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Musical Theory
    #18974297 - 10/13/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Let me start by saying, I could use a beer.

Anyways, has anyone taken musical theory and if so, will you please explain guitar chord formulas to a complete musical "noob" who has just picked up the guitar. Ive read up on it but it just isn't sinking in. I've watched a YouTube video or two but no one can explain it in a way that I can take it in.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18975295 - 10/14/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you gotta have a guitar in your hand first.

to know the sounds, then you can see the music better. maybe someone here can help you further.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18975328 - 10/14/13 05:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

there are many videos and tutorials on web, just google "guitar lesson for noob" or something like that.

I suggest to looking for a teacher near you. You'll learn faster :smile:


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: evenlock]
    #18976435 - 10/14/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well I know that developing an ear for it is important and that I am doing. I also tried the above posters suggestion and I do have teachers however none of them have taken any musical theory.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr] * 1
    #18976790 - 10/14/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Muhuhahahah. Just be patient my friend consistency is the key.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Withinity]
    #18976803 - 10/14/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Check this book out its for free. I think he does a good job of explaining scales, modes and a general approach to the guitar all in laymen terms. You have embarked on a lifetime venture if your serious, but you cant digest it all in one night! :wink:

http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/moneychords/Guitar_omnibus_-_Fuzzball.pdf


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Withinity]
    #18977159 - 10/14/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, I will check it out. And yes, I'm very serious about it. It's been three weeks and a day since I started learning. I'm pretty busy but I practice at least two hours a day whether I have to make it up the next day by playing 3 or by getting fifteen minutes in here and there, I do it. I've learned all the major and minor chords, learned about slash chords and barre chords. I know three scales, two chromatic and one 12 bar blues scale. I'm working on upstrums and keeping rhythm, I still can't play a whole song but I guess that's beside the point. I started out with horrible rhythm but that's getting much better. If I could count my strums I might actually be able to play something by now, haha. But I love it and I'm mad that I waited till this long to start playing. (24Yrs)


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18979931 - 10/15/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wow dude you seem to be progression along fairly quickly. Just keep doing that put those bastards into muscle memory and then later the Rhythm will come naturally , it does not matter if you cannot play a song especially at this point. Just keep learning the things that songs are made up of. :smile:

I know what you mean about the age thing but i guess like myself you stumbled across the Guitar of your own accord opposed to the guys who start when they are really young since they have people around them into music heavily, but seems to be doing a good job motivating you anyhow.

What are you practicing on  , Acoustic or Electric? Do you have any preferred guitar styles?


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Withinity]
    #18980253 - 10/15/13 07:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lol, quickly, huh? Awesome, I thought I was learning slowish or at an average speed. Although I'm pretty impressed at how fast I can play the 12 bar blues scale after learning it only two or three days ago. In fact I was surprised I could even remember it cause I didn't play it for two or three days after learning it, haha. I was trying to play some Johnny cash and some CCR. I wanted to learn how to play guitar early but after failing to learn trumpet and drums in middle school, my folks wouldn't buy me a guitar. Trumpet wasn't my thing and our music teacher seemed to have no interest in teaching drums, anywho back to the present...

I'm trying to decide what chords I should learn next. Are the major sevenths a good place to go? And finally to answer your questions, I'm practicing on an acoustic but I'd like to buy an electric down the road although I love both, I'll probably get an even better acoustic before I get a electric. I'm playing on a yammer hammer, I mean Yamaha F335. It's awesome for a beginner like me, good action, stays in tune, easy to play, only problem is I get a lot of buzzing, might just be a problem with the way I play. I'm kinda trying to develop my own style early on. I've been switching from using a pick to fingerpicking. As far as sound goes, I LOVE rock n roll and folk but I also want to incorporate a little bluegrass/country and bluesy thing with a little metal some psychedelia a well. I hope that answered your question, haha.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18985867 - 10/16/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

musictheory.net taught me all the music theory I know in one single night.

