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Amanita virosa
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Lime bath I,m a believer
#18972638 - 10/13/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So we had six jars of brat g1spawn that showed green. My partner Chris decided to experiment with lime bath. He soaked rye straw (it had lots of berries in it) in ph12 lime bath for 24 hrs open air drip dryish packed into buckets green moldy trich spawned. Of course this would be ridiculous in a sterilized sub the mold would thrive, but in the high ph invironment the mold stalled and the oyster quickly over grew it. Now look at it. Yup. Moldy spawn grew these.
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Nice experiment and even cooler results.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: Jeff]
#18972684 - 10/13/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice! How big are the holes in your bucket?
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Groundbreaking.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18972778 - 10/13/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass said: Nice! How big are the holes in your bucket?
1/2". I should note that there were clear patches of mold in all the jars but plenty of Myc as well. We made six buckets and they all worked even though some jars had a lot more mold than others. We are running more tests now and may go to this method for all oysters except kings. It would save us time money resources.
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thanks for experimenting on that ^_^ , really good to know.
we know of the green mold that it likes more acidic environments, but maybe oyster myc also excretes more acids by its own, neutralizing the ph in its direct environment and expanding faster?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: forrest]
#18974655 - 10/13/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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DO you leave the lid on when growing
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18974985 - 10/14/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's very interesting. What was the mouldy spawn ratio? (rushes off to rescue a couple of bags of minutely contaminated yellow G3) Was this an indoor grow?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: solarity]
#18975168 - 10/14/13 03:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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wow, that is incredible. how bad was the contamination before spawning? thanks for sharing.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: deadmandave]
#18975291 - 10/14/13 04:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This Lime method, when the mushrooms grows, are they considered organic?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: bik123]
#18975764 - 10/14/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well limestone is a naturally occuring rock and hydrated lime is just cooked limestone. seems pretty natural and organic, to me.
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Thank you for sharing. Congratulations on your success.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: deadmandave]
#18978451 - 10/14/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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deadmandave said: wow, that is incredible. how bad was the contamination before spawning? thanks for sharing.
Visible mold in all six jars. Some worse than others. Yes hydrated lime is accepted in organic production. Spawn rate three cups in a five gallon bucket. Here's another picture.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: snakebite]
#18978495 - 10/14/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very nice experiment!
I am currently soap soaking cardboard for an indoor oyster grow. I have never tried this, got the idea from Aloha, but the Ph goals are the same, just ass hardwood ash and I suppose even lye.
Edited by cubenpete (10/14/13 08:29 PM)
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: cubenpete]
#18978610 - 10/14/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ill be jumping on this bandwagon also....why not lime tek for kings?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: t3chnobily]
#18979748 - 10/15/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Buckeye did Kings in a bleach bath. I have tried several times to re-create that with lime and lime + pasteurisation and just got mould - even with sterile inoculation. I am still trying, I think I need a higher spawn ratio and a faster KO strain. - I'm going to revert to the strain he used rather than my commercial one.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: solarity]
#18980215 - 10/15/13 06:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Really neat Amanita! This lime bath tech really seems promising, gonna pick up some lime today finally.
BTW would you consider that "Brat" oyster a blue oyster, or grey? What color are the mature fruits? Or you could just post pics of the flush when its ready
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: Aleon]
#18980233 - 10/15/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Depends on temp. At 50 degrees they look like this. They get boring grey above 70.
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Works a treat for Kings, on straw or sawdust.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: worowa]
#18984810 - 10/16/13 04:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Any idea if you could use Sodium Carbonate(Washing Soda) instead of lime?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: worowa]
#18985080 - 10/16/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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worowa said: Works a treat for Kings, on straw or sawdust.
Pics?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: Aleon] 1
#18986170 - 10/16/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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one last shot taken today. we averaged a couple of pounds first flush per bucket. not bad for spawn that woulda got thrown out. And we ended up with almost 15 extra pounds of mush for market.
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DO you do anything to promote the second flush? DO you rip or cut to harvest?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18987185 - 10/16/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sorry to ask but the straw was only soaked? No heat-pasteurisation?
Looks like a lot of time and work saved (plus the saved grains)
This is cool, really  Thanks for sharing
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: BlackPeace]
#18987337 - 10/16/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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BlackPeace said: I'm sorry to ask but the straw was only soaked? No heat-pasteurisation?
Looks like a lot of time and work saved (plus the saved grains)
This is cool, really  Thanks for sharing
Not only was it just soaked in lime but moldy spawn was used to inoculate. That's why we tried it in the first place. No we do not do anything to induce a second flush. Just wait and they will come. We always break or pull the clusters. We find that the cut "stump" seems to increase trich growth. Some vars worse than others. Lions mane is the worst! Never cut lions mane.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: loggrower]
#18987346 - 10/16/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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loggrower said: Any idea if you could use Sodium Carbonate(Washing Soda) instead of lime?
