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What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic?
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Are they bad for you and if so why?
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
#18973215 - 10/13/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18973241 - 10/13/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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GMO is horrible for you. The only reason the FDA allows it is because of the $$$
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez] 1
#18973273 - 10/13/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cez said: Are they bad for you and if so why?
Bad for the environment, maybe. Organic possibly less so. It's the same type of plants, so nutritionally there's no difference.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: FruitOfLife]
#18973279 - 10/13/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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FruitOfLife said: GMO is horrible for you. The only reason the FDA allows it is because of the $$$
yeah that's what it's all about in todays world. talk about greed.
edit: im not a snob, i am only human. So i take what i can get to survive, sometimes organic foods aren't available for everyone. Whether it be because of expenses, or whatever. it's a damn shame.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: FruitOfLife]
#18973343 - 10/13/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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FruitOfLife said: GMO is horrible for you. The only reason the FDA allows it is because of the $$$
Why are they horrible for you?
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
#18973361 - 10/13/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd go organic if I could afford it but honestly its a plant in the end. It's gonna be good for you.. after hearing hours upon hours on my professor bitching about how the FDA makes it near impossible for drugs to pass I trust them enough with out food..
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
#18973377 - 10/13/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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FruitOfLife said: GMO is horrible for you. The only reason the FDA allows it is because of the $$$
Why are they horrible for you?
Because of a bunch of unsubstantiated claims and anecdotal evidence.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: KremrBigSikter] 6
#18973386 - 10/13/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cez said: Are they bad for you and if so why?
Bad for the environment, maybe. Organic possibly less so. It's the same type of plants, so nutritionally there's no difference.
organic can be just as bad if not worse, the approved organic pesticides arent insect specific so they can kill everything that comes in contact with a plant including the beneficial insects such as pollinators and with commercially grown organics, a great deal depends on the standards set by the country of origin since the USDA doesnt regulate mexican or chinese certification, they also dont seem to regulate the US markets very well since 5% of the total products used on crops can be 'synthetic' in nature.
overall, organic is a scam
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
#18973412 - 10/13/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They are usually more reasonably priced, and generally just as healthy as "organic".
edit: yeah, what he said^
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Khii Khwaay]
#18973445 - 10/13/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It may just be my imagination, but I swear some of the organic produce that I have tried tasted so much better than the non-organic version. Especially with carrots and strawberries. They seem to be so much more flavorful.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18973653 - 10/13/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cez said: Are they bad for you and if so why?
Bad for the environment, maybe. Organic possibly less so. It's the same type of plants, so nutritionally there's no difference.
organic can be just as bad if not worse, the approved organic pesticides arent insect specific so they can kill everything that comes in contact with a plant including the beneficial insects such as pollinators and with commercially grown organics, a great deal depends on the standards set by the country of origin since the USDA doesnt regulate mexican or chinese certification, they also dont seem to regulate the US markets very well since 5% of the total products used on crops can be 'synthetic' in nature.
overall, organic is a scam
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: FruitOfLife] 2
#18973738 - 10/13/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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FruitOfLife said: GMO is horrible for you. The only reason the FDA allows it is because of the $$$
Not exactly. It was predicted that London would run out of food like 50 years ago, that is why a lot of research went into finding ways to make more resilient crops to pathogens and diseases. The guy who predicted was wrong because of course he didn't take into account technology advancing...
They just take a gene codon and put into the DNA of the plant to make it resilient. Nothing about that is harmful. Unless you have scientific sources then I have to disagree. My argument has countless articles and journals. No difference.
Arguably genetically modified crops saved London.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#18973745 - 10/13/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I only buy and eat certified organic produce. It's healthier for the earth and for me, and it helps local farmers who resist bowing to the GMO imperialists. I know I'm not taking any poisons into my body when I eat organic whole foods. I can't believe people are putting inorganic poison into their bodies and don't even think twice about it. You guys need to examine your properties
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: abltsandwich] 7
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I dunno if I buy into the GMO=evil poison toxins idea. On the other hand the way Mosanto et all operates rubs me the wrong way. Like changing plants so that farmers have to buy new seed from them every time. We have to accept new technology to benefit a growing population. But they don't have to be greedy assholes about it. And I'd rather we found a way to not eat any roundup.
That said, yea organic heirloom tomatoes do taste waaaay better than the strangely large, off color tomatoes...
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Lynnch]
#18973977 - 10/13/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol if we keep accommidating the growing population itll just be worse in the end. I think organic is better because it doesn't kill the shit out of the honey bee population etc. Definitely better for the environment atleast!
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#18973985 - 10/13/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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FruitOfLife said: GMO is horrible for you. The only reason the FDA allows it is because of the $$$
Citation needed.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18973996 - 10/13/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cez said: Are they bad for you and if so why?
Bad for the environment, maybe. Organic possibly less so. It's the same type of plants, so nutritionally there's no difference.
organic can be just as bad if not worse, the approved organic pesticides arent insect specific so they can kill everything that comes in contact with a plant including the beneficial insects such as pollinators and with commercially grown organics, a great deal depends on the standards set by the country of origin since the USDA doesnt regulate mexican or chinese certification, they also dont seem to regulate the US markets very well since 5% of the total products used on crops can be 'synthetic' in nature.
overall, organic is a scam
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Shroomerited]
#18974025 - 10/13/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: abltsandwich]
#18974067 - 10/13/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: I only buy and eat certified organic produce. It's healthier for the earth and for me, and it helps local farmers who resist bowing to the GMO imperialists. I know I'm not taking any poisons into my body when I eat organic whole foods. I can't believe people are putting inorganic poison into their bodies and don't even think twice about it. You guys need to examine your properties
Buying organic produce from Kroger doesn't help local farmers whatsoever.
It's nt healthy for the earth to ship a head of organic cabbage across the country. Especially since it's organic and has a shorter shelf life.
I cant believe you're putting trace amounts of organic pesticides into your body. Certified organic foods allow for a certain amount of inorganic chemicals to be used anyway.
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#18974092 - 10/13/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They all have stickers on them, there's nothing organic about a sticker even if it has a stylized O & says organic right on it.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: tito123] 1
#18974093 - 10/13/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Start going to local farmers markets.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Ballerium]
#18974107 - 10/13/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yup. My local produce is cheaper than bulk in the grocery store/WalMart, and the meats cheaper too. As well as tasting 100x better, which is what really counts for me.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: pcplease]
#18974111 - 10/13/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mmhmm! Its all about that taste.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Ballerium]
#18974164 - 10/13/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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P.S. Anyone who has never tried any freshly made butter... 
I get mine from the farmer's market too, and from a small grocery store during the off-season
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#18974427 - 10/13/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cez said: Are they bad for you and if so why?
Bad for the environment, maybe. Organic possibly less so. It's the same type of plants, so nutritionally there's no difference.
Not completely true, its easy to unintentionally introduce genes that produce RNA molecules with bizarre properties. Such plant RNAs (microRNAs for example) can gain a 2'-methoxy group at their 3' termini and successfully resist RNAse digestion in the GI tract. From there they easily pass into the bloodstream and into the liver through the portal vein where they can shutdown certain pathways inside liver cells and do fucked up things like raise your LDL cholesterol.
