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Will you explain how that is a solution?
It gets a dangerous nutcase off the streets
What about the healing aspect?
Given the symptoms described, walking the streets is not likely to do the client any good at all. It is a recipe for homeless nutcase who will never take his meds. Is this really that hard a concept? With that presentation they are clearly completely whacked and a danger to themselves and potentially others. Into the bin.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
#18984131 - 10/15/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it ME, or is this forum being besieged by a wave of delusional people?
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Icelander
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It's you. By that I mean imo it's always been like this.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
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Holy shit! You're awake at this hour? Even 3 hours earlier makes it past 11 PM PDT.
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CosmicJoke
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MarkostheGnostic said: Holy shit! You're awake at this hour? Even 3 hours earlier makes it past 11 PM PDT.
Psh, I know Ice posts often posts at 4pm PST.... Though perhaps that's after he wakes up for his morning meditation 
or maybe his old man bladder call
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: CosmicJoke]
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MarkostheGnostic said: Holy shit! You're awake at this hour? Even 3 hours earlier makes it past 11 PM PDT.
Psh, I know Ice posts often posts at 4pm PST.... Though perhaps that's after he wakes up for his morning meditation 
Perhaps. But I woke him up with my first phone call once upon a time, and it was early for you Pacificers. Ice thought it was sufficiently surprising and interesting to engage. The question is: why can't i seem to sleep nowadays until 3:40 AM EST?! My diurnal cycles are fucked up and this can't be good for me.
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My mum can't either, and she still works 40hrs a week as a psychotherapist. Maybe gets 5 & 1/2hrs a night at best. She's been going to a book club the last couple of weeks and laughs at these people half her age yawning after work, they bore her
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MarkostheGnostic said: Holy shit! You're awake at this hour? Even 3 hours earlier makes it past 11 PM PDT.
I post at any hour of the day. I usually rise at about 4 am but am often up several times a night and check the boards. My noon is most peoples early morning. 
I don't sleep well due to a very guilty conscience.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
#18985091 - 10/16/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Guilty conscience? At least you're not a sociopath. But it's probably that you insist on going to bed too early for your natural diurnal cycle.
http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2012/02/is-8-hour-sleep-modern-artificial.html
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I go to bed between 7 and 8pm and sleep for two or three hours. Then I often get up to stir the fire for an hour or more. Then back to bed for another two or three then I usually wake again for a shorter period and then back to bed for an hour or so. Then I'm up to face another lackluster day.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
#18985279 - 10/16/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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After watching Sleepy Hollow (going there was my 8th grade class trip, looking at the old tombstones! ) last night, and seeing a kid walk out of a medieval temporal anomaly, a time in which people sleep just like you do, makes me wonder. That kid had a plague brought by one of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse - Pestilence/Conquest. Now, as a kid in NJ, I remember a newspaper article about some guy killing and eating a squirrel in Oregon, and catching Bubonic plague. So now I'm connecting the dots to form a delusion about medieval Oregon. And, the Horseman on TV had a horned helmet, sort of like the one on your "Who seeks the Icelander?" pic... There being so many delusionals here, I'm thinking about becoming one myself. The problem is, I'd really have to believe I'm 'special,' and that's just too much self-importance. It's not like I'm Justin Bieber. Well, I have to go now. I try to get up in the morning and watch television all day. That is where the Lord gives me special messages.
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IMO we're all delusional. We just delude ourselves into believing that delusion is the realm of the other guy. It's delusions all the way down. Until you accept this you cannot become enlightened.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: zappaisgod]
#18985679 - 10/16/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is this really that hard a concept?
...the meds don't work!
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
#18986372 - 10/16/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I rather prefer to think of delusion like most everything else, as a matter of degree. I used to think the more 'generic' one could become, the more 'invisible' or lacking in self-importance, which seems to be the essence of delusion. So, in college, I thought that if I didn't dress, or have my hair cut fashionably, for example, then I would be manifesting outwardly my disdain for the plasticity I saw everywhere around me at my college, and I'd be expressing some degree of essential human authenticity. This was delusional.
