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you know whats FUCKED UP?
    #18974660 - 10/13/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That we live in a society where the people who use psychedelics are made out to be stupid or immature because of the way the government says they are and people just believe them.
When the reality is people who use psychedelics have a BETTER understanding of the world and in my experience are more mature, they see the world for what it is and know the facts while people who are against drugs spread their ridiculous lies and propaganda and according to the government they are the "smart" ones??????
Makes me so angry that we know whats goin on more then the people who think they do when they are actually wrong, very very wrong

THIS IS A TRAVESTY SIR


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: innerspeaker1967] * 3
    #18974671 - 10/13/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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innerspeaker1967 said:
That we live in a society where the people who use psychedelics are made out to be stupid or immature because of the way the government says they are and people just believe them.
When the reality is people who use psychedelics have a BETTER understanding of the world and in my experience are more mature, they see the world for what it is and know the facts while people who are against drugs spread their ridiculous lies and propaganda and according to the government they are the "smart" ones??????
Makes me so angry that we know whats goin on more then the people who think they do when they are actually wrong, very very wrong

THIS IS A TRAVESTY SIR





I can assume from this post that you use psychedelics

I can see you're clearly wrong in many aspects


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18974677 - 10/13/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

how?


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18974703 - 10/14/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

sure my post could be a bit black and white, you don't agree with what I'm saying?


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: innerspeaker1967]
    #18974708 - 10/14/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

All that propaganda is there because society wouldn't function if everyone was fucked up all the time. Everything is good the way it is. Your opinion is valid, if not narrow.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #18974719 - 10/14/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

are you saying you like having all this shitty propaganda shoved in peoples faces?
then again if there was none there'd be no sides to anything


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #18974722 - 10/14/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
Everything is good the way it is.




BULL FUCKING SHIT,
our world is going downhill and the world leaders are taking us there and we're just following like the little sheeple we are.

Good is not even close to a word I would use to describe how we're doing.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18974725 - 10/14/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I can see you're clearly wrong in many aspects



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innerspeaker1967 said:
how?



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innerspeaker1967 said:
When the reality is people who use psychedelics have a BETTER understanding of the world




This, and the government is not dumb just a little too in line with what is popular right now I'd say.  We have known what is important for a long time and the "good guys" have no excuse at this point.  This is just how it is.

Try taking acid and thinking about that.  Soon you'll be wishing you weren't so smart.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: larry.fisherman] * 2
    #18974726 - 10/14/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"Everyone will be fucked up all the time" is the dumbest shit I'd ever hear in my life. Its so improbable


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #18974733 - 10/14/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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innerspeaker1967 said:
That we live in a society where the people who use psychedelics are made out to be stupid or immature because of the way the government says they are and people just believe them.
When the reality is people who use psychedelics have a BETTER understanding of the world and in my experience are more mature, they see the world for what it is and know the facts while people who are against drugs spread their ridiculous lies and propaganda and according to the government they are the "smart" ones??????
Makes me so angry that we know whats goin on more then the people who think they do when they are actually wrong, very very wrong

THIS IS A TRAVESTY SIR





I can assume from this post that you use psychedelics

I can see you're clearly wrong in many aspects



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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18974737 - 10/14/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mjmihalov said:
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XLCaps said:
Everything is good the way it is.




BULL FUCKING SHIT,
our world is going downhill and the world leaders are taking us there and we're just following like the little sheeple we are.

Good is not even close to a word I would use to describe how we're doing.



I was clearly intending that in response to drug laws and propaganda. I can see you're emotional.

It's ok. Just take a deep breath because everything is shit and there's nothing you can do. so when life gives you lemons, you make a lemon tek and live for a while.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: dark3st]
    #18974744 - 10/14/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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"Everyone will be fucked up all the time" is the dumbest shit I'd ever hear in my life. Its so improbable



Maybe, but what's less probable is to assume people aren't people. If it's socially accepted and legal, it's going to be around more and more. The consequenses aren't worth the risk.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #18974751 - 10/14/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

okay, saying if you use psychedelics you have a better understanding of world is stupid i know. not entirely what i meant, what more can you understand then everyone else just because you tripped, its more like you feel like you understand it better