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#18974977 - 10/14/13 01:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, look at the world 70 years ago and what they considered safe. I don't have an opinion one way or another, but I think its probably a safer bet to eat food you grow yourself than food from some random person.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: fapjack]
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: flickedbic]
#18975058 - 10/14/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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#18975062 - 10/14/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass, it's not (all) about that French study, which was indeed for lack of a better word bogus.
You'd have to look into the other studies in detail to see if something is really going on and if so, if it has anything to do with GMO (and if so, what exact modification to what organism in what sort of dietary habit by what sort of animal...) And there you have it: the anti-GMO lobby suffers from being a-specific and dogmatic, thereby creating so much noise that any possible signal is lost.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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cez said: Are they bad for you and if so why?
Bad for the environment, maybe. Organic possibly less so. It's the same type of plants, so nutritionally there's no difference.
organic can be just as bad if not worse, the approved organic pesticides arent insect specific so they can kill everything that comes in contact with a plant including the beneficial insects such as pollinators and with commercially grown organics, a great deal depends on the standards set by the country of origin since the USDA doesnt regulate mexican or chinese certification, they also dont seem to regulate the US markets very well since 5% of the total products used on crops can be 'synthetic' in nature.
overall, organic is a scam
I live in Europe and it's pretty well regulated here. I'm sure you're right about pesticides, but non-organic fertilizers are unsustainable. You're basically turning your patch of dirt into a giant coir grow where the nutrients need to be refilled constantly, instead of a good old (but less fertile) ecosystem made out of dirt and chicken shit and bacteria and all that.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: FruitOfLife]
#18975413 - 10/14/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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FruitOfLife said: GMO is horrible for you. The only reason the FDA allows it is because of the $$$
Explain the mechanics behind this. Because from my underztanding, genetic material is genetic material.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
#18975418 - 10/14/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic?
Its better to eat fruit/veggies that are not organic, than to skip eating them altogether.
Most people by far eat too few greens per day. Fruit + veggies combined should at least be 2 pounds per day.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Asante]
#18975437 - 10/14/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My thoughts and views on fruits & vegetables that aren't organic are...they're cheaper.
That's all I got.
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#18975464 - 10/14/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Fruit + veggies combined should at least be 2 pounds per day.
I'm vegan and I don't eat close to that much. I'd agree on the veg part, but don't overdose on fruit. Too much sugar. Also, thanks to fiber:
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
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I agree on not overdosing on fruit, the majority of that should be vegetables.
But you can eat some vegetables AS fruit. For instance I eat bell peppers as if they are fruit.
Bell peppers are insanely healthy. They contain good mineral, LOADS of vitamin C but above all else TONS of carotenoids which as ppotent antioxidants and anticancer substances that are also very good for the eyes and other organs, for instance Zeaxanthin.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: abltsandwich]
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abltsandwich said: I only buy and eat certified organic produce. It's healthier for the earth and for me, and it helps local farmers who resist bowing to the GMO imperialists.
unless you're buying right off the farm then it's probable that you're still 'empowering the imperialists' because there's 3 large corporations that have the control of the organic market
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I know I'm not taking any poisons into my body when I eat organic whole foods. I can't believe people are putting inorganic poison into their bodies and don't even think twice about it. You guys need to examine your properties
lol... there's certified organic pesticides, they're actually more toxic than the stuff produced by monsanto and friends. do a bit of reading
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/organictext.html http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/CoopExt/4DMG/PHC/psticid2.htm
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Asante]
#18975534 - 10/14/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: I agree on not overdosing on fruit, the majority of that should be vegetables.
But you can eat some vegetables AS fruit. For instance I eat bell peppers as if they are fruit.
you eat them as a fruit because they are a fruit
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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But you can eat some vegetables AS fruit. For instance I eat bell peppers as if they are fruit.
you eat them as a fruit because they are a fruit
That's crazy talk. Fruit goes in a fancy bowl on a table. Vegetables go in a big clear tray in the fridge. Peppers go in the tray -> Peppers are vegetables.
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Wiccan_Seeker said: I agree on not overdosing on fruit, the majority of that should be vegetables.
But you can eat some vegetables AS fruit. For instance I eat bell peppers as if they are fruit.
you eat them as a fruit because they are a fruit
That's crazy talk. Fruit goes in a fancy bowl on a table. Vegetables go in a big clear tray in the fridge. Peppers go in the tray -> Peppers are vegetables.
green beans.... also a fruit
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I still hold that the Fruit Bowl / Veg Tray Rule (FB/VT) is the only guiding principle on what's a fruit. Let's see you country boys make a fruit salad based on botanical definitions!
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
#18975579 - 10/14/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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KremrBigSikter said: I still hold that the Fruit Bowl / Veg Tray Rule (FB/VT) is the only guiding principle on what's a fruit. Let's see you country boys make a fruit salad based on botanical definitions!
I make a fruit salad that contains nuts and celery, nuts and celery arent fruits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_salad
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18975587 - 10/14/13 07:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nuts are fruits though.
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and see, now we have the ask the question... do vegetables even exist?
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#18975617 - 10/14/13 07:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What else could celery and lettuce and stuff be though, they aren't fruits and they definitely aren't meat. Minerals?
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: psi] 1
#18975633 - 10/14/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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An organic harvest, whether fruits & vegtables or marijuana taste better. Ever smoke pot where the chemicals haven't been flushed out? It's harsh! Or the pot taste like hay b/c only miracle grow was used on them? IMO, the fruits do not differ in nutrients, but there is a big different in flavor.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
#18975649 - 10/14/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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FruitOfLife said: GMO is horrible for you. The only reason the FDA allows it is because of the $$$
Why are they horrible for you?
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
#18975737 - 10/14/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cez said: Are they bad for you and if so why?