Nope. The sodium would kill the Myc for sure.
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Very interesting, I was just asking somewhere else about this very thing Thanks for posting your results
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This thing is amazing. Awesome!
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: bik123]
#18989604 - 10/17/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bik123 said: This Lime method, when the mushrooms grows, are they considered organic?
I believe so. Here is a link to a previous thread where we discussed the subject.
@Amanita virosa: Damn good thinkin'. Ground breaking research! I am glad to see this level of experimentation here, it's really what makes this board worth while.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: OICU812]
#18989894 - 10/17/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm scared to death of trich these days so very brave work!
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: OICU812]
#18989993 - 10/17/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bik123 said: This Lime method, when the mushrooms grows, are they considered organic?
I believe so. Here is a link to a previous thread where we discussed the subject.
@Amanita virosa: Damn good thinkin'. Ground breaking research! I am glad to see this level of experimentation here, it's really what makes this board worth while.
was my partner chris's idea. hes is one stubborn sombitch. and frugal. hates to throw anything away. honestly, i was skeptical and even bitched at him about it; "dump that shit out and move on" I told him. but he was persistant and it worked. now i am grateful. he is also a master at cloning. everything he clones lives and is uncontaminated. true lab ninja. today he is cloning this...
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loggrower said: Any idea if you could use Sodium Carbonate(Washing Soda) instead of lime?
Nope. The sodium would kill the Myc for sure.
You can use tide washing detergent/ ivory soap etc. for the bath. I used ivory dish soap and it worked just fine.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lipa]
#18990574 - 10/17/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some advice for those considering a lime shower or tub for processing straw with lime.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18990568/vc/1#18990568
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lipa]
#18993337 - 10/17/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lipa said: Some advice for those considering a lime shower or tub for processing straw with lime.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18990568/vc/1#18990568
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Nice wright-up Lipa! Definitely points to consider and plan into the design of a lime shower.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: OICU812]
#18998126 - 10/19/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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do you guys add gypsum to the bath together with lime, or later to the pasteurised straw (if you add it) ?
out of the 5 or six times i did the lime pasteurisation, a few times didn't go so well (meaning bacteria or even trich), some went very well, both counting for oyster and cubes. and in retrospect i'm thinking the times that didn't go well might be the ones where i added gypsum to the bath. as i read earlyer this week in general cultivation that gypsum is a ph-buffer, i thought it might have prevented the ph from getting high enough. what do you think?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: forrest]
#18998320 - 10/19/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do not use it on my grains because I use popcorn and never have a problem with them sticking together, I do however throw a handful into the sub BEFORE pasteurizing
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18999427 - 10/19/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Excellent, thanks Lipa. I have just added a lime shower to my tank, and I will follow your advice and add a drain to the settling tank.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: solarity]
#19000447 - 10/19/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm running a second test batch now with Shitake S75 on limed straw. First test batch with King and Pink Oysters is showing mild contam, but I only soaked for 17 hours (read 16-18 was best) and didn't stir it occationally. I don't have a circulating system yet, but will build one eventially. Soaked the second batch for around 20 hours, but next batch I'll go for the 24 hr soak since you are having good results AV. Are you using High-Yeild brand lime?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: ghiajake]
#19001401 - 10/19/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ghiajake said: I'm running a second test batch now with Shitake S75 on limed straw. First test batch with King and Pink Oysters is showing mild contam, but I only soaked for 17 hours (read 16-18 was best) and didn't stir it occationally. I don't have a circulating system yet, but will build one eventially. Soaked the second batch for around 20 hours, but next batch I'll go for the 24 hr soak since you are having good results AV. Are you using High-Yeild brand lime?
Bonide hydrated lime from lowes. Even more surprising is that it has a 22% percent mg level. Isnt that supposed to be too high? Just noticed that today. Brats don't care apparently.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: forrest]
#19001828 - 10/19/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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forrest said: do you guys add gypsum to the bath together with lime, or later to the pasteurised straw (if you add it) ?
out of the 5 or six times i did the lime pasteurisation, a few times didn't go so well (meaning bacteria or even trich), some went very well, both counting for oyster and cubes. and in retrospect i'm thinking the times that didn't go well might be the ones where i added gypsum to the bath. as i read earlyer this week in general cultivation that gypsum is a ph-buffer, i thought it might have prevented the ph from getting high enough. what do you think?
Gypsum does not change the ph singinicantly.
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anyone fruited yellow oysters on lime treated straw? mine always stalled out, but I'm not sure if there was other contam
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ghiajake said: I'm running a second test batch now with Shitake S75 on limed straw. First test batch with King and Pink Oysters is showing mild contam, but I only soaked for 17 hours (read 16-18 was best) and didn't stir it occationally. I don't have a circulating system yet, but will build one eventially. Soaked the second batch for around 20 hours, but next batch I'll go for the 24 hr soak since you are having good results AV. Are you using High-Yeild brand lime?
Bonide hydrated lime from lowes. Even more surprising is that it has a 22% percent mg level. Isnt that supposed to be too high? Just noticed that today. Brats don't care apparently.
Some oyster strains will tolerate it some won't. I had good success with the brats too on the same brand
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lipa]
#19033145 - 10/25/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's pics of the Pinks I have growing on my first batch of lime pasteurized straw. Have to say I'm a believer too! 
  