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: innerspeaker1967]
    #18974752 - 10/14/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I get the general idea of what you're saying, and to some degree that's correct, but there's something incredibly naive about the idea that "we take psychedelics and we're so enlightened and everyone else is just sheep."  I've heard it a thousand times before, and there countless people I know who take psychedelics and think they're enlightened and are NOT enlightened by any meaning of the word.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: innerspeaker1967]
    #18974759 - 10/14/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Had this exact thought, even used some of the same terminology, as you,just about 10 minutes ago. what a coincidence.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #18974765 - 10/14/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
Quote:

mjmihalov said:
Quote:

XLCaps said:
Everything is good the way it is.




BULL FUCKING SHIT,
our world is going downhill and the world leaders are taking us there and we're just following like the little sheeple we are.

Good is not even close to a word I would use to describe how we're doing.



I was clearly intending that in response to drug laws and propaganda. I can see you're emotional.

It's ok. Just take a deep breath because everything is shit and there's nothing you can do. so when life gives you lemons, you make a lemon tek and live for a while.




I am a little emotional, but that's what happens when u talk about how our world is going downhill, I'm sorry it upsets me.

There is something I can do, and I do it.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #18974769 - 10/14/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

all I'm trying to say is that its annoying how people who use psychedelics or even drugs in general are portrayed by our government to be irresponsible etc when in my experience the people who use psychedelics are more grounded and sane then the people who don't

maybe that explains it better?


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #18974776 - 10/14/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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dark3st said:
"Everyone will be fucked up all the time" is the dumbest shit I'd ever hear in my life. Its so improbable



Maybe, but what's less probable is to assume people aren't people. If it's socially accepted and legal, it's going to be around more and more. The consequenses aren't worth the risk.



What consequences? There are more conseguences to not educating our people the right way about drugs, taking away personal freedoms, making laws based on non scientific rhetoric, etc...


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #18974783 - 10/14/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I get the general idea of what you're saying, and to some degree that's correct, but there's something incredibly naive about the idea that "we take psychedelics and we're so enlightened and everyone else is just sheep."  I've heard it a thousand times before, and there countless people I know who take psychedelics and think they're enlightened and are NOT enlightened by any meaning of the word.





When they start talking all that hippy Dippy shit like cacti being for religion or mushrooms or LSD spiritual enlightenment is just so :lolsy:

Why can't people say they just want to get fucked up on mescaline, LSD, psilocybin etc instead of lying to everyone even themselves. 

Sure being able to look within oneself is a real thing but everything else(hippy dippydi only, medical uses are real like cluster headaches, like I have but they don't work for me but others its a real thing) is obviously bullshit and an excuse.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: dark3st]
    #18974804 - 10/14/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Celestial Traveler said:
I get the general idea of what you're saying, and to some degree that's correct, but there's something incredibly naive about the idea that "we take psychedelics and we're so enlightened and everyone else is just sheep."  I've heard it a thousand times before, and there countless people I know who take psychedelics and think they're enlightened and are NOT enlightened by any meaning of the word.





When they start talking all that hippy Dippy shit like cacti being for religion or mushrooms or LSD spiritual enlightenment is just so :lolsy:

Why can't people say they just want to get fucked up on mescaline, LSD, psilocybin etc instead of lying to everyone even themselves. 

Sure being able to look within oneself is a real thing but everything else(hippy dippydi only, medical uses are real like cluster headaches, like I have but they don't work for me but others its a real thing) is obviously bullshit and an excuse.



Because as we all know drugs have no religious value whatsoever


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: innerspeaker1967]
    #18974807 - 10/14/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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innerspeaker1967 said:
That we live in a society where the people who use psychedelics are made out to be stupid or immature because of the way the government says they are and people just believe them.
When the reality is people who use psychedelics have a BETTER understanding of the world and in my experience are more mature, they see the world for what it is and know the facts while people who are against drugs spread their ridiculous lies and propaganda and according to the government they are the "smart" ones??????
Makes me so angry that we know whats goin on more then the people who think they do when they are actually wrong, very very wrong

