bolt-action rifle and rubber bayonet. When I was no more than 18 months old (I met my friend Paul in December 1955), the first time we met, I gave him the white fireman helmet to wear (the Chief's), while I took the red one. I'm talking 18 months old here. For years after, when we'd remember that day, he thought I was giving him the honor of being 'the Chief,' but I just wanted to be a 'regular' fireman. My father wanted me to take his attitude of self-importance, practically from birth. He was a small business owner, but he always wanted to be a "wheel" as he used to say when referring to a big-shot. I always found it difficult to toot my own horn, whether with girls or with interviews from would-be employers. It is a fine line between the enlightened awareness that self-importance is a joke, and the misinterpretation by others of that awareness as poor self-esteem.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: CosmicJoke] 1
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Sounded like a pretty sophisticated thought process for 18 months.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
#18987198 - 10/16/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Sounded like a pretty sophisticated thought process for 18 months. 
Well, I'd guess he wanted it because it was the flashy, red hat, so he stuck his friend with the bland, boring white one.... Sounds like a typical toddler motive to me...
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: CosmicJoke]
#18987269 - 10/16/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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but that's not quite what he said is it?
There could be some that age who could think it out but it would be pretty rare. Never can tell with Marko's. Look at all the shit that dude holds in his brain.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
#18987364 - 10/16/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: but that's not quite what he said is it?
There could be some that age who could think it out but it would be pretty rare. Never can tell with Marko's. Look at all the shit that dude holds in his brain. 
Did he speak of his thought processes occurring at that time?
" When I was no more than 18 months old (I met my friend Paul in December 1955), the first time we met, I gave him the white fireman helmet to wear (the Chief's), while I took the red one. I'm talking 18 months old here. For years after, when we'd remember that day, he thought I was giving him the honor of being 'the Chief,' but I just wanted to be a 'regular' fireman"
I think the point was that his parents were grooming him to become 'somebody special', but that's not what he found exciting and playful. He wanted the red helmet 'cuz it was fun...... the combat uniform because it was fun... he was just being a kid... I think you guys are reading into it something he never really implied.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: CosmicJoke] 1
#18987445 - 10/16/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What I'm reading into it is that he is creating memories out of whole cloth. Nobody remembers anything from 18 months of age and they certainly don't have any brain function that can do what he said he did. I think "complete nonsense" is the proper label for his report.
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#18987624 - 10/16/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: What I'm reading into it is that he is creating memories out of whole cloth. Nobody remembers anything from 18 months of age and they certainly don't have any brain function that can do what he said he did. I think "complete nonsense" is the proper label for his report.
I have a memory from earlier than that that my mother verified. I always had a memory of my mother holding me smoking a cig and I was a tiny infant of maybe less than a year. She denied it saying she quit before I was born. Later she found a picture that showed I was correct with dates on the photo.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: CosmicJoke]
#18987670 - 10/16/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: but that's not quite what he said is it?
There could be some that age who could think it out but it would be pretty rare. Never can tell with Marko's. Look at all the shit that dude holds in his brain. 
Did he speak of his thought processes occurring at that time?
" When I was no more than 18 months old (I met my friend Paul in December 1955), the first time we met, I gave him the white fireman helmet to wear (the Chief's), while I took the red one. I'm talking 18 months old here. For years after, when we'd remember that day, he thought I was giving him the honor of being 'the Chief,' but I just wanted to be a 'regular' fireman"
I think the point was that his parents were grooming him to become 'somebody special', but that's not what he found exciting and playful. He wanted the red helmet 'cuz it was fun...... the combat uniform because it was fun... he was just being a kid... I think you guys are reading into it something he never really implied.
I didn't like the 'specialness' quality, or 'being the boss.' It was my father's dynamic. He wanted to 'be in charge' even when HE was a young man. And he was ridiculously naive. He spent a year in a body cast from the waist down that weighed like 300 lbs. (he said) from an experimental surgery when he was 10-11. He had a hip operation, later a knee operation, and he was 4F for WW II. That was just the beginning of his operations and poor health, but he thought he could be a cop when he was a young man, even though he was not a big guy, but short and chubby, and had never had a fist fight in his life. He found himself in a line with a bunch of large, tough Irish men he told me, and it must have dawned on him that bad guys were not necessarily going to listen to him just because he had a uniform and a badge (not to mention a gun). Oh, I also had a policeman's uniform with a shiny black tin gun. I don't remember asking for that one, but I do remember skipping on the sidewalk when a favorite neighbor took me shopping with her, and suddenly remembering that under my overcoat I was wearing a policeman's uniform and I stopped skipping, because cops don't skip.
Before we moved from our apartment in Jersey City, NJ when I was 18 months old, I remember a few events, but one particular experience stands out - my first experience of dissociation. My dad, the hardware store owner, gave me a promotional item - a 4" screwdriver, the handle of which was a little brown whiskey bottle with a yellow label and a small red dot, like a seal or ribbon, possibly McNaughton's whiskey (I saw one of these when I was in college). I plugged it into the non-childproofed wall outlet and got 'thumped' (if you've ever been shocked). I remember hearing the scream of a baby - me - from a disembodied kind of 'witness' consciousness. Many years later I diagrammed to floor plan of that apartment for my folks, and related to them watching shows like Death Valley Days sponsored by Boraxo products, and Rin Tin Tin. I remembered other events like my mother dropping one of my baby-food spoons down the sink drain, and allowing me to hold a rectangular bottle of red rouge, which I dropped on the tile bathroom floor and watched explode into a bright red starburst, both events while she was holding me. And my father coming home from work and making balloon animals to amuse me. They corroborated these events. They couldn't know my first remembered nightmare - screaming tulips! I was jolted into remembering that dream the first time I saw the album cover of the Eat a Peach album by the Allman Brother's Band.
Some developmentalists say that we can't have memories before 3 or 4 years of age. Stan Grof would believe me when I say that on 2 hits of Orange Sunshine insufflated, 1 up each nostril, I revivified my birth experience! Revivification is reliving with exquisite detail (both the terror-suffocation and the intense polymorphous sexuality of it). It is not mere memory! It was so psychotically removed that when I returned, I couldn't understand why I was looking at the body of a 19 year, 360 day old man, and not a new-born!
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Well, a few years late I wanted to become a space-cdet. This was pre-NASA so the word astronaut had yet to be invented. I remember making a bunch of different sized snowballs which I lobbed into the side yard after a fresh snowfall to make craters and a lunar landscape to play 'space' on. I had a couple of different space helmets which today are a fortune on ebay. My dad made a set of air tanks with a coil phone cord to the helmet. Of course I had different ray guns too. I now have a little book of toy ray guns with a couple of them illustrated.Space took on a whole different dimension a dozen years later with acid. And now, the blue colored flags on my strings and poles of Tibetan prayer flags symbolizes space for my meditation.
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You'll always be a space cadet in my book.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: You'll always be a space cadet in my book. 
Aww, thanks. 
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