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: ghiajake]
#19034637 - 10/26/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pinning up nicely!! Good deal! Still waiting for someone to pull it off with kings.
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I've got Kings going too. Moved them outside on my porch in a minitub to cold shock and fruit them. I'll posted pics if they do anything. The myc colonized about the same as the Pinks, albeit a little slower.
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Amanita virosa said: Pinning up nicely!! Good deal! Still waiting for someone to pull it off with kings.
It's been done, I've got lots more photos, but crap internet. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18909806#18909806
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: worowa]
#19053870 - 10/29/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool beans! How Did u get the sawdust back down to carrying capacity after soaking?
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While i can't speak for worowa, when i tried lime pasteurizing sawdust i simply hydrated the sawdust to field capacity with lime water. Let is sit for 18 hours and then mixed in the spawn.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: deadmandave]
#19054662 - 10/29/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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deadmandave said: While i can't speak for worowa, when i tried lime pasteurizing sawdust i simply hydrated the sawdust to field capacity with lime water. Let is sit for 18 hours and then mixed in the spawn.
Do you have a lime:water ratio you used? I don't have a PH meter anymore.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: Forrester]
#19055572 - 10/30/13 01:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting ideas.
my only comment would be that most oysters recovers well and their speed for of mycelial growth is also an advantage.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: Zen Peddler]
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Glad someone brought up the lime and sawdust. I was talking to my business partner the other day about trying this out. I would also love to know the ratio.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: Forrester]
#19056697 - 10/30/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Forrester said: Do you have a lime:water ratio you used? I don't have a PH meter anymore.
Err.. I havent been keeping track so much of how much lime but the one time i tried it with sawdust i wrote down that i used 5800cc of water and 50 grams of hydrated lime. Tested with my ph paper it was a ph of 12. So something like 1:100, lime to water BUT that was a one time experiment and i could've added more than necessary.
btw i recommend ya'll get some ph paper - its cheap and eases my mind as to how much lime i have added.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: deadmandave] 1
#19056726 - 10/30/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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One pound of hydrated lime to 25 gal of water will make a ph of 12. Assuming you keep the hydrated lime in an air tight container till you use it. It loses its ability to change ph as it absorbs water from the air. you can do the math to reduce this ratio in either direction.
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Sweet, thanks guys. Didn't know that about it absorbing moisture, good to know!
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: Forrester]
#19056872 - 10/30/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had guesstimated the ratio to be 1 lb lime to 30 gallons of water. Glad to see I wasn't far off. I'll be getting pH strips for sure.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: ghiajake]
#19056936 - 10/30/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can get the electronic ones pretty cheap now, we use one at my work and it's pretty accurate (although it probably wasn't a super cheap one). I might give a cheapo version a shot for $15, I hate those papers.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: Forrester]
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Let me know how the $15 one works Forrester.
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Cool beans! How Did u get the sawdust back down to carrying capacity after soaking?
If you read through that last thread, you'll see how I do it. Basically use too much solution, then tip off excess.
I got 1000's of pH strips for nix from alibaba...no need to be precise, just use a bit too much lime, once the water is saturated with lime, the rest of the lime wont absorb. pH starts around 13.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: worowa]
#19057945 - 10/30/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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worowa said: Cool beans! How Did u get the sawdust back down to carrying capacity after soaking?
I got 1000's of pH strips for nix from alibaba...no need to be precise, just use a bit too much lime, once the water is saturated with lime, the rest of the lime wont absorb. pH starts around 13.
this is my method. just saturate it. 1qt/55gal seems about right.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: Forrester]
#19058173 - 10/30/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Forrester said: You can get the electronic ones pretty cheap now, we use one at my work and it's pretty accurate (although it probably wasn't a super cheap one). I might give a cheapo version a shot for $15, I hate those papers.
Don't waste ur money on cheaply ph meters they not work for shit. Use ph test strips. Very accurate. You can also use universal ph indicator in liquid form . One drop in 1ml of solution will tell you the ph.
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Agreed. I like the paper strips best. RR
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19060624 - 10/30/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I ordered mine off amazon for like 30 cents for a book of 100 or so. They took almost a month to get here but 500 strips should last a while.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19063004 - 10/31/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's pics from the end of the 1st flush on the Pinks, the Kings were taken over by mold, so they went outdoors in the compost pile to see if they fruit at all. I'd say it was a good first test batch. 
   