THIS IS A TRAVESTY SIR



Looks like someone tried psychedelics recently :cookiemonster:

welcome to the party


sorry but you'll soon find out that dumbasses use psychedelics too.
and lots of smart people don't.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: innerspeaker1967]
    #18974816 - 10/14/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you can use psychedelics and still make stupid decisions along the way. perhaps those who use them do in fact have a broader perspective on life, but that doesn't make them anymore responsible. It's all about staying aware and not being passive of your past mistakes. BITCH :cool:


I do agree that societies view of psychedelics is rather distorted, but you can say the same for one who is trippin balls. People, and especially those in high office, should be spreading accurate information instead of demeaning them and locking up those who partake. Make knowledge and understanding, not war.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: zZZz]
    #18974818 - 10/14/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No they don't its just an excuse to get fucked up.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18974819 - 10/14/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Funny how people get all high and mighty about drugs while puffing a smoke and pulling back a beer........ "Those stinking dope smoking hippy's are killed there brains". "Irene! Get me my oxy's and a can of beer!"..
The contradiction's in our western society's used to annoy me . Best to be the change in the world you want to see.
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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: innerspeaker1967]
    #18974839 - 10/14/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

EVERYBODY IS FUCKED UP ALL THE TIME!  :crankey:  Stop looking for scapegoats and acting like you're beyond fault.  Do whatever the music going on inside tells you.  Enjoy it or don't, but it is all you have to guide you so if you want to keep it going you must look for a rythmn and maintain it.  Take care of it and pay attention to what it tells you.  Drugs are merely tools. 

The right group at the right time with the right tools is what we need to change direction, but we're all still too focused on improvising as individuals to actually commit to working together right now.  I don't know you, but trust me, you are part of the problem.

It is one of the crechendos of the grand symphony which you and I are a part of.  I think it is beautiful enough to listen to even if it seems endlessly complicated.  Someday we will return to the silence between the notes and to me that doesn't sound so bad, but we gotta just play our parts I guess.

If you think things are black and white and you can make sense of life in a way that is Earth-specific, then you haven't taken nearly enough psychs to know.  Tension is a big part of this game and it really gets to some people, myself included.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: CosmicAdventurer]
    #18974845 - 10/14/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

they want us numb, not hard. b======  (<--one testicle penis)


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: dark3st]
    #18974846 - 10/14/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No they don't its just an excuse to get fucked up.



Maybe for some, but not for everyone, you are generalizing too much, sometime I take psychedelics to get messed up and have a good time, sometimes I take them to become one with nature, sometimes I take them because I'm trying to better myself, sometimes I take them just because I'm bored.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18974865 - 10/14/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Firstly I love to trip out. I would love to be able to be completely open and free with the world about my experiences.

Think about smoking, or even caffiene. Every one of them started because they saw or knew someone that did it and a high percentage of them are chronic users. I know there's a large difference, that's without question but socially acceptable is a big factor in how pretty much everything works. If suddenly we can trip out when we want, how we want, where we want things are gonna get weird man. People are going to give less of a fuck then they do now. I love the thought of people unifying against the governments finally, just like in the '60s, taking a fucking stand man. You never know, things could be fucking perfect, more self sustaining for a while but after the dust settles curruption is omnipotent and unyielding. Tripping has completely permeated the social system so it happens often. People start living their lives that way because it's normal. Suddenly we've forgotten our true goal because we got peace and love and shit. Jobs are filled but suddenly we have another burden on the economy, which we didn't need because baby boomers have turned in to a mass burden on the economy. The economy, the war on drugs, global warming; all of these things will not be tended to until the brink of destruction or the end of the economy, where we shed the American dream and start living for the future. Things need to be more drastic for this to work the way you want it to and I'm sorry to say that's not any time soon.

It's just a scenario but we have enough problems in the world right now than to figure that shit out. Things are good. TrIppers are supposed to know about inner peace and acceptance. We're all having fun now. Enjoy now, not then.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18974867 - 10/14/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mjmihalov said:
Quote:

dark3st said:
No they don't its just an excuse to get fucked up.



Maybe for some, but not for everyone, you are generalizing too much, sometime I take psychedelics to get messed up and have a good time, sometimes I take them to become one with nature, sometimes I take them because I'm trying to better myself, sometimes I take them just because I'm bored.



