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    #18973896 - 10/13/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i had a post earlier about this. accept i have a different question. can the mushrooms stop growing from fae? what happens i open the window for a while and get some fresh air in the room with the ceiling fan on low? i actually made a monotub and my mushrooms were growing up just fine. recently i just put in my 2nd cake. could it be possible that my tub is too small for 2 cakes to grow? can mushrooms pull out of it and start growing normally again? the sooner i can fix my problem the better i would feel. any real good answers or options to help get the correct fae by simple things would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18973908 - 10/13/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Build a proper SGFC. Should provide all the FAE you need :shrug:


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Re: FAE [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18974106 - 10/13/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it is proper, if it wasn't why would i even make a thread? all my questions i asked and i get make a proper SGFC. i just measured all my holes and everything is exact. maybe a better (answers) would help from the (questions) i asked.


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18974132 - 10/13/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Based on the information you provided, I would lean more towards lack of adequate rH if you have stunting/stalling of fruits going on.  But the information provided was very little...


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18974145 - 10/13/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Fine. Don't run fans or open windows as that will dry your properly built SGFC out. A SGFC works off the natural air currents in the room. Mushrooms will tend to grow tall and skinny will small caps in a high CO2 environment. 2 cakes will not be too much for a proper SGFC.

Most of the time when a new grower posts something like your OP with no pics, 9 times out of 10 he has a horribly constructed FC with no holes in the bottom or top and like 2 inches of perlite in the bottom. Sorry to make that assumption about you :shrug:


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18974218 - 10/13/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i actually made a monotub and my mushrooms were growing up just fine. recently i just put in my 2nd cake. could it be possible that my tub is too small for 2 cakes to grow?



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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18974365 - 10/13/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i actually made a monotub and my mushrooms were growing up just fine. recently i just put in my 2nd cake. could it be possible that my tub is too small for 2 cakes to grow?




Cakes don't get fruited in a monotub. You sure you have a SGFC?

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it is proper, if it wasn't why would i even make a thread? all my questions i asked and i get make a proper SGFC. i just measured all my holes and everything is exact. maybe a better (answers) would help from the (questions) i asked.




You said you fruited cakes in a monotub, Since you have confusion with that term I would be inclined to believe your fruiting chamber be it a mono/SGFC or hybrid is built awry from specifications.


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Re: FAE [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18974868 - 10/14/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i did everything correct. i researched plenty out. i dont want any problems here. i am just trying to fix my problem when i have 30 other cakes about ready. i dont mind spending money to get the right stuff. i just want to know how i can fix this problem.


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18975829 - 10/14/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i did everything correct. i researched plenty out. i dont want any problems here. i am just trying to fix my problem when i have 30 other cakes about ready. i dont mind spending money to get the right stuff. i just want to know how i can fix this problem.




If you built a proper SGFC, have it in a room not a closet, with 4 inches of perlite in it and are misting then fanning 2-4 times a day then you don't have a problem other than maybe bad genetics :shrug: However, if you are not doing exactly what I just described, then you don't have a proper SGFC, or you are not running it right :shrug:

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Re: FAE [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18976079 - 10/14/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18976095 - 10/14/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why is the lid cracked? That is going to lower your RH and as Gretchen suggested lead to the small aborted fruits you have. If that is something that you did just before taking the pic and are gonna close it back up, and if you have holes on the bottom of your SGFC, then I would have to suspect that poor genetics is your problem :shrug:


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Re: FAE [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18976100 - 10/14/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

darn it =( so there is really nothing i can do? guess not


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18976101 - 10/14/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

FAE In of itself won't cause any problems unless it causes the RH to drop too low. 

I'd suspect that if your increased FAE is caused a problem it's because it dried out your fruiting chamber. 

That being the case you can decrease the FAE or increase the RH to compensate. 

Based on your picture, you have no need for a ceiling fan or open window to provide FAE to a shotgun terrarium.  In fact the ceiling fan will disrupt the SGFC's microclimate. 

So what I would do if I were you in this situation is first shut the fan off.  The window isn't an issue either way unless it screws with your temperatures too much. 

Pick off any remaining mushrooms off the cakes, dunk them again, rehydrate the SGFC and put them back in for another flush.

I didn't see a hygrometer in your picture.  If you don't have go  find an analog hygrometer and calibrate it then use it to ensure your RH is good.


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18976109 - 10/14/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i have 1 questions too if you dont mind, one of my friends thought my terrarium was way too wet and i should mist it less telling me let it grow how all the other mushrooms grow outside. today is it recommended to get a moisture gauge? possible to over mist it?


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18976142 - 10/14/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if i dont pick the mushrooms would they even grow bigger or you think its a waste of time to see what happens in a few days and i should just dunk them like he said?


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18976232 - 10/14/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You can't exactly compare outside grows to inside grows.