Seriously, in less than an hour you'll have learned all you need to know for understanding chords musically, which is much more satisfying than just simply playing patterns that have no meaning to you. Once you learn the order of chords for both major and minor keys (e.g. 1st=Major, 2nd=Minor, 3rd=Minor, etc) and learn a little bit about chord progressions (e.g. the super-common 154 progression where you'd play the first, fifth, then fourth chord in that succession, from an order like I just started to list) you'll be playing what you feel in no time.

Any questions feel free to PM me, I've been playing for like 8 years and am more than happy to help you out with anything I can.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Phantomime]
    #18986162 - 10/16/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks! I'll check that out tonight! I will probably drop you a PM if I can't figure something out. Thanks again. 5 shrooms and welcome to the shroomery!


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18986673 - 10/16/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

wow, sounds really useful. :yesnod:


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18987100 - 10/16/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Interval
you need to understand interval
which is easier on a piano
once you understand interval and
figure out triads major and minor
then the rest flows

Music Theory for Idiots is an accepted classic on the subject.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: eve69]
    #18987109 - 10/16/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

true indeed. that's what the guitarist from Television said, you have to know intervals and then everything is downhill from there.

i never studied guitar, so, i don't know how much that is to be true, but it's pretty relevant anyways.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18988213 - 10/16/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, I've just book marked the site and I'm checking it out now. I'm also interested in learning other instruments but I'm not sure if ill pursue it. I definitely want to get an electric guitar down the road in a year or two but I'm also interested in playing keyboard/piano or drums, more interested in piano though and possibly a wind instrument, MAYBE. I also wish to learn how to. If I had lessons I think I'd be pretty good...maybe.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18988240 - 10/16/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i know you weren't replying to me, but i must say good for you man! :prettyflyforawhiteguy:  :fuckyeahdance:  :feelingfeisty:  :itwasgoodforme:


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18988315 - 10/16/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Haha, thanks. I love this, man. I just wish I could get with some folks who like the same music as I do. The folks I play with now play mostly blue grass and gospel.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18988407 - 10/16/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well, that's something at least. :\


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18988850 - 10/16/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, it don't matter. I still learn a lot. If I start going with my cousin to festivals I will meet plenty of musicians. My cousin can play the hell out of just about anything but he's not too interested in rock but he's willing to teach me. I mean he plays some Clapton and some CCR, he probably knows some skynard, who knows?

I have a question for anyone who can play people are strange by the doors...do you repeat the plucking of the 6, 5, 4, 3, 4 strings or do you pick 6, 5, 4 then 6,5,4,3? Then do the a string magic...


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18991745 - 10/17/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This shit is like quantum physics.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18999329 - 10/19/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Can anyone explain how to play a major and minor pentatonic scale? Or a video showing me how?


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19013649 - 10/22/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/guitar-lessons/33939-so-you-want-know-about-music-eh-then-watch.html

Read read read read everything you can on music. I been playing for many years and im still learning something new everyday. Trust me you will get where you want.. if you ask questions.. Search search search. I cannot emphasize how much you have to read. Good luck on ur journey. Pm if you need direction in a topic
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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Moonlightblue]
    #19021403 - 10/23/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Think of music theory as the language of music. I've known too many people that get caught up on all the "rules" and stuff that just isn't super important. Like, why use B flat instead of A sharp? It just depends on the context. There are exceptions to rules sometimes, but not always.

Also, intervals. Whoever said that knows wtf is up.

Skip to about 1:30, he demonstrates an A minor pentatonic


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: TheEternalOpenEye]
    #19021430 - 10/23/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, you and the dude who mentioned the intervals, has got it right. like you just said, people get hung up on the rules too much, sometimes. it's not about rules, it's about language of music. damn, that sounds like it could have came right out of my mouth.