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: ghiajake]
#19065511 - 10/31/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ghiajake said: Here's pics from the end of the 1st flush on the Pinks, the Kings were taken over by mold, so they went outdoors in the compost pile to see if they fruit at all. I'd say it was a good first test batch. 
    
Great looking flush!
Looks like you strip the bags for your flush. Do you find this more beneficial than holes?
Also, how about giving some specifics like time from inoculation until fruiting, any supplements, bag weight, etc.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: OICU812]
#19066783 - 10/31/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll have to give times on the next test. Didn't really pay attention this time. I cut the bag off because it wasn't tight against the straw and was fruiting inside the bag. Next test will be in buckets, once grain spawn is ready.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: ghiajake]
#19066923 - 10/31/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ghiajake said: I'll have to give times on the next test. Didn't really pay attention this time. I cut the bag off because it wasn't tight against the straw and was fruiting inside the bag. Next test will be in buckets, once grain spawn is ready.
They do like to pin all over if the substrate is exposed to air. I've had good luck in buckets (especially if you line it with a trash bag before filling with substrate). Just cut x's where your holes are drilled. Then they only pin and grow out the holes and you get larger fruits.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: Forrester]
#19066961 - 10/31/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So, why use the liner? Do you cut the x's after its colonized?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: ghiajake]
#19067048 - 10/31/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ghiajake said: So, why use the liner? Do you cut the x's after its colonized?
2 reasons: - It clings to the substrate, preventing that pinning you might get that's nowhere near the holes (which can happen when the substrate shrinks as it will when it digests the wood) - Because I use sawdust, and it likes to fall out of holes. A liner with x's cut holds it in quite nicely until it colonizes.
I cut the x's right after spawning, no need to wait for colonization. The airflow will help prevent overheating if you're doing larger substrates (I like 5 gallon buckets) as well.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: Forrester]
#19067159 - 10/31/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So do you load your bags in the bucket, then cut the x's throught the holes in the bucket?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: ghiajake]
#19067213 - 11/01/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ghiajake said: So do you load your bags in the bucket, then cut the x's throught the holes in the bucket?
Yeah kinda: Put liner in empty bucket, fill bucket with mixed spawn/substrate, twist off the top of the bag and fold over or tie shut, put the lid on the bucket, then cut an x where every hole is. That's it!
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: Forrester]
#19069021 - 11/01/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I also seen Aleon say he hated cleaning the buckets and I doubted the severity til I had to clean a few the other day! And I used bags in my most recent ones lol I have no experience fruting them using the bags in the buckets yet but I feel it will work just fine By the way here's some lime soaked straw buckets of HK
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19069609 - 11/01/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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CAP_TURTLE said: I also seen Aleon say he hated cleaning the buckets and I doubted the severity til I had to clean a few the other day! And I used bags in my most recent ones lol I have no experience fruting them using the bags in the buckets yet but I feel it will work just fine By the way here's some lime soaked straw buckets of HK 
those look nice! If you make more buckets consider staggering the holes in a diamond pattern and you will be able to fit more in.
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Thanks AV! I had that in mind when i started but in between holes lost focus but definitely a worthy idea. I already have 8-10 buckets in there at a time so eventually it will be crucial!
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19109057 - 11/09/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was a believer before but, I will show you my pictures  i'm happy because my big Oyster project will be successful.