I'm happy I can eat.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: KremrBigSikter] 1
#18996092 - 10/18/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Heres something interesting: (NaturalNews) The journal Food and Chemical Toxicology (FCT) has accepted for publication a new study that links exposure to Monsanto's Roundup herbicide, the active ingredient of which is glyphosate, to severe endocrine disruption and breast cancer. And the worst part is that the chemical was found to elicit these and other harmful effects at virtually imperceptible levels in the parts per trillion range, which is far below the levels that commonly occur in the environment and the food supply as a result of misguided corporate agriculture practices.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/042553_Roundup_glyphosate_breast_cancer.html##ixzz2i6uxMQkJ
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: i like cow poo]
#18996403 - 10/18/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i like cow poo said: Heres something interesting: (NaturalNews) The journal Food and Chemical Toxicology (FCT) has accepted for publication a new study that links exposure to Monsanto's Roundup herbicide, the active ingredient of which is glyphosate, to severe endocrine disruption and breast cancer. And the worst part is that the chemical was found to elicit these and other harmful effects at virtually imperceptible levels in the parts per trillion range, which is far below the levels that commonly occur in the environment and the food supply as a result of misguided corporate agriculture practices.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/042553_Roundup_glyphosate_breast_cancer.html##ixzz2i6uxMQkJ
Hahaha Natural News? If it is from natural news it is safe to say that it is totally biased and not accurate, not rational science
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews
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NaturalNews.com (formerly Newstarget) is a website founded by Mike "the Health Ranger" Adams. The site promotes almost every sort of medical woo known to human history, though it specializes in vaccine denialism,[1] AIDS/HIV denial,[2] quack cancer medicine[3] and conspiracy theories about modern medicine.[4] Even other quacks think it's a quack site.[5] The site has recently broadened to include extreme environmentalism and conspiracy theorizing about Obama and gun control. If you cite NaturalNews on any matter whatsoever, you are almost certainly wrong.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18996460 - 10/18/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well damn, I'm kinda glad what they posted isn't true. I searched the internet before I posted and that was the only source. I shouldve known that it was most likely crap. I'm still paranoid about dem goddamn herbicides though
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: i like cow poo]
#18996477 - 10/18/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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your all eating poisons if its not organic
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: abltsandwich]
#18996501 - 10/18/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What does it matter? We're all gonna die anyway. Just eat some fruits and veggies and be happy.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Ballerium]
#18996507 - 10/18/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Guess I'll just go on a rape and murder spree if we're all gonna die anyway. Only question is, rape or murder first hmmmmm.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: abltsandwich]
#18996514 - 10/18/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think you should rape some red herring first.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: encryptor]
#18996544 - 10/18/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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encryptor said: An organic harvest, whether fruits & vegtables or marijuana taste better. Ever smoke pot where the chemicals haven't been flushed out? It's harsh! Or the pot taste like hay b/c only miracle grow was used on them? IMO, the fruits do not differ in nutrients, but there is a big different in flavor.
I researched this a lot and came to the conclusion this is false. I read very convincing arguments that fertilizers are not stored in the buds of marijuana but rather the roots and the whole 'flushing the plant' thing is nothing but a myth. The amounts of chemicals it would take to do something like that would kill a plant long before it showed up in the buds. It's a big debate in the marijuana growers world like a lot of other techniques.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: abltsandwich]
#18996571 - 10/18/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: your all eating poisons even if its organic
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: NotTheDevil]
#18996585 - 10/18/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: your all eating poisons even if its organic
Fixed
Hence my eat fruits and veggies and be happy comment. We're all eating poison and are gonna die anyway. Hooray!
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Ballerium] 1
#18996589 - 10/18/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ballerium said: What does it matter? We're all gonna die anyway. Just eat some fruits and veggies and be happy.
yeah, that's good enough for me.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Ballerium]
#18996648 - 10/18/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It just makes sense to me; eating less pesticides: http://www.mindfully.org/Food/Organic-Less-Pesticides8may02.htm
An interesting look at the issue of Nutrients: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-organic-a-scam-nutrient-differences/#axzz2i7Rr8YB7
"Does Organic Produce Have More Nutrients?"
When reading this report from Life Extension Magazine, note footmarks 15-19 (under "Other Factors Drain Nutrients"): http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/sep2005_report_veggies_01.htm
"Vitamin-less Vegetables"
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: flickedbic]
#18996669 - 10/18/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't get me wrong, I still prefer the taste of whatever these "organic" fruits and veggies are. They definitely seem to have more flavor. But I can't afford all organic all the time, so I try not to lose sleep over it.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Ballerium]
#18996743 - 10/18/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Simply print out/make a list of foods that accumulate pesticide most vs. those where organic doesn't matter; and choose how you buy accordingly.
http://realmomrealliferealfood.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/when-and-why-to-buy-organic/
Fruit and Veg Specific (to Buy Organic):
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1.Nectarines – 97.3% of nectarines sampled were found to contain pesticides. 2.Celery – 94.5% of celery sampled were found to contain pesticides. 3.Pears – 94.4% of pears sampled were found to contain pesticides. 4.Peaches – 93.7% of peaches sampled were found to contain pesticides. 5.Apples – 91% of apples sampled were found to contain pesticides. 6.Cherries – 91% of cherries sampled were found to contain pesticides. 7.Strawberries – 90% of strawberries sampled were found to contain pesticides. 8.Imported Grapes – 86% of imported grapes (i.e. Chile) sampled were found to contain pesticides. 9.Spinach – 83.4% of spinach sampled were found to contain pesticides. 10.Potatoes – 79.3% of potatoes sampled were found to contain pesticides. 11.Bell Peppers – 68% of bell peppers sampled were found to contain pesticides. 12.Red Raspberries – 59% of red raspberries sampled were found to contain pesticides.
http://gourmetfood.about.com/od/slowfoodorganiclocal/a/organicproduce_2.htm
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: flickedbic]
#18996815 - 10/18/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey that is very helpful, thanks!
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Ballerium]
#18996856 - 10/18/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i bought a squash in the store, and it smelt kinda bad, i picked one from my property and it smelt like pumpkin goodness, although it was about half the size
not sure if this contributed, but, I C@N TYPE YAAAAYYY!!!1 8
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: abltsandwich]
#18997309 - 10/18/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: your all eating poisons if its not organic
You aren't going to die any quicker eating inorganic stuff. If our lifespans were much longer than it could be a significant difference, relative to our lifespan now.
Cancer don't care what you eat
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: pcplease]
#18997401 - 10/18/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tell that to Broccoli, for example. 
Cancer cares.
Prevention > Cure
But food also works in treatment: http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20110311/brocolli-may-help-fight-cancer-growth
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: flickedbic]
#18997426 - 10/18/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Preventing cancer doesn't work too well.. but yes cruciferous vegetables are really high in antioxidants. Genetics play the biggest role, but it's still entirely a crap-shoot.
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#18997745 - 10/18/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Only my water and salt are inorganic. Everything else I eat has carbon and is therefore organic.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
#18998028 - 10/18/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mellowparty said: Only my water and salt are inorganic. Everything else I eat has carbon and is therefore organic.
I enjoy the meat of silicon based life forms.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: NotTheDevil]
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
#18998099 - 10/19/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mellowparty said: Only my water and salt are inorganic. Everything else I eat has carbon and is therefore organic.
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mellowparty said: Only my water and salt are inorganic. Everything else I eat has carbon and is therefore organic.
. . . with added man made mystery chems, regardless I still do not eat all organic, but there IS a noticable diff. in taste/quality
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
#18998222 - 10/19/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My views are that fruit/vegetables are really fucking good for the body. I dont eat organic, but do eat a decent amount of fruits/veggies, and I feel awesome!! I really think if you were to put both normal fruits/veggies and organic on a 1-10 health scale it would look something like this:
organic fruits: 9.87 normal fruits: 9.82
bottom line: theyre both super good for you.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18998253 - 10/19/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mellowparty said: Only my water and salt are inorganic. Everything else I eat has carbon and is therefore organic.
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mellowparty said: Only my water and salt are inorganic. Everything else I eat has carbon and is therefore organic.