Mist the cakes directly till they glisten, fan a little. When the cakes no longer glisten, mist and fan again. Keep repeating this cycle.

I can't tell from the picture, but your SGFC should be elevated to allow air to circulate up through the holes underneath.

Proper air circulation through the wet perlite is how you maintain proper RH and FAE at the same time.


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Re: FAE [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18976248 - 10/14/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, i use 4 cans on the bottom of all 4 corners to lift it up


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18976256 - 10/14/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

so it's possible i wasn't keeping my perlite wet enough and that caused a problem? once i took the cakes out and i just dunked them i took my terrarium and ran water threw it. it feels a lot heavier then it did before.


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18976262 - 10/14/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i have 1 questions too if you dont mind, one of my friends thought my terrarium was way too wet and i should mist it less telling me let it grow how all the other mushrooms grow outside. today is it recommended to get a moisture gauge? possible to over mist it?

if i dont pick the mushrooms would they even grow bigger or you think its a waste of time to see what happens in a few days and i should just dunk them like he said?





It's unlikely it's too wet.  Imagine what outdoor mushrooms look like after it rains? 

I would avoid spraying water onto maturing mushrooms though, and aim to spray the rest of the FC. 

Keeping the perlite damp is vital. 

One thing I noticed was that the ambient RH in the room you're FC is in can have a big effect on how easy it is to keep your FC humidified.  When people give advice about how often or how much they often forget to mention what their conditions are. 

If it's nice and humid where you are, it won't need to mist as much.  If it's dry as a bone, you will either need to mist constantly or run a humidifier in the room with them or use some sort of secondary container/enclosure.   

If it's TOO humid, like your walls are constantly wet, your closets smell moldy, the air feels sticky, then you will need to run a dehumidifier.   

All depends on your local climate, the season and how your house/whatever is built and set up. 

As far as your current mushrooms go - once the veils start to tear go ahead and harvest everything, then dunk and continue on. 
Since you may have dried out the cakes, I'd go ahead and do that now.  Don't sweat it, it's not a big loss and nothing to freak out about.  Consider it a lesson learned and move on.


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Re: FAE [Re: Spongiform]
    #18976301 - 10/14/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah i appreciate the help and advice your giving me


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18976307 - 10/14/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if it helps any, we use wood for our heat. could that make the air more dry threw out the house?


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18976329 - 10/14/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yes. It could be causing your cakes to dry too fast. Wet perlite gives humidity which rises and escapes which brings in more FA which helps the perlite to evaporate to give humidity and so on, in the circle it goes.

If your perlite is dry, this cycle is stopped and your cakes are just sitting in dry air.

Once you wet the perlite and let drain till it stops dripping, you should be good. When you mist the cakes, the over-spray helps rehydrate the perlite.

There's not enough info to really diagnose your issue, but I hope this explanation at least helps you understand what you may need to look at.

Like mentioned above, fans and/or to much air circulation in the room will also stop the RH/FAE feedback loop because it disturbs the natural flow of your SGFC.

There is no reason to avoid misting cakes directly. It doesn't matter if you mist the fruits either, you can hardly avoid it.


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18976344 - 10/14/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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if it helps any, we use wood for our heat. could that make the air more dry threw out the house?




It could. That's why you have to look at the cakes and see if they need misting. Your misting scheduled may be slightly to vastly different than others.

Appearance is the only way to tell if they need misting.


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Re: FAE [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18976361 - 10/14/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

would it help if i bought a humidifier and let it run in the room im growing them in? maybe that would help. sure wouldn't hurt anything either i know. i didnt really think about misting directly over the cakes after a week or 2 either. i just watched a video saying to only do it once when you have the verm rolled all over them


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18976415 - 10/14/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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would it help if i bought a humidifier and let it run in the room im growing them in? maybe that would help. sure wouldn't hurt anything either i know. i didnt really think about misting directly over the cakes after a week or 2 either. i just watched a video saying to only do it once when you have the verm rolled all over them





What's RH in the room to begin with? 

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Re: FAE [Re: Spongiform]
    #18976422 - 10/14/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

okay, ill go buy a hydrometer


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18980504 - 10/15/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hygrometer :-)

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Re: FAE [Re: Spongiform]
    #18983458 - 10/15/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

this is my new setup hoping it will fix my FAE problem. above my terrarium i have a humidifier. in the box i have my hydrometer. it measures at 93% moisture. will this fix my problems?


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    #18983468 - 10/15/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18983964 - 10/15/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lol you can edit a post instead having to make a new one. I do it quite a bit for typos.
The humidifer should help with your RH. Did you calibrate your hygrometer?  Im not a fan of the digital ones, but as long as you know what it really is compared to what it reads, you can adjust accorddingly. Also, did you rehydrate your perlite? I do so to mine about once a month or more if needed. Make sure you have at least 6 in of space on all sides of the chamber for proper air flow. A foot would be better, especially if its in a closest. And if it is a closet, leave the door cracked or open whenever possible.
And lastly, tho I'm  sure you know, that chamber cant handle 30 cakes at once. So i hope you have plans for at least a 2nd chamber. Ive fit 24 cakes or 12 double stacks in a 105qt tub and F&M 10 times a day and it was still pushing it too much. Just my experience tho. Alot of this hobby is trial and error to see what works for your situation.