it's so true. but you know, when it comes to intervals, it's kinda invaluable as a tool for discerning other musical values in composing music. because it's kinda at the base of all the other values, along with a few other things.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19027762 - 10/24/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I feel pretty lost. I haven't had time to do any serious research yet although I have been playing, I don't know if I'm getting any better or not. I wish I could understand this shit. I'm too tired to bother right now, I just wanna relax. I'll make a post tomorrow and let y'all know how I'm doing.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19027952 - 10/24/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are you using what you're learning to actually create music? Maybe you're too focused on understanding and you're forgetting about playing. Countless musicians don't know theory, and many more only know a handful of chords.. but they get by very well.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: WScott]
    #19028199 - 10/24/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed^^^

Let music be something you can enjoy, and work at the theory at your leisure.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: WScott]
    #19029850 - 10/25/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you using what you're learning to actually create music? Maybe you're too focused on understanding and you're forgetting about playing. Countless musicians don't know theory, and many more only know a handful of chords.. but they get by very well.





Countless more musicians know theory and can play technically perfect

but they still suck

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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19030235 - 10/25/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have those days when I don't wanna deal with theory ..
And i just play like when you started do whatever you want..
Rules are meant to be broken.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Moonlightblue]
    #19030669 - 10/25/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

True but will I ever understand it?

And no I'm not using it to create music, I'm just trying to expand my knowledge. I can barely play any "music", it all sounds like garbagled shit.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19031951 - 10/25/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Who has ever understood music? Use your ear more, music transcends concepts. Do you play with a metronome?


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: WScott]
    #19032139 - 10/25/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No, it's annoying as hell and it bores me, makes me feel like a drone.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19032148 - 10/25/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

here is music that transcends music theory.



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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19032230 - 10/25/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't hear a guitar. :shrug: I don't know, man. I feel like its important to fryer the knowledge but I guess I can hold off until I can strum a few songs decently.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19032250 - 10/25/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't hear a guitar.



that's my point. there is more to music, and theory too, other then guitar. you're saying you want to understand music theory, well, you can't. it's a system of results, not rules. it's a logical blueprint for making music.

not a set of rules, for making music. you're never going to "learn" the whole thing, because it doesn't end. that's why people are continuing to make strides in music theory today.

like this... this is something else... with guitar.


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    #19032354 - 10/25/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I don't know..? I'm not very logical.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19032389 - 10/25/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think if you've got the basics, then you should be maybe be good with that. Guitar theory is pretty much like any other instrument, BASICALLY, but then when you get to the more advanced stuff, it becomes completely different.

you know, writing for Piano is very similar to writing for Guitar. maybe you could try looking up a familiar piano tune, and look for a guitar tablature of that piece and try and working on that.

that might expand your knowledge on the subject, i dunno. :shrug: PS: if you can admit that you're not logical, you're more logical then you might think.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19032628 - 10/25/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No, it's annoying as hell and it bores me, makes me feel like a drone.




I feel you. I felt the same way when I was starting out but I learned to make a friend of the metronome. Now, I don't use it very often at all but I will tell you the benefits I have found. It has perhaps a stigma surrounding it for some people but you may try to consider it simply as a very simple drum beat (the foundation of ALL drum beats that adhere to a tempo). Thinking of it in this way you can JAM with it, rather than feel like it is a tedious task to match its clicks. A theory of mine as well is that if you have an external beat it frees your mind somewhat. You suddenly have an aid for creating music and no longer have to keep playing in time so in mind because the device will be there to support you (same happens when you are playing with a real drummer or another musician). I find it very fun to even just tap my hands with any kind of tapping, so much more-so on guitar or violin.

If you're playing scales, turn on your metronome to a comfortable and try to play note per click, 2 notes per click, 3 notes per click, etc. It is really satisfying to smoothly shred through a scale in near-perfect time. I'd say 90% of the material I produce is coming straight out of fiddling with scales so learn them well and get the muscles in your fingers used to them.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: WScott]
    #19033354 - 10/25/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the support, guys. I'm going to work on what you're talking about, playing scales with the gnome, that's what we will call it for now on. I also think that my problem is that I really need a song to stick in my head if I wanna play it. I really don't have any sound in mind. I think I'll try people are strange and just keep listening to it over and over and over and trying to play along half the time. I also think I'm trying too many songs at a time. White rabbit, wish you were here, people are strange, ain't no grave, Folsom prison blues ect ect. Good news though, I've learned two new scales and pieces of some of those songs and a few more and I've been playing with a band at a few gigs. I just strum quietly in the back and grin a lot, haha. I'm glad it's not a very serious or organized band.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19033370 - 10/25/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

