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solo11
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curing negative after effects with more?
#18974161 - 10/13/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This post could be taken the wrong way and I understand that it could be dangerous for someone to see this theory with underlying persisting mental issues or something, so with that, I do not recommend this to anyone, I am just curious about a theory. I just got don't reading the book, LSD-doorway to the numinous. If you haven't read it, read it, it was by far the most interesting and informative book ive read regarding psychedelic psychotherapy. But one thing the author talks about, that ive been kicking around in my head for awhile, is basically that the more sessions that are done, the more layers get peeled away (obviously) And that when someone basically ends a trip in the middle of opening a deeper layer, i.e. starting to relive some deeply rooted trauma or repressed memory, and the process isn't completed within the trip, which would basically equate to a very unnerving terrifying trip. and when it ends that way, the user is left extremely depressed, including the persisting visual phenomena, flashbacks, and suicidal tendencies. Basically a typical train wreck of a trip that we hear about fucking someone up. Than giving the patient another session, is reopened to the same situation, and is talked through it, and when its fully re-experienced and realized or whatever needs to happen, all of the symptoms disappear. He even gives examples of being called to the hospital to tend to kids having psychotic meltdowns from LSD sessions that have long ended, and doing exactly this, and curing them. Im wondering what people think of this, and do you think this could be true for most psychotic breakdowns from psychedelics? like a holding on, not letting go, and ending with the trauma still open and un healed, left to poison you and making you go crazy, do you guys think its that simple? because this M.D really seems convinced that that's what is going on with negative impacts of the users. opinions please.
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Re: curing negative after effects with more? [Re: solo11]
#18974250 - 10/13/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think in a lot of cases this is what would best work. Though, in some, people have actual mental illnesses that were uncovered by the drug, and more of that drug probably will not be a good thing
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solo11
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Re: curing negative after effects with more? [Re: MrHill]
#18974332 - 10/13/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea, that's a slippery subject for sure, however, most of these studies were done on already mentally ill patients, like the very mentally ill, psych ward, nothing to lose. Its interesting to read how these patients were cured, as the only thing ive ever heard about these studies before, was they give someone a hit, they see god and are better, which is no where near the case, far deeper through numerous sessions, I guess the real question is, what is causing the mental illness, and I don't know if this is very old info, but it seems to be the opinion in the book that it all revolves around suppressed memories, or trauma, poisoning from the subconscious. but I know for me, ive had some strange depersonalization from a bit of use when younger, when finally I delved into more, a lot more, it obliterated that, I cant help it, this interests me a lot.
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Ok amoismis
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Re: curing negative after effects with more? [Re: solo11]
#18974369 - 10/13/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just looked it up. The author is Stanislav Grof? I was reading about this book and his research in general and it seems quite interesting.
I guess he conducted over four thousand documented clinical LSD psychotherapy sessions, with detailed case histories of the patients. He's like a Doctor-Shaman...
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solo11
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Re: curing negative after effects with more? [Re: Ok amoismis]
#18974562 - 10/13/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea, this book is awesome, its a little bit difficult to read, its written by a doctor, and its not like some biography or something, kind of like reading findings from experiments basically. and he really centers in on the birth process for a long time, I guess most people eventually re experience there birth on LSD, which in some cases was actually proven to be true, the person would relate details that could be traced and proven, even trauma within the womb could be re-experienced, this was a very enlightening book for sure, im going to check out more of his books. I guess what I really liked about it is that its told from a rational stand point, and its sort of getting into some pretty far out things, theories about the deepest layers of our subconscious, and the whole ego death, universal consciousness, and maybe what that could mean as far as what reality really is, and all kinds of far out things that's beyond the grip of most science, sort of a melding of spiritual world and science world, very cool told from a professional stand point.
Edited by solo11 (10/13/13 11:27 PM)
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