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OfflineGreySatyr
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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18999329 - 10/19/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Can anyone explain how to play a major and minor pentatonic scale? Or a video showing me how?


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19013649 - 10/22/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/guitar-lessons/33939-so-you-want-know-about-music-eh-then-watch.html

Read read read read everything you can on music. I been playing for many years and im still learning something new everyday. Trust me you will get where you want.. if you ask questions.. Search search search. I cannot emphasize how much you have to read. Good luck on ur journey. Pm if you need direction in a topic
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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Moonlightblue]
    #19021403 - 10/23/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Think of music theory as the language of music. I've known too many people that get caught up on all the "rules" and stuff that just isn't super important. Like, why use B flat instead of A sharp? It just depends on the context. There are exceptions to rules sometimes, but not always.

Also, intervals. Whoever said that knows wtf is up.

Skip to about 1:30, he demonstrates an A minor pentatonic


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: TheEternalOpenEye]
    #19021430 - 10/23/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, you and the dude who mentioned the intervals, has got it right. like you just said, people get hung up on the rules too much, sometimes. it's not about rules, it's about language of music. damn, that sounds like it could have came right out of my mouth.

it's so true. but you know, when it comes to intervals, it's kinda invaluable as a tool for discerning other musical values in composing music. because it's kinda at the base of all the other values, along with a few other things.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19027762 - 10/24/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I feel pretty lost. I haven't had time to do any serious research yet although I have been playing, I don't know if I'm getting any better or not. I wish I could understand this shit. I'm too tired to bother right now, I just wanna relax. I'll make a post tomorrow and let y'all know how I'm doing.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19027952 - 10/24/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are you using what you're learning to actually create music? Maybe you're too focused on understanding and you're forgetting about playing. Countless musicians don't know theory, and many more only know a handful of chords.. but they get by very well.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: WScott]
    #19028199 - 10/24/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed^^^

Let music be something you can enjoy, and work at the theory at your leisure.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: WScott]
    #19029850 - 10/25/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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WScott said:
Are you using what you're learning to actually create music? Maybe you're too focused on understanding and you're forgetting about playing. Countless musicians don't know theory, and many more only know a handful of chords.. but they get by very well.





Countless more musicians know theory and can play technically perfect

but they still suck

writing songs is its own art.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19030235 - 10/25/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have those days when I don't wanna deal with theory ..
And i just play like when you started do whatever you want..
Rules are meant to be broken.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: Moonlightblue]
    #19030669 - 10/25/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

True but will I ever understand it?

And no I'm not using it to create music, I'm just trying to expand my knowledge. I can barely play any "music", it all sounds like garbagled shit.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19031951 - 10/25/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Who has ever understood music? Use your ear more, music transcends concepts. Do you play with a metronome?


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: WScott]
    #19032139 - 10/25/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No, it's annoying as hell and it bores me, makes me feel like a drone.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19032148 - 10/25/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

here is music that transcends music theory.



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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19032230 - 10/25/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't hear a guitar. :shrug: I don't know, man. I feel like its important to fryer the knowledge but I guess I can hold off until I can strum a few songs decently.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19032250 - 10/25/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't hear a guitar.



that's my point. there is more to music, and theory too, other then guitar. you're saying you want to understand music theory, well, you can't. it's a system of results, not rules. it's a logical blueprint for making music.

not a set of rules, for making music. you're never going to "learn" the whole thing, because it doesn't end. that's why people are continuing to make strides in music theory today.

like this... this is something else... with guitar.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19032354 - 10/25/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I don't know..? I'm not very logical.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19032389 - 10/25/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think if you've got the basics, then you should be maybe be good with that. Guitar theory is pretty much like any other instrument, BASICALLY, but then when you get to the more advanced stuff, it becomes completely different.

you know, writing for Piano is very similar to writing for Guitar. maybe you could try looking up a familiar piano tune, and look for a guitar tablature of that piece and try and working on that.

that might expand your knowledge on the subject, i dunno. :shrug: PS: if you can admit that you're not logical, you're more logical then you might think.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19032628 - 10/25/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No, it's annoying as hell and it bores me, makes me feel like a drone.




I feel you. I felt the same way when I was starting out but I learned to make a friend of the metronome. Now, I don't use it very often at all but I will tell you the benefits I have found. It has perhaps a stigma surrounding it for some people but you may try to consider it simply as a very simple drum beat (the foundation of ALL drum beats that adhere to a tempo). Thinking of it in this way you can JAM with it, rather than feel like it is a tedious task to match its clicks. A theory of mine as well is that if you have an external beat it frees your mind somewhat. You suddenly have an aid for creating music and no longer have to keep playing in time so in mind because the device will be there to support you (same happens when you are playing with a real drummer or another musician). I find it very fun to even just tap my hands with any kind of tapping, so much more-so on guitar or violin.

If you're playing scales, turn on your metronome to a comfortable and try to play note per click, 2 notes per click, 3 notes per click, etc. It is really satisfying to smoothly shred through a scale in near-perfect time. I'd say 90% of the material I produce is coming straight out of fiddling with scales so learn them well and get the muscles in your fingers used to them.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: WScott]
    #19033354 - 10/25/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the support, guys. I'm going to work on what you're talking about, playing scales with the gnome, that's what we will call it for now on. I also think that my problem is that I really need a song to stick in my head if I wanna play it. I really don't have any sound in mind. I think I'll try people are strange and just keep listening to it over and over and over and trying to play along half the time. I also think I'm trying too many songs at a time. White rabbit, wish you were here, people are strange, ain't no grave, Folsom prison blues ect ect. Good news though, I've learned two new scales and pieces of some of those songs and a few more and I've been playing with a band at a few gigs. I just strum quietly in the back and grin a lot, haha. I'm glad it's not a very serious or organized band.


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Re: Musical Theory [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19033370 - 10/25/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

the blues are great. keep doing that. it's ALL good man.


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