the blues are great. keep doing that. it's ALL good man.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19033956 - 10/26/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The blues are ok I guess but I like the greens more.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Viveka] * 1
    #19033970 - 10/26/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19042831 - 10/27/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just remembered.. get to know the circle of fifths..
standard chord progressions go like this: G C F B E A D , try to remember that order sometimes . YouTube circle of fiths.

I'm not too good at explaining stuff lol
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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Moonlightblue]
    #19043144 - 10/27/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I learned a song or two and a bunch of pieces of other songs, lol. I will look into more of this stuff after I can get a little more experience from just playing. I feel like I need more hands on experience before I overload myself with knowledge.


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    #19048863 - 10/28/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just wanted to bump this topic and inform everyone that I'm thinking of taking up the flute, what do you guys think? Learning two instruments at the same time as a complete music "noob"?


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19048886 - 10/28/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Record yourself on guitar and post it. We shall judge.  :death:


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19049020 - 10/28/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Just wanted to bump this topic and inform everyone that I'm thinking of taking up the flute, what do you guys think? Learning two instruments at the same time as a complete music "noob"?




Cool, the first instrument I learned was the flute when I was kid. Then jumped to guitar in my teens .

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Re: Musical Theory [Re: WScott]
    #19049656 - 10/28/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Haha, I actually tried recording myself and thought about posting it but when I went to do it I realize that my iPods audio recording is fucked up and I tried cleaning it out and that helped a little but you honestly can't hear SHIT even if the pod is right up next to the sound hole.

Oh and moonlight, do you still enjoy playing the flute?


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19049854 - 10/29/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yup! Still one of my favorites. One day I'll mix guitar and flute together in a recording, that should be cool


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Moonlightblue]
    #19049925 - 10/29/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Most guitar chords are two triads paired. (123) + (123)
1 & 3 are octaves (repeated notes) 2 is the defining note which governs major/minor.
There are only 11 notes in total.
Guitar is all about shapes you can move (or slide)
A single shape on 11 different frets.

Starting in one position (chord shape)
Learn the 11 notes, & their relation to eachother.
Learn the major/minor of each. (One shape each, on different frets)
See how they all connect like a large web.

If you add a second chord shape now, you'll begin to see arpeggio patterns.
These will open doors for you.

What kinds of scales you discover won't matter.
Within the 11 notes, find meaning and emotion for what you would like to convey.

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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Oeric McKenna] * 1
    #19052067 - 10/29/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, man! I actually understood that! Haha.

Hey, moonlight, check out jethro tull if you haven't and you like rock n roll, he mixes flute and rock in all it's awesomeness!


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19102331 - 11/07/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

see, that's the thing that continues to baffle me, about music theory and instruments and learning to play and everything.. what mckenna said kind of confused me, from a theory stand point at least (with the numbers), but if it helps you learn anything at all, than nothing else even matters! it's all about the feels. if you don't feel it, who cares what sort of advanced theory you know? just keep playing, man. music is a universal language, and i have met the most wonderful people i know because of my own love of music.

for example... this thread! it's awesome.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: TheEternalOpenEye]
    #19102499 - 11/07/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, it is! Lots of helpful friendly folks this thread has been blessed with.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19102582 - 11/07/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

keep up the practice. no matter how you look at it, this is awesome, what you're doing. keep it up. :thumbup:


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19103129 - 11/07/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, I am. Also I may have said this earlier in this thread but I'm looking into learning another instrument along with the guitar, it's just too fun. Haha.

Makes me appreciate music 69938732111756238947590 times more!