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Re: FAE [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #18991484 - 10/17/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

how moist should i keep it at? right now its at 93% i probably could get to 96 with my humidifier. what is the best moisture percentage?


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18994024 - 10/18/13 03:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

95-99%
Did you calibrate your hygrometer and did you rehydrate the perlite?


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Re: FAE [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #18995333 - 10/18/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #18999275 - 10/19/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Looks good man.  Now you just need to make sure your lighting is good.  Looks fine to me from the pics and you want a roughly 12/12 cycle but doesn't have to be exact or perfect. 

Keep up the misting/fanning as needed and you'll be harvesting before you know it.


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Re: FAE [Re: Spongiform]
    #18999664 - 10/19/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, i'm using a 5400 kelvin light bulb. i should get a better one but this is my first time growing so im in no rush right now.


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    #19001200 - 10/19/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

6-7k would be better, but honestly, 5400 will work fine.


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Re: FAE [Re: Spongiform]
    #19002346 - 10/20/13 01:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

whats the highest kelvin can you get out of a light bulb? do mushrooms grow any better/faster with the best?


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Re: FAE [Re: ithernet]
    #19002365 - 10/20/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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whats the highest kelvin can you get out of a light bulb? do mushrooms grow any better/faster with the best?



Lighting Requirements of Mushrooms

Some mushrooms, such as the Agaricus species commonly found in grocery stores require no light at all. However, those commonly grown by hobbyists, such as Pleurotus ostreatus (Oyster Mushrooms), Lentinus enodes (Shiitake), Psilocybe cubensis, a hallucinogenic mushroom, and Hericium erinaceus (Lion's Mane) all require light to produce abundant, normal sized fruits. Experience has taught us that the light best suited for primordia formation and the development of fruitbodies is bright light with a color temperature of 5,000 Kelvin to 7,000 Kelvin. Fortunately, this type of light is easily obtainable at your local home improvement center in the form of fluorescent fixtures. For a small terrarium as described in this chapter, a single CFL (compact fluorescent) that screws into a standard light bulb socket will work very well. These can often be found in grocery and drug stores in every neighborhood. 15 watt CFLs will do the job well, but the package will probably have a large 60 stamped on it, indicating they produce light "equivalent" to a 60 watt incandescent light bulb. They're referring to lumens of output, not the frequency. Incandescent light bulbs are the worst possible choice for growing mushrooms, since they emit a 'red' light in the 3,000 Kelvin color temperature range.

The higher the color temperature, expressed in Kelvin, the closer to the 'blue' end of the spectrum the emitted light is. The lower the color temperature the 'redder' the light is. If you have a choice of fluorescent lamps, purchase those labeled 'daylight' since these have a somewhat higher color temperature than cool white. Daylight, sometimes called 'natural daylight' fluorescent tubes generally emit light in the 6,500 Kelvin range, while cool white fluorescent emits light at around 5,000 Kelvin.
If you have several terrariums stacked or otherwise near each other, you can use larger 2 to 4 tube fluorescent fixtures. These come in 48" and 96" lengths. Place the fluorescent lamps as close as you can get them to your terrariums without causing excessive heating. Species such as Shiitake and Oyster mushrooms prefer to fruit at temperatures in the upper 50's to mid 60's Fahrenheit (15C to 20C), while Psilocybe cubensis prefers to fruit at a temperature in the mid 70s to about 80 Fahrenheit (23C to 27C)
Most mushroom species don't mind a slightly warmer temperature during daytime than at night, so if your grow room is a bit colder than the temperature ranges given above, a little warming from your lights during the daytime won't hurt at all, provided you don't let the air in your terrarium get too dry. For cakes, try to keep the humidity above 95%.
Cased substrates are a bit more forgiving, but still try to keep your humidity above 90%. 12 hours on, 12 hours off has proved to be a great combination over a wide range of species. Of course, if you have a bright window near your terrarium, that will suffice, but direct sunlight for more than a few minutes per day should be avoided.
Disregard outdated advice in old books which is constantly repeated on the internet to colonize mushroom substrates in total darkness. Experience and rigorous peer reviewed studies have proved that exposure to low level ambient indoor lighting during spawn run and substrate colonizing will speed up the process, leading to full colonization up to a few days earlier than the same substrate would if colonized in darkness. In addition, mushroom mycelium develops a day/night circadian rhythm, so exposure to light from day of inoculation sets this process in motion, leading to earlier fruiting and harvest.


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