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yourladyboss
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Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form.
#18974141 - 10/13/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm growing with a kit I bought online. I had mushrooms begin pinning earlier than expected, so I thought I was on the right track. But they keep dying. They grow to be 4in. tall on average, the cap begins to form, then they dry out and die. I always have a couple new pins forming, so they are continuing to grow. But I have not had a single cap fully form before they die. I keep the soil moist w/o over doing it, room temp is 20-25 consistently & a decent amount of indirect light (although I have started using a bulb like they suggest on the manual to help them get 12hrs of light). Its been a month now with them growing and dying. I don
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: yourladyboss]
#18974182 - 10/13/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds like your choking them to death. They are climbing upward to get away from the co2. Sounds to me like they need more airation.
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: Rewindicus]
#18974188 - 10/13/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also. Kits suck and are a HUGE waste of money. Next time around use a shot gun fruiting chamber.
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: Rewindicus]
#18974258 - 10/13/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rewindicus said: Sounds like your choking them to death. They are climbing upward to get away from the co2. Sounds to me like they need more airation.
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Rewindicus said: Also. Kits suck and are a HUGE waste of money. Next time around use a shot gun fruiting chamber.
QFT
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: yourladyboss]
#18974393 - 10/13/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yourladyboss said: I'm growing with a kit I bought online.
There's your problem.
Here's your solution BRF/PF Tek
Chances are for all the money the kit cost + shipping you could have done the PF tek.
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: Rewindicus]
#18974762 - 10/14/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They did have aeration for a while actually. The chamber had a hole at the top that I was leaving open. I have since plugged it so that the moisture doesn't have anywhere to go. Either way, I've been getting the same results.
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yourladyboss
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: bodhisatta]
#18974773 - 10/14/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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OK, maybe you're right and online kits suck. Regardless, a lot of ppl have success with them including ppl I know. So I thought I would be able to harvest something from this. If the kits work for other ppl, and not for me, I need an idea of what to improve so that maybe I can make all this fucking effort and waste of my time worth something.
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: yourladyboss]
#18974956 - 10/14/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What kind of kit did you get?
mushroomvideos.com , I recommend checking that out.
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: yourladyboss]
#18975022 - 10/14/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yourladyboss said: They did have aeration for a while actually. The chamber had a hole at the top that I was leaving open. I have since plugged it so that the moisture doesn't have anywhere to go. Either way, I've been getting the same results.
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yourladyboss said: OK, maybe you're right and online kits suck. Regardless, a lot of ppl have success with them including ppl I know. So I thought I would be able to harvest something from this. If the kits work for other ppl, and not for me, I need an idea of what to improve so that maybe I can make all this fucking effort and waste of my time worth something.
lets review. You had A hole? Just one in the top? so moisture cant get out? That you had open but you plugged?
if you only had a hole in the top it wouldnt matter if it was plugged or not. co2 doesnt just float away. The bottom of the tank is saturated with co2 and since theres no MOVING AIR its just sitting there choking your plants.
the 2 biggest factors in a good mush grow are -
moving air
humidity
since you have a kit im sure theres some BS humidity gauge in it take my advice and throw it away they are shit.
Your best bet to POSSIBLY save this grow is to upload pics of the setup and tell us exactly what your doin each day to it.
Without knowing the whole situation its hard to tell you what your doing wrong. (i mean theres a bunch of stuff already but im sure theres more so the more info the better)
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: Rewindicus]
#18975040 - 10/14/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rewindicus said:
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yourladyboss said: They did have aeration for a while actually. The chamber had a hole at the top that I was leaving open. I have since plugged it so that the moisture doesn't have anywhere to go. Either way, I've been getting the same results.
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yourladyboss said: OK, maybe you're right and online kits suck. Regardless, a lot of ppl have success with them including ppl I know. So I thought I would be able to harvest something from this. If the kits work for other ppl, and not for me, I need an idea of what to improve so that maybe I can make all this fucking effort and waste of my time worth something.
lets review. You had A hole? Just one in the top? so moisture cant get out? That you had open but you plugged?
if you only had a hole in the top it wouldnt matter if it was plugged or not. co2 doesnt just float away. The bottom of the tank is saturated with co2 and since theres no MOVING AIR its just sitting there choking your plants mushrooms.
the 2 biggest factors in a good mush grow are -
moving air
humidity
since you have a kit im sure theres some BS humidity gauge in it take my advice and throw it away they are shit.
Your best bet to POSSIBLY save this grow is to upload pics of the setup and tell us exactly what your doin each day to it.
Without knowing the whole situation its hard to tell you what your doing wrong. (i mean theres a bunch of stuff already but im sure theres more so the more info the better)

Fixed.
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: Rewindicus]
#18975319 - 10/14/13 05:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rewindicus said: if you only had a hole in the top it wouldnt matter if it was plugged or not. co2 doesnt just float away..
Yea, it actually does.....unless the tub is sealed, but even then it still does not "fall" to the bottom.
What it doesn't do is settle out of air, and fall to the bottom of a tub that has substrates that are constantly generating heat.
The co2 mixes evenly with the air and will rise with the heat currents up and out of the bin.
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: Rewindicus]
#18975322 - 10/14/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rewindicus said: the 2 biggest factors in a good mush grow are -
moving air
humidity
Really?
I always thought that full colonization, FAE, and evaporation were the main pinning triggers.
What exactly does moving air do to mushrooms?
I think you mean FAE.
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: PussyFart]
#18975335 - 10/14/13 05:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Isnt FAE.......the result of moving air? Old/used gasses moving away replenished by new/clean gases?
As to my post responding to a hole in the top of a container and main factors in a good grow, I was talking in laymen terms. (Obviously full colonization, and fae/moving air <~~~~~which comes with evaporation are all important) but I doubt OP is all that educated on the process. Pardon my dumbing down of the language and theory.
The point is.....mush isnt getting the proper air exchange and likely too much or too little humidity. Pics would be a great help in this situation.
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: Rewindicus]
#18975349 - 10/14/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rewindicus said: Isnt FAE.......the result of moving air? Old/used gasses moving away replenished by new/clean gases?
Yes, it means replacing the old air with new air, not just moving the air that is currently there.
If you would have explained it like that to begin with, we would not be having this conversation.
But "moving air" was not the best terminology you could have used, lol.
Blowing into the tub creates moving air, but that would not be considered FAE.....
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: PussyFart]
#18975375 - 10/14/13 05:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You are correct sir.
It was my assumption that my poor terminology conveyed the appropriate answer. 
My bad braj
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: Rewindicus]
#19033798 - 10/26/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks you guys, for your input. I took photos to post and then ended up throwing the plant away because I was so sick of dealing with it. Please tell me what I should buy next time and where to buy it from. I'm still aching for my own mushroom crop.
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: yourladyboss]
#19033833 - 10/26/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: OgreLokon]
#19034114 - 10/26/13 03:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think your gonna regret throwing away a perfectly good fruiting substrate and starting again as opposed to making slight modification to your fruiting chamber. or you could of just allways picked them when they reached that 4 inch mark.
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: elcooperino]
#19034335 - 10/26/13 05:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Long stems are caused by lack of fresh air, and small undeveloped caps are caused by lack of light.
From the description the original poster gave, the mycelium was suffering from both, thus the presentation of long stems and small caps is what is to be expected.
The answer was fresh air and bright light, not tossing out. Throw substrates out when they get moldy. RR
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Re: Mushrooms will grow 4+ in. tall, and then die. Caps don't fully form. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19042901 - 10/27/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So where/what should I buy next time? Since everyone says the online kits are garbage..
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