. . . with added man made mystery chems, regardless I still do not eat all organic, but there IS a noticable diff. in taste/quality
I think the difference in taste/texture is primarily due to genetics. In some cases taste and flavour are compromised for extended shelf-life. The FlavrSavr tomatoes have their polygalacturonase gene fucked up by antisense sequences which preserves the integrity of cells walls but also fails to release its full flavour spectrum.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
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mellowparty said: Only my water and salt are inorganic. Everything else I eat has carbon and is therefore organic.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
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I think the difference in taste/texture is primarily due to genetics. In some cases taste and flavour are compromised for extended shelf-life. The FlavrSavr tomatoes have their polygalacturonase gene fucked up by antisense sequences which preserves the integrity of cells walls but also fails to release its full flavour spectrum.
I like the taste of purple heirloom tomatoes.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Mr. Material]
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My friend's doctor openly admitted to him that the cause of his illness is most likely down to the way his body is reacting to pesticides in the food.
Anyway, it's hard to know who to believe. The pesticide companies say their product is perfectly safe and breaks down in the environment into safe, inert substances. Then there are the claims from farmers with heavy usage of those pesticides of their animals failing to reproduce and having bizarre phantom pregnancies/births, as well as studies done to test this. I'm unaware of whether or not the results have been released yet. I would be curious to find out though.
I don't know about most of the world but over here organic doesn't mean non-gmo, it just means no pesticides or artificial additives and treatments. I would like it to mean the same thing as non-gmo for the same reason as above. There's too much dispute over whether or not is safe. I'd feel better if the technology was perfected more before it starts getting into the food chain.
The problem with GMO is that the results are largely unpredictable. Plants can produce new exotic chemicals that were not intended for, how these will affect humans remains to be seen. The effects might not be detectable for decades. I'd rather not be one of the guinea pigs.
I have noticed even over the past decade a change to the way food tastes, and some foods are inedible for me now because they cause stomach upsets, foods I used to be able to eat. Oranges and nectarines are the worst culprits. They taste sour yet lack sweetness or flavour, some taste like rancid water. Then my abdomen swells like an egg and sometimes I'm outright sick (I don't eat them any more). However if I eat an organic one it'll usually taste like an orange and not cause any problems, that to me is enough personal evidence that there is a difference. I have no idea if it's pesticides or if it's genetic modification but some of those standard suparmarket oranges are nothing like how they should be.
I can't always afford organic but I'll go for it when I can until GMO technology is more advanced and better understood.
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#18998571 - 10/19/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love how people only care about organic food as long as it effects them directly. It's an environmental issue, not a health or taste issue.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Eukaryote11]
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Eukaryote11 said: My friend's doctor openly admitted to him that the cause of his illness is most likely down to the way his body is reacting to pesticides in the food.
And how did the doctor come to this conclusion? Tracing back the exact cause of an illness can be really tricky.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: pcplease] 1
#18998599 - 10/19/13 06:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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pcplease said: Yup. My local produce is cheaper than bulk in the grocery store/WalMart, and the meats cheaper too. As well as tasting 100x better, which is what really counts for me.
Truth , there are a series of community gardens that supply a local organic stand at my favorite market ! Actually several . The meat I eat , is grass fed , Amish raised and slaughtered in a family owned slaughter house just south of me . $12 for 3 pounds of top sirloin , individually rapped by the pound to be frozen and used as needed .
$20 will get me more organic veggies/fruits then I can comfortably carry
We usually spend about $40 to $60 bucks on organic veggies alone ever two weeks. Reason being is because the whole neighborhood and all my friends/family come over nightly for my wife and I's cooking . I believe that attests to the difference in quality of taste , at the very least.
Personally having at one time in my life eaten so much pizza my legs stopped working ( potassium deficiency ) . I can say without a doubt . I have more energy from my balanced organic diet , then when I ate a non organic diet of basically the same stuff !
Overall I'm more awake , I have a seemingly higher tolerance for labor , My mood is noticeably better . I've been eating strictly organic for 3 months now and I've lost 20Lbs !!!
The wife and I just pick a new organic vegetable that we've never cooked before, and is in season at the time . We view it as an exciting challenge to our cooking ability. Basically its fun eating/cooking something new on a weekly basis .
Cut out the bs your putting into your body and you won't regret it . I mean how could you ? That would be like trying to claim commercial grade weed is the same as dank nuggetry .
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
#18998610 - 10/19/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mellowparty said: I think the difference in taste/texture is primarily due to genetics. In some cases taste and flavour are compromised for extended shelf-life. The FlavrSavr tomatoes have their polygalacturonase gene fucked up by antisense sequences which preserves the integrity of cells walls but also fails to release its full flavour spectrum.
That was interesting, so the tomato flavour would be coded you think? I mean you dont think that external factors influence the taste of a vegetable?
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
#18998799 - 10/19/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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KremrBigSikter said: I love how people only care about organic food as long as it effects them directly. It's an environmental issue, not a health or taste issue.
I actually had my roomate bitch about how she didn't care about colony collapse (bees) and that the bees could go fuck themselves. I lost a lot of respect for her after that. There's a lot of humans out there that are self absorbed pieces of shit.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: i like cow poo]
#18999156 - 10/19/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i like cow poo said: There's a lot of humans out there that are self absorbed pieces of shit.
Sure, but professing to "care" about things like that is not necessarily a sign that someone is not self absorbed.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: psi]
#18999208 - 10/19/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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And ignorant people can become aware and un-ignorant. Sometimes people just need to be shown that these things do concern and effect them.
I'm going to assume your roommate is already aware of why the bees are so important though..some people just really don't give a shit.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
#18999382 - 10/19/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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My take is I'm not educated enough on the subject, nor do I have enough money, to worry about buying organic shit. I like the idea, but I know there are plenty of places that break the rules and all that. If I can buy some shit from a local farmer at a market then that's awesome. If I'm at the grocery store I'm just gonna buy the cheapest fucking veggies I see.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
#18999539 - 10/19/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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In a literal sense, humanity has been genetically modifying their food for hundreds of years through agriculture.
Most organic products are a scam, and it doesn't take a whole lot for a company to be labelled "organic".
I would even go to the extent of saying GMO's are more nutritional for you than organic food because of less and less nutrients found in soil from ongoing erosion. Ultimately, GMO's are going to be the solution. So, if you want to blame big corporations, blame them for deforestation and erosion, but biotechnology is the way of the future, and possibly the only thing that can prolong our species.
OP, take a biology class. It's rather easy to find out what is bad and what is good for you in your diet in terms of modified foods. For instance, hydrogenerated oil foods = bad because it's essentially saturated fat. These foods are hydrogenerated so they can solidify, like margarine.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Ballerium] 1
#18999622 - 10/19/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ballerium said: And ignorant people can become aware and un-ignorant. Sometimes people just need to be shown that these things do concern and effect them.
I'm going to assume your roommate is already aware of why the bees are so important though..some people just really don't give a shit. 
I guess what I was getting at is that saying you do or don't think it's important does not in itself have any effect on the bees themselves. Thus, thinking you're the better person for saying it's important while doing nothing about it can be just as self-serving as denying its importance.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: psi]
#18999667 - 10/19/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i like cow poo said: There's a lot of humans out there that are self absorbed pieces of shit.
Sure, but professing to "care" about things like that is not necessarily a sign that someone is not self absorbed.