That's a little different then saying they talk to God even though its just electrical impulses in the brain.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #18974873 - 10/14/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not even completely sure what you're saying but, have you looked at other places that have legalized/decriminalized drugs? Addiction, as well as the violent crime rate is down.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18974901 - 10/14/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Crime rate isn't the world's issue right now. It's a factor but there's more important things. Also would you trip world be as wondrous and mystical is you knew it was completely commonplace and fully available? Not for me, it wouldn't. Most people can't get acid for instance. I can imagine the excited looks on people's faces when they have a real hit in their hand after waiting patiently. That's gone. It's like living beside a theme park it's just not as fun anymore.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18974914 - 10/14/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah the who fear of chaos if drugs are legalized is basically disproven that drugs have been a large part of human history like forever.  It is mass hysteria as is racism and war.  Feel free to try and heal the world, not to get too run down in the process if you're in it for the long haul.

Sometimes you can help a tree by training it in a certain direction, and the tree itself can move in different direction to find the sun, but we don't go around pushing trees every which way because in many cases it is harmful.  You've gotta look at the circumstances and do the best you can.  The idea that drugs are inherently good is just as dumb as the idea that they are inherently bad.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #18974922 - 10/14/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Drugs have been around for longer than we have and I'm sure we've been consuming them for near as long as our own existence. That being said the world is a much different place. We are all interconnected more and more all the time. It used to be spiritually, metaphysically. Now it's socially, electronically, in population. Nothing is cut and dry when it comes to these things. I just don't have much to complain about with how things are right now. I'm at peace. That's what it's all about, dude.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #18974924 - 10/14/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I believe in educating your citizens, rather than making them ignorant.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18974935 - 10/14/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I believe in educating your citizens, rather than making them ignorant.



But they can make their own decisions then:dontspillme:


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: innerspeaker1967]
    #18974938 - 10/14/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not everyone is mentally stable enough to use psychedelics, actually a lot of people aren't.  I don't think its as black and white as you make it out to be. I think anything you learn on psychedelics you can learn sober, I just think they are a shortcut.  I think the reason why many people see the world in a narrow way is because it works best for them.  I've met some really closed minded people that eat psychedelics.  I used to think the same way you did at one time, but the older I got the more shit I've seen and my opinion changed.  I do think psychedelics can show people new ideas that they otherwise might have seen and I suggest every stable person should try LSD at least once.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #18974941 - 10/14/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I voted for communism.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: dark3st]
    #18974942 - 10/14/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I believe in educating your citizens, rather than making them ignorant.



But they can make their own decisions than:dontspillme:



Precisely.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #18974949 - 10/14/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm certainly glad to hear you're happy :shrug: I'm feeling a little deprived, but definitely surviving and feeling like I'm doing what I can to consider the people around me.  I guess thats got to be enough sometimes.


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Re: you know whats FUCKED UP? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #18975007 - 10/14/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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EVERYBODY IS FUCKED UP ALL THE TIME!  :crankey:  Stop looking for scapegoats and acting like you're beyond fault.  Do whatever the music going on inside tells you.  Enjoy it or don't, but it is all you have to guide you so if you want to keep it going you must look for a rythmn and maintain it.  Take care of it and pay attention to what it tells you.  Drugs are merely tools. 

The right group at the right time with the right tools is what we need to change direction, but we're all still too focused on improvising as individuals to actually commit to working together right now.  I don't know you, but trust me, you are part of the problem.

It is one of the crechendos of the grand symphony which you and I are a part of.  I think it is beautiful enough to listen to even if it seems endlessly complicated.  Someday we will return to the silence between the notes and to me that doesn't sound so bad, but we gotta just play our parts I guess.

If you think things are black and white and you can make sense of life in a way that is Earth-specific, then you haven't taken nearly enough psychs to know.  Tension is a big part of this game and it really gets to some people, myself included.




Haha yeah, there are so many people that want to be some badass revolutionary, and they think they've reached some secret enlightenment nobody else has found, when they can't even get over or be aware of their ego-fueled impulse that is driving them to pursue this "enlightened state."  :lol:

They're too busy looking down at the "sheep" to realize that some of the sheep are black just like them (if they are even black sheep to begin with).

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