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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: snakebite]
#19109166 - 11/09/13 06:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice pics, snakebite.
You might want to set the date/time in your D3100. EXIF is showing: Original Date/Time = 2007:06:12 22:41:12 and I am pretty sure you took these recently.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: OICU812]
#19109219 - 11/09/13 06:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OICU812 said: Nice pics, snakebite.
You might want to set the date/time in your D3100. EXIF is showing: Original Date/Time = 2007:06:12 22:41:12 and I am pretty sure you took these recently.
Ooo.. Sorry, Yes i'll do that. I took those 3 hours a go... they are fresh like 25 years old girl in the mourning after bath.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: snakebite]
#19109585 - 11/09/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Love it!
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19111179 - 11/09/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pinny pinny pinny pin pins.
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those are gonna be some thick and juicy mush
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Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: drake89]
#19115610 - 11/10/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Aloha method works just perfect!



The topper floor is with two buckets filet with beech saw dust Oyster Aloha method. The top bag is Eryngii as you can see fully colonized.

You can see how spawn colonize the beech saw dust.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: snakebite]
#19115925 - 11/10/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow snakebite, those look great. I'm exited to try the method. Please update with the results, especially the buckets!
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: Versicolor]
#19116624 - 11/10/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey guys,
I am also really enjoying my experience with lime water pasteurization. Last 4 runs were pasteurized this way.
Using clear, food grade buckets with 3/8" holes. Nice to be able to see the substrate colonization. Colonizing and fruiting outside in the shade.
pics taken 30 minutes ago.
 