Ha we all have our egos. Some people are better than others. I'm not saying I'm a wonderful person but I do actively live a lifestyle that is considerate about other living things. At the end of the day we're just over evolved monkeys "mostly" destroying the planet we live on one way or another. My goal is to not be a part of the problem.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: psi]
#18999681 - 10/19/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ballerium said: And ignorant people can become aware and un-ignorant. Sometimes people just need to be shown that these things do concern and effect them.
I'm going to assume your roommate is already aware of why the bees are so important though..some people just really don't give a shit. 
I guess what I was getting at is that saying you do or don't think it's important does not in itself have any effect on the bees themselves. Thus, thinking you're the better person for saying it's important while doing nothing about it can be just as self-serving as denying its importance.
you can do simple stuff like growing flowers they like in your garden though
at leats i think that helps
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
#18999690 - 10/19/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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One of the few things that will prolong our species will be population decrease. Producing more food will MOST LIKELY just encourage more population growth. At this point I really don't give a fuck how much longer humanity lasts. Many people have good hearts but even than the evil that comes from humans is quite disgusting.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: i like cow poo]
#19000088 - 10/19/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The biggest resource on an economic scale is human resource. If we do not find other ways to colonize our species in space, than overpopulation will indeed be a problem. However, when it comes to GMOs, we're probably going to have to use them if we're ever to consider a colony on the Moon, or on Mars.
I don't like it when people just shrug and brush it all off with the whole, "eh, we're doomed anyway" kind of attitude. I'm sure you're an alright person, but of course you care how long humanity lasts. We're talking your genes prolonging, your grandchildren, your grandchildren's children. That mode of thinking is exactly why the Boomer generation is despised.
Everything is quite disgusting to a certain point of view, the way lions hunt, parasites that grow in intestines, bearshits, etc. However, I would argue that we are indeed something beyond animal, even if we still exhibit carnal behavior. We now have the ability to travel through space, control our own evolution, network our entire species, cure diseases, cook mexican food. Monkeys cannot do this. There's a lot of potential we all still have. Then again, I just finished the Mass Effect trilogy, so I'm all pumped about humanity.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Konichiwaffle]
#19001618 - 10/19/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea, I definitely could be wrong. I'm pretty sure space colonization on any notable scale is not going to happen any time soon (next 50 years). Maybe the Mass Effect has got you thinking in sci fi mode. Hell it'd be much easier to clean up this planet than colonize the moon or mars. Its a cool thought though.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: i like cow poo]
#19001834 - 10/19/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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organic is not sprayed with cancer causing chemicals Ill take my vegetables untouched by the hand of man, please and thankyou
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii] 1
#19001949 - 10/19/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: organic is not sprayed with cancer causing chemicals Ill take my vegetables untouched by the hand of man, please and thankyou
Then you will take no vegetables
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii]
#19001952 - 10/19/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: organic is not sprayed with cancer causing chemicals Ill take my vegetables untouched by the hand of man, please and thankyou
Can you site specific scientific evidence that non-organic is sprayed with "cancer causing chemicals" and please do not cite french rat study because it has been proven to be severely biased . . .
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19001997 - 10/19/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/food/risks.htm http://www.toxicsaction.org/problems-and-solutions/pesticides http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/healthyliving/cancercontroversies/pesticides/
 you want this on your food? look what the fucker is wearing. and to the poster above you. in this context my brief response made sense. GMO foods genetically alter nature without genetically altering ourselves. Sacred geometry should be left untouched.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii]
#19002223 - 10/20/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/food/risks.htm http://www.toxicsaction.org/problems-and-solutions/pesticides http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/healthyliving/cancercontroversies/pesticides/
 you want this on your food? look what the fucker is wearing. and to the poster above you. in this context my brief response made sense. GMO foods genetically alter nature without genetically altering ourselves. Sacred geometry should be left untouched.
So does selective breeding
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: SiElDiablo]
#19002230 - 10/20/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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selective breeding selects desirable traits that are already present in what is being breed. gmo changes the dna pattern...
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii]
#19002239 - 10/20/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: selective breeding selects desirable traits that are already present in what is being breed. gmo changes the dna pattern...
to something that is already possible, and could be selectively bred over a long period of time (most likely) (not including spider silk goat's milk)
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii]
#19002521 - 10/20/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: Sacred geometry should be left untouched.
This.
Look at this gem here.
For the love of God, just look at it.
This is what's wrong with the whole GMO debate. There's a real issue, but what do the dumbass simpletons say? "ah, iz a sacrud jommetrie, betta not tush!"
WHAT. FUCKING. SACRED. GEOMETRY??? If you think that nature was 'created' to be 'perfect' in any way, read back on the past 3 billion years of its history and be mesmerized by the mass extinctions, bouts of overpopulation, gazillions of cases of cancer in any conceivable organism, viral infections, massive 'chemical' disasters that are unparalleled by all man-made spills put together, etc. etc.
Anyone who thinks nature is some sort of ideal end state needs to pull his head out of his ass and wipe the poop from his eyes. Nature is basically a pest that morphs just enough to survive under the changing circumstances it is subjected to.
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Nemmies said: selective breeding selects desirable traits that are already present in what is being breed. gmo changes the dna pattern...
You know what would have happened if we hadn't dared to manipulate nature all through our existence? We would have never made it pas a hunter-gatherer society and you and me wouldn't be enjoying the possibility of pondering this interesting fact. If you believe that we shouldn't touch nature, better kill yourself right now because as long as you're human, you'll be on the wrong side of this artificial, unfounded division you just made.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: koraks]
#19002535 - 10/20/13 02:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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GMO foods genetically alter nature without genetically altering ourselves.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii]
#19002578 - 10/20/13 03:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/food/risks.htm http://www.toxicsaction.org/problems-and-solutions/pesticides http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/healthyliving/cancercontroversies/pesticides/
 you want this on your food? look what the fucker is wearing. and to the poster above you. in this context my brief response made sense. GMO foods genetically alter nature without genetically altering ourselves. Sacred geometry should be left untouched.
This was quoted from one of the articles you posted, and it is completely true . . .
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For now, the evidence is not strong enough to give us any clear answers.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
#19002581 - 10/20/13 03:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh really? So you are implying that you think GMO foods actually change our DNA?
LMFAO
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19002594 - 10/20/13 03:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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GMO foods genetically alter nature without genetically altering ourselves.
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Oh really? So you are implying that you think GMO foods actually change our DNA?
LMFAO
Yes, just because you're a moron and can't comprehend how doesn't mean its not possible.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
#19002602 - 10/20/13 03:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read they banned it in Japan and other countries
Also if the shit is like some sort of strain that takes out all the others there could be some world ending shit at hand
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
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Oh really? So you are implying that you think GMO foods actually change our DNA?
LMFAO
Yes, just because you're a moron and can't comprehend how doesn't mean its not possible.
Hahah it is so funny to see when someone has nothing to back up their argument they resort to flaming people by calling them a moron.
lol The fact remains, GMO foods do not change our DNA. Where is your source proving that, or is that something you just pulled out of your ass?
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
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LiquidGlass said: Hahah it is so funny to see when someone has nothing to back up their argument they resort to flaming people by calling them a moron.
lol The fact remains, GMO foods do not change our DNA. Where is your source proving that, or is that something you just pulled out of your ass?