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19103166 - 11/07/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #19103471 - 11/07/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Oeric McKenna said:
Most guitar chords are two triads paired. (123) + (123)
1 & 3 are octaves (repeated notes) 2 is the defining note which governs major/minor.
There are only 11 notes in total.
Guitar is all about shapes you can move (or slide)
A single shape on 11 different frets.

Starting in one position (chord shape)
Learn the 11 notes, & their relation to eachother.
Learn the major/minor of each. (One shape each, on different frets)
See how they all connect like a large web.

If you add a second chord shape now, you'll begin to see arpeggio patterns.
These will open doors for you.

What kinds of scales you discover won't matter.
Within the 11 notes, find meaning and emotion for what you would like to convey.

Enjoy!
String the pieces together.




Um, there are 12 notes in the chromatic scale, the 13th note is octave.  :hairmetal:


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Middleman]
    #19109706 - 11/09/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Haha no man. there's 11. the 12th is a repeating octave.
I think you're confused
Take guitar for example, thed zero and 12 fret are your octave. get counting!


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #19110229 - 11/09/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

His guitar has an extra fret before the octave; he's on another level, pushing past even those quarter tones of Indian music.  :rockman:


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #19110374 - 11/09/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Dude there are 12 notes, not 11. On the guitar the 12th fret is the 13th note.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_scale


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: WScott]
    #19111681 - 11/09/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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His guitar has an extra fret before the octave; he's on another level, pushing past even those quarter tones of Indian music.  :rockman:




Hahaha yeah man...

Rev you're totally right! guess my math skills are as pickled as my brain is...
 
Semi-tones are cool tho!

Hey, don't fry your gourds  like me kids...

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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #19112012 - 11/09/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

a tone is a tone is a tone.


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    #19112116 - 11/09/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Middleman]
    #19120751 - 11/11/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If there's only twelve tones then what do you do with the thirteenth?


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    #19122060 - 11/11/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thirteen steps, brah. :aweythan:


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
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Cause I want my tone turned up to 13.


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    #19122530 - 11/11/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #19122775 - 11/11/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

1,b2,2,b3,3,4,b5,5,b6,6,b7,7,1(octave),b9,9,b3,3,11,b5,5,b13,13,b7,7,1(octave). 9ths,11ths and 13ths are alternate component names for extended chords. Extended chords should be played an octave higher for clarity of the whole chord.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Moonlightblue]
    #19128218 - 11/12/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A (1), A# (2), B (3), C (4), C# (5), D (6), D# (7), E (8), F (9), F# (10), G (11), G# (12), A (13)

12 notes in the chromatic scale, 13th is an octave.

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    #19138156 - 11/14/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19195739 - 11/27/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Boy, this shit is hard to learn. Learning by ear is actually easier or me thus far. Although that's hard too because its easy to become overwhelmed. What kinds of music do you guys play?

I chose to bump this thread instead of make a new one.


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    #19196119 - 11/27/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry for the triple post but how many notes go into the construction of a major and minor chord? I mean I know the obvious answer is three but lets use G as an example, G,B and D make up a chord but how many Gs, how many Bs and how many Ds? Obviously G takes priority so I assume 3 and two B notes with a D note or two Ds with a B note...does it matter?


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19205455 - 11/29/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What kinds of music do you guys play?






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    #19220204 - 12/03/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Anybody mess around in alternate tunings?


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19220304 - 12/03/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I love my capo with open tunings. Been playing 25 years now. Really should record something. :smirk:


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Middleman]
    #19220334 - 12/03/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah you should! What tunings do you play in? I'm thinking about learning in the DADGAD tuning as well as standard. I love the DADGAD sound.


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Sorry for the triple post but how many notes go into the construction of a major and minor chord? I mean I know the obvious answer is three but lets use G as an example, G,B and D make up a chord but how many Gs, how many Bs and how many Ds? Obviously G takes priority so I assume 3 and two B notes with a D note or two Ds with a B note...does it matter?





Stick to 3rd intervals..

You can always raise or flat a note. What works for me is alternating around the subdominant chord(4th) but experiment see what's sounds good..
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