As a little kid, when I asked my dad for an army outfit, (I had in mind the nondescript olive-drab shirt, pants and cap my friend Paul had, to be 'uniform' with him), my dad bought me a General Eisenhower outfit complete with 5-star epaulettes! I just wanted to be a 'regular' army guy, ready to crawl on the ground with my Cadet bolt-action rifle and rubber bayonet. When I was no more than 18 months old (I met my friend Paul in December 1955), the first time we met, I gave him the white fireman helmet to wear (the Chief's), while I took the red one. I'm talking 18 months old here. For years after, when we'd remember that day, he thought I was giving him the honor of being 'the Chief,' but I just wanted to be a 'regular' fireman. My father wanted me to take his attitude of self-importance, practically from birth. He was a small business owner, but he always wanted to be a "wheel" as he used to say when referring to a big-shot. I always found it difficult to toot my own horn, whether with girls or with interviews from would-be employers. It is a fine line between the enlightened awareness that self-importance is a joke, and the misinterpretation by others of that awareness as poor self-esteem.
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MarkostheGnostic said: I rather prefer to think of delusion like most everything else, as a matter of degree. I used to think the more 'generic' one could become, the more 'invisible' or lacking in self-importance, which seems to be the essence of delusion. So, in college, I thought that if I didn't dress, or have my hair cut fashionably, for example, then I would be manifesting outwardly my disdain for the plasticity I saw everywhere around me at my college, and I'd be expressing some degree of essential human authenticity. This was delusional.
As a little kid, when I asked my dad for an army outfit, (I had in mind the nondescript olive-drab shirt, pants and cap my friend Paul had, to be 'uniform' with him), my dad bought me a General Eisenhower outfit complete with 5-star epaulettes! I just wanted to be a 'regular' army guy, ready to crawl on the ground with my Cadet bolt-action rifle and rubber bayonet. When I was no more than 18 months old (I met my friend Paul in December 1955), the first time we met, I gave him the white fireman helmet to wear (the Chief's), while I took the red one. I'm talking 18 months old here. For years after, when we'd remember that day, he thought I was giving him the honor of being 'the Chief,' but I just wanted to be a 'regular' fireman. My father wanted me to take his attitude of self-importance, practically from birth. He was a small business owner, but he always wanted to be a "wheel" as he used to say when referring to a big-shot. I always found it difficult to toot my own horn, whether with girls or with interviews from would-be employers. It is a fine line between the enlightened awareness that self-importance is a joke, and the misinterpretation by others of that awareness as poor self-esteem.
You remember something from when you were 18 months old? And at that age you made a decision to be a regular fireman instead of a chief as if you had the intellectual facility to make that distinction? Fucking spare me. You found it difficult to toot your own horn but you present this impossible nonsense? I mean really, this just stretches credibility beyond all bounds.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: zappaisgod]
#18986789 - 10/16/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ummm, no... I'm pretty sure every little kid wants to pretend they're in the trenches or fighting a fire rather than being the guy that tells everyone else to go do it 
"Dad, I want an astronaut costume!"
"Well, here's a business suit, you can be the administrator of NASA!"
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: CosmicJoke]
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CosmicJoke said: Ummm, no... I'm pretty sure every little kid wants to pretend they're in the trenches or fighting a fire rather than being the guy that tells everyone else to go do it 
"Dad, I want an astronaut costume!"
"Well, here's a business suit, you can be the administrator of NASA!"

At 18 months?
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
#18986965 - 10/16/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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At 18 months I suspect I was most concerned with whether I could move some apple sauce from the dish onto the table and smear it around. I don't remember though.
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Re: Being a Psychologist [Re: Icelander]
#18987121 - 10/16/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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At 18 months?
I don't know, the story might be part truth and partially confabulated. I can see a preference for toys at that age, but I think the red one might be the most desirable to many children.
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