You are too arrogant and I will not bless you with my extensive knowledge in the field of plant RNA biology and germ line epigenetics. The fact remains that plant RNAs enter your body untouched and can change the methylation pattern of your sperm so the children of your grandchildren will pay the price for what you ate today.
If I wanted to I could make tomatoes that give you liver cancer (or cure it whatever).
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
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lol The fact remains, GMO foods do not change our DNA. Where is your source proving that, or is that something you just pulled out of your ass?
You are too arrogant and I will not bless you with my extensive knowledge in the field of plant RNA biology and germ line epigenetics. The fact remains that plant RNAs enter your body untouched and can change the methylation pattern of your sperm so the children of your grandchildren will pay the price for what you ate today.
If I wanted to I could make tomatoes that give you liver cancer (or cure it whatever).
Until you produce any factual evidence you are talking out of your ass, but do not have shit to say
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19002650 - 10/20/13 04:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If that helps your little brain cope with the reality of the situation then ok and besides I've given you enough keywords to do your own research and not rely on others like an info parasite. Look up miR168a, piwi RNAs, exosomes, HEN1 2'O-methyltransferase, lamarckian epigenetics.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
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None of that is specific to GMO and you know it. If you mean to say that there are mechanisms that allow external factors to trigger changes in the DNA in existing organisms, then yeah, sure - but we knew that already. We just learn new routes all the time. However, this doesn't serve as an argument that GMO is inherently more dangerous than, well, life in general.
Again, why don't the anti-GMO-tards quit befuddling the GMO debate? We might actually get somewhere if they don't do that. Like I said before, there are real issues at hand; why not focus on specific ones instead of arguing that "there's a risk somewhere in there, so the whole concept of GM is inherently bad?"
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: koraks]
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None of that is specific to GMO and you know it.
I agree but I still use it as an argument cause GMO plants are still plants :troll: Also we've and the plants have evolved together so there would have been some selective pressure balancing out the interkingdom transfer of genetic modulators, whether they act merely at the post-transcriptional (in the miR168a rice story) or epigenetic level (I firmly believe this is true, its an extremely hot topic of research at the moment).
However, since we've evolved around these mechanisms we must have adapted to a certain degree. Some of the new GMO plants would utilize strategies to impact directly on the RNA systems inside insects. That is the plants will deliver engineered microRNAs inside the insects gut and fuck up their gene expression i.e. kill them.
Who's to say we can control what ever single RNA we engineer would do to our bodies especially our liver and germ cells. Its not like we know everything about microRNAs and the exomiRNA RITS complex interactions at the chromatin landscape. Studies have shown that the level of nutrition our grandparents experienced affects our health today and the function exhibited high regression coefficient (I'm trying to dig out this finding atm).
I'm pro GMO research and I think GMO would help solve the world hunger problem but there are dangers we haven't even conceptualized yet. While the effect on later generations decades later is not one of them I wouldn't like to think the teams working on those new anti insect plants would have missed some sequence that could neutralize a tumour suppressor or DNA damage repair gene expression in our bodies. I only hope that if they can break it they can also fix it.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
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I see what you mean, but that argument doesn't necessarily seem valid to me. Evolution is a dynamic process, and the evolution of several species next to each other is therefore very likely to be pushed out of balance pretty much all the time. One of the things in this thread that really worries me is that many people seem to regard the ecosystem as some sort of static system that is in an ideal state. It isn't. It's a big mess with many species competing for the same resources. Any balance is really just the result of people perceiving that it's there, while it really is a system that is in constant motion with the current state being just the way things happen to be today. I really think humanity should stop being so obsessed with trying to lock an inherently dynamic system into a steady state. It's a pretty hopeless effort that could easily have exactly the opposite result from what we intend to achieve.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
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None of that is specific to GMO and you know it.
I agree but I still use it as an argument cause GMO plants are still plants :troll: Also we've and the plants have evolved together so there would have been some selective pressure balancing out the interkingdom transfer of genetic modulators, whether they act merely at the post-transcriptional (in the miR168a rice story) or epigenetic level (I firmly believe this is true, its an extremely hot topic of research at the moment).
However, since we've evolved around these mechanisms we must have adapted to a certain degree. Some of the new GMO plants would utilize strategies to impact directly on the RNA systems inside insects. That is the plants will deliver engineered microRNAs inside the insects gut and fuck up their gene expression i.e. kill them.
Who's to say we can control what ever single RNA we engineer would do to our bodies especially our liver and germ cells. Its not like we know everything about microRNAs and the exomiRNA RITS complex interactions at the chromatin landscape. Studies have shown that the level of nutrition our grandparents experienced affects our health today and the function exhibited high regression coefficient (I'm trying to dig out this finding atm).
I'm pro GMO research and I think GMO would help solve the world hunger problem but there are dangers we haven't even conceptualized yet. While the effect on later generations decades later is not one of them I wouldn't like to think the teams working on those new anti insect plants would have missed some sequence that could neutralize a tumour suppressor or DNA damage repair gene expression in our bodies. I only hope that if they can break it they can also fix it.
So basically what you are implying is that you have no evidence to support your theory that food can change our DNA. You could have saved yourself a lot of time and just said that in the beginning
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
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None of that is specific to GMO and you know it.
I agree but I still use it as an argument cause GMO plants are still plants :troll: Also we've and the plants have evolved together so there would have been some selective pressure balancing out the interkingdom transfer of genetic modulators, whether they act merely at the post-transcriptional (in the miR168a rice story) or epigenetic level (I firmly believe this is true, its an extremely hot topic of research at the moment).
However, since we've evolved around these mechanisms we must have adapted to a certain degree. Some of the new GMO plants would utilize strategies to impact directly on the RNA systems inside insects. That is the plants will deliver engineered microRNAs inside the insects gut and fuck up their gene expression i.e. kill them.
Who's to say we can control what ever single RNA we engineer would do to our bodies especially our liver and germ cells. Its not like we know everything about microRNAs and the exomiRNA RITS complex interactions at the chromatin landscape. Studies have shown that the level of nutrition our grandparents experienced affects our health today and the function exhibited high regression coefficient (I'm trying to dig out this finding atm).
I'm pro GMO research and I think GMO would help solve the world hunger problem but there are dangers we haven't even conceptualized yet. While the effect on later generations decades later is not one of them I wouldn't like to think the teams working on those new anti insect plants would have missed some sequence that could neutralize a tumour suppressor or DNA damage repair gene expression in our bodies. I only hope that if they can break it they can also fix it.
So basically what you are implying is that you have no evidence to support your theory that food can change our DNA. You could have saved yourself a lot of time and just said that in the beginning
Food can change how our genes work at the post transcriptional level. There is an overwhelming body of evidence suggesting that analogous endogenous mechanisms physically change our DNA at the chemical level and its extremely likely that plant food could operate in a similar manner. You can dismiss the pieces of the puzzle all you want but I believe that food affects our DNA at the epigenetic level. I believe it would be definitively proven in the next 5-10 years because all the evidence points towards that.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics In biology, and specifically genetics, epigenetics is the study of mitotically or meiotically heritable changes in gene expression or cellular phenotype, caused by mechanisms other than changes in the underlying DNA sequence—hence the name epi- (Greek: επί- over, above, outer) -genetics.[1] It refers to functionally relevant modifications to the genome that do not involve a change in the nucleotide sequence. Examples of such modifications are DNA methylation and histone modification, both of which serve to regulate gene expression without altering the underlying DNA sequence
So yeah as I was saying, food cannot change our DNA. Until you have evidence your theory has no basis. You suggest I look up this or that, but why would I waste my time doing that when I am not the one making a false claim. That would be you.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
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caused by mechanisms other than changes in the underlying DNA sequence
Did I say anything about changes in the DNA sequences? Chemical changes on DNA bases are still DNA changes. On a more abstract level you have heritable changes in the proteins that are intimately associated with DNA and ultimately affect its function and properties. MicroRNAs and other small RNA species modify these changes in DNA/chromatin having an effect on your health and physiology. Whats stopping plant microRNAs doing the same?
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
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Did I say anything about changes in the DNA sequences?
You did say this.
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GMO foods genetically alter nature without genetically altering ourselves.
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And no GMO foods do not alter our DNA. This is the mechanism of epigenetics :
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Nutrients can reverse or change epigenetic phenomena such as DNA methylation and histone modifications, thereby modifying the expression of critical genes associated with physiologic and pathologic processes, including embryonic development, aging, and carcinogenesis. It appears that nutrients and bioactive food components can influence epigenetic phenomena either by directly inhibiting enzymes that catalyze DNA methylation or histone modifications, or by altering the availability of substrates necessary for those enzymatic reactions.
And it DOES NOT alter our genes as you claim in the above post
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
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So thats not food genetically altering ourselves even if said changes have an effect generations later? And no I did not specify changes in the DNA sequence. On the other hand epigenetic changes can have an effect as drastic as that of sequence alterations if not more profound effect.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19002779 - 10/20/13 06:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Congratulations on being locked into a by now meaningless, semantic discussion on the scope of the term 'genetics'. What is the relevance to the yes-or-no-to-GMO discussion of your desperately trying to get mellowparty to say that you're right?
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: koraks]
#19002794 - 10/20/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also if the sun or a smoked cigarette can change your DNA why wouldn't a plant be able to do the same? What if those RNAi plants shutdown DNA repair genes and thus indirectly promote heterogenous changes in your somatic cells. It wouldn't be too fantastic to have this happen in your germ line helping you transmit a not so epigenetic change to your offspring.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
#19002802 - 10/20/13 06:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, but then again, in a GMO debate, the questions would be: * is the chance of this happening higher with GMO's than with unmodified organisms? * is the impact bigger with GMO's than with unmodified organisms? There's quite a few real questions attached to the GMO debate. Unfortunately, they are rarely asked (let alone answered).
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii]
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Nemmies said: organic is not sprayed with cancer causing chemicals Ill take my vegetables untouched by the hand of man, please and thankyou
you're wrong and clearly have no idea what you're talking about
organic pesticides are actually worse than the synthetic counterparts, organic crops can be sprayed with synthetics but only for a total of 5% of the quantities used, the problem is that people foolish enough to believe that organic means better, they're clearly not doing any reading on the subject. a simple truth is that the organic pesticides tend to be far more harmful than other products and 100% of the pesticide used on organic crops can be organic and can cause cancer
http://pesticidetruths.com/2011/11/27/organic-pesticides-cause-cancer-in-rats-and-mice-omri-listed/
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: I don't usually buy them. One because they are usually loaded with pesticides/herbicides.
Two because non-organic usually means GMO these days. Here's a few more reasons.
lol... just like the organics
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: koraks]
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koraks said: Congratulations on being locked into a by now meaningless, semantic discussion on the scope of the term 'genetics'. What is the relevance to the yes-or-no-to-GMO discussion of your desperately trying to get mellowparty to say that you're right?
I was calling him out on telling somebody that they were incorrect on something that they were not incorrect about. And he has still failed to prove that. i do not really care if he says I am right or not, he has no proof to back up what he is saying and therefore is now trying to change his argument.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
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Chemical changes on DNA bases are still DNA changes
umm no, they are changes to enzymes that DNA associates with, not changes to DNA itself
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So thats not food genetically altering ourselves even if said changes have an effect generations later? And no I did not specify changes in the DNA sequence.
Altering "ourselves" is not the same thing as altering our genetics as you implied was possible. And you still fail to produce any sound evidence of this.
You are just angry because you got called out for telling someone they were wrong when you were really just trolling or whatever it was you were trying to accomplish. Now you are backed into a corner and have too much pride to admit your mistake
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
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Chemical changes on DNA bases are still DNA changes
umm no, they are changes to enzymes that DNA associates with, not changes to DNA itself
Incorrect.
C-5 in cytosine can accept methyl groups from S-adenosylmethionine which can then be hydroxylated and further modified by many enzymatic activities.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
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LiquidGlass said: And he has still failed to prove that.
And you have still failed to prove how your hair splitting relates to the GMO debate. Now let's hear it.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
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LiquidGlass said: And he has still failed to prove that.
And you have still failed to prove how your hair splitting relates to the GMO debate. Now let's hear it.
So when did I say that it relates to the debate? Now lets hear why you are involving yourself in such a pointless debate.
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Chemical changes on DNA bases are still DNA changes
umm no, they are changes to enzymes that DNA associates with, not changes to DNA itself
Incorrect.
C-5 in cytosine can accept methyl groups from S-adenosylmethionine which can then be hydroxylated and further modified by many enzymatic activities.

It is still not actually altering our genes, good try though
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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i buy local. i have worked at the farm I buy 90 percent of my produce from. they do not spray anything. excuse my broad statement.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii]
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I buy local as much as I can, too. The only problem is, I live in an area that has a short growing season, so if I wanted to eat locally grown food all year long, I'd be eating mostly potatoes and turnip all winter.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: thelanzii]
#19005205 - 10/20/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: i buy local. i have worked at the farm I buy 90 percent of my produce from. they do not spray anything. excuse my broad statement.
the problem is that 90% of the US organic market share is controlled by Con-Agra, and HJ Heinz which leaves fewer than 10% as smaller local growers which dont use anything we'd consider harmful but my points are that organic isnt always less harmful to the environment and that most og the organic produce isnt what people believe it to be
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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It is still not actually altering our genes, good try though
 You have made it obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
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It is still not actually altering our genes, good try though
 You have made it obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about.
And yet you still have failed to produce any evidence that GMO foods actually alter our genes . . .
. . . Still waiting
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
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It is still not actually altering our genes, good try though
 You have made it obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about.
And yet you still have failed to produce any evidence that GMO foods actually alter our genes . . .
. . . Still waiting
Don't change the subject, you were wrong on the DNA change thing, then I showed you had no idea what you're talking about and you still won't accept that chemical changes alter our genes.
And here is an example of how plant RNAs can change the way your genes work. http://www.nature.com/cr/journal/v22/n1/full/cr2011158a.html
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
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It is still not actually altering our genes, good try though
 You have made it obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about.
And yet you still have failed to produce any evidence that GMO foods actually alter our genes . . .
. . . Still waiting
Don't change the subject, you were wrong on the DNA change thing, then I showed you had no idea what you're talking about and you still won't accept that chemical changes alter our genes.
And here is an example of how plant RNAs can change the way your genes work. http://www.nature.com/cr/journal/v22/n1/full/cr2011158a.html
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These findings demonstrate that exogenous plant miRNAs in food can regulate the expression of target genes in mammals.
Sorry, but that is not considered altering our genes.
I have not changed the subject one little bit. And changing the way are genes work is not equal nor the same thing as altering our genes, but again, good try
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
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And changing the way are genes work is not equal nor the same thing as altering our genes
The genes are only relevant in terms of the flow of genetic information. If you change the flow of information you obviously alter the genes mode of action. You can have an inactive gene and change it all you want but its not going to have any effect on life whatsoever.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
#19006383 - 10/20/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also those chemical changes I described are considered actual gene changes regardless of what you think you understand or know (which you clearly don't as you demonstrated when you denounced base modifications). That sort of changes can be transmitted through generations and have a profound effect on the somatic cells of said generation. It has been shown that the nutritional intake of people some 60-70 years ago has an effect on health today in terms of diabetes and heart disease frequency.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
#19006397 - 10/20/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok well you obviously are not going to provide any actual evidence of this theory of yours so am just going to stop responding to you. If you do happen to provide this evidence I would gladly change my position on the issue. Thanks
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
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http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/53/5/766.full
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small RNAs are involved in the induction of DNA methylation
If there is a set of highly conserved housekeeping genes in plants and animals and plant microRNAs can get into our bloodstream what is potentially stopping those small RNAs from changing our highly conserved housekeeping machinery (since small RNAs operate in a sequence-dependent manner).
You don't think there is a chance some greedy corporation would use RNAi in plants to kill insect pests and inadvertently mess with the consumers gene status.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: mellowparty]
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: HeroMike]
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I'm a vegetarian and I don't really care about organic. Whatever's cheaper is what I get.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: kneesocks]
#19011394 - 10/21/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They just dont taste the same as good ole, organic edible awesomeness.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: HeroMike]
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http://naturalsociety.com/gm-wheat-permanently-alter-human-genome/
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
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Demonic_Chronic said: They just dont taste the same as good ole, organic edible awesomeness.
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because in most cases the produce is picked early so it can survive shipping across the country but then it's exposed to ethylene gas to speed ripening
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http://naturalsociety.com/gm-wheat-permanently-alter-human-genome/
that's a naturalist nutter site
So knowing you pris , I assume its an overly liberal site ? Using fear tactics and no factual evidence?
Honestly This thread has been a lot of back and forth with little factual evidence toward either side .
I buy all my food from a local farmers market , I do that because I cannot grow everything I want to eat all year(yet).
I think that growing your own food is the only way to be safe either way .
But I guess what I'd like to see , is a non complicated answer to a complicated question. I guess that is what we all want .
My opinion GMO's are untested and rejected out right in Europe without proper labeling (in some cases all together) , for a reason .
Cancer seems to be just part of the pilgrimage of the poor these days . If the goal of this thread is to argue then whats the point ?
I understand its heated and heavily emotional debate . But if this thread is to have a constructive purpose I encourage everyone to weigh both sides .
Personally I will grow/know where my food comes from . I know thats not possible for everyone (or necessary) but I feel like at least I've made an attempt .
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: HeroMike]
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Honestly This thread has been a lot of back and forth with little factual evidence toward either side . . .I understand its heated and heavily emotional debate . But if this thread is to have a constructive purpose I encourage everyone to weigh both sides .
Welcome to the debate of GMO and not just on this site, but if you follow it at all elswhere it is pretty much the same.
I myself am on the fence. I probably will stay that way. I eat a lot of organic stuff, but I eat some GMO as well. What I do not eat is processed foods that have ingredients I cannot identify, and I stopped eating all wheat recently
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass] 1
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I don't see much evidence that GM products are harmful to people. There is a lot of evidence that the modified genes are showing up in otherwise unmodified organisms. There may come a time when the entire genome of entire species (and closely related species) will have these sequences in them. This bothers me. There is just no way to control cross pollination of a non GM crop with a neighbor's GM brand crop.
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: LiquidGlass]
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Honestly This thread has been a lot of back and forth with little factual evidence toward either side . . .I understand its heated and heavily emotional debate . But if this thread is to have a constructive purpose I encourage everyone to weigh both sides .
Welcome to the debate of GMO and not just on this site, but if you follow it at all elswhere it is pretty much the same.
I myself am on the fence. I probably will stay that way. I eat a lot of organic stuff, but I eat some GMO as well. What I do not eat is processed foods that have ingredients I cannot identify, and I stopped eating all wheat recently
Curious , did you quit eating wheat because of the gmo cross pollination ?
I've been eating Durum Wheat pasta and after a little googling didn't see much of any research stating it to be cross contaminated with GMO's . If I'm wrong about this particular wheat I'd sure like to know because this stuff is cheap and tasty . http://www.barillagroup.com/corporate/en/home/media/posizioni-aziendali/grano-duro-barilla.html
3 bucks for 3 boxes of non gmo pasta thank you Jesus !
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: HeroMike]
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Honestly This thread has been a lot of back and forth with little factual evidence toward either side . . .I understand its heated and heavily emotional debate . But if this thread is to have a constructive purpose I encourage everyone to weigh both sides .
Welcome to the debate of GMO and not just on this site, but if you follow it at all elswhere it is pretty much the same.
I myself am on the fence. I probably will stay that way. I eat a lot of organic stuff, but I eat some GMO as well. What I do not eat is processed foods that have ingredients I cannot identify, and I stopped eating all wheat recently
Curious , did you quit eating wheat because of the gmo cross pollination ?
I've been eating Durum Wheat pasta and after a little googling didn't see much of any research stating it to be cross contaminated with GMO's . If I'm wrong about this particular wheat I'd sure like to know because this stuff is cheap and tasty . http://www.barillagroup.com/corporate/en/home/media/posizioni-aziendali/grano-duro-barilla.html
3 bucks for 3 boxes of non gmo pasta thank you Jesus !
No it was mainly due to the fact that I keep hearing or reading about how wheat is bad for you, supposedly it is not even close to same as it was a while back. Been hearing people say how much better they feel after cutting wheat out of their diet. I have not researched it for myself, but one benefit is(including that i dont eat any processed sugar) is that it keeps me from eating a lot of junk food.
I have always leaned towards the natural, minimally processed idea of eating, but only within the past month have i ben really strict, and decided not to eat any wheat, gluten, sugar, or anything else with ingredients I cannot easily identify
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Re: What's your views on fruit/veggies that aren't organic? [Re: cez]
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The first 37 pages of the book Grub: ideas for an urban organic kitchen by Anna Lappé and Bryant Terry serves as a great introduction for what organic food is. This selection from the book can be accessed via the following link and no download is required, but you may download it if you want: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3BBccfPNsX8OV84UzR6NG80Nms/edit?usp=sharing
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I neglected to include the last few pages of references. I'll add them later.
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