2nd bucket has been colonizing for 3 days. easy done in a week I think.
 
nice, rainy weather we are having here.
Lime water pasteurization is good.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: uncle_rico]
#19116849 - 11/10/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice snakebite and rico; keep it up you 2!
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Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: Aleon]
#19120045 - 11/11/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know you guys want a good pictures, I just can resist


Btw, I made today 12 buckets from 5kg with Eryngii on beech saw dust Aloha method.
Edited by snakebite (11/11/13 03:37 PM)
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: snakebite]
#19123880 - 11/11/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those almost look like they could use more air... it's borderline, but... you've got quite a few oysters in one room, they're going to produce a LOT of CO2 and you may need more airflow than you think.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer update pics [Re: Forrester]
#19126152 - 11/12/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eryngii start to work on Aloha method.

This is a progress time laps on my Oyster.

Edited by snakebite (11/13/13 12:52 PM)
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: snakebite]
#19127271 - 11/12/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good to see everything is going smooth Snakebite! Curious though, when you refer to aloha method you mean lime pasteurization correct?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19127925 - 11/12/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: snakebite]
#19128319 - 11/12/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thats awesome! I know others were experimenting with the lime and sawdust as well. Do you soak any longer, stir more often, or anything else along those lines with the sawdust in place of straw?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: snakebite]
#19132513 - 11/13/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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snakebite said: I know you guys want a good pictures, I just can resist


Btw, I made today 12 buckets from 5kg with Eryngii on beech saw dust Aloha method.
Hell yea!! Think of all the energy we all saved just from these few grows! It's the wave of the future. Keep experimenting y'all.
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nice blues, I love the electric blue cap at that stage.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: t3chnobily]
#19177879 - 11/23/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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My Eryngii finally works on Aloha Lime method. This is made ​​on 10/10/2013. Today is 11/23/2013. Fruiting bodies after 42 days at an average temperature of 18 degrees Celsius and relative humidity of 85%. It is slow, but it is great, I am satisfied.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: snakebite]
#19178627 - 11/23/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey guys !
Harvested this bucket of lime water pasteurized pearl oysters a few minutes ago.
   very cool to just mix hydrated lime with water (no heat). Really spoils a guy not having to use heat energy for pasteurization.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: uncle_rico]
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uncle_rico said: Hey guys !
Harvested this bucket of lime water pasteurized pearl oysters a few minutes ago.
   very cool to just mix hydrated lime with water (no heat). Really spoils a guy not having to use heat energy for pasteurization.
Nice Harvest Rico.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: cubenpete]
#19178872 - 11/23/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree.. good harvest, preheat the pan, cool the wine, reduce the light, make yourself a great dinner.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: snakebite]
#19180266 - 11/23/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you for starting this thread AV. This will be my third attempt at growing mushroom now. :-)
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: MObeek]
#19183784 - 11/24/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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All of these lime grows are very inspiring. I've yet to attempt it, but you guys are really making me want to jump it. This is lowest Magnesium content lime that I've been able to find locally, but I'm a bit confused by the label & percentages.
I thought that hydrated lime was supposed to be calcium hydroxide, but this stuff (although called Hydrated Lime) looks to be mostly calcium oxide. Can anyone with lime knowledge weigh in on this?
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Well, it's not what you want. My farmers co op has it. Product is made by a cement company. So maybe try a cement company?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: drake89]
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Calcium oxide turns to calcium hydroxide when mixed with water. I don't see why that wouldn't work.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: Versicolor]
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Wait, no, my bad. Don't do that. Apparently Calcium oxide, when mixed with water, produces a violent exothermic reaction which is very dangerous to inhale and can easily start fires. Best to stick with Calcium hydroxide that has been produced through the CaCl2 and NaOH method, rather than the CaO and water method.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: Versicolor]
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Versicolor said: Wait, no, my bad. Don't do that. Apparently Calcium oxide, when mixed with water, produces a violent exothermic reaction which is very dangerous to inhale and can easily start fires. Best to stick with Calcium hydroxide that has been produced through the CaCl2 and NaOH method, rather than the CaO and water method. 
Thanks, guys. Still on the hunt for Calcium Hydroxide. There are plenty of farm and feed supply stores around us, but no luck finding the correct lime so far.
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You should be able to find these brands everywhere.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: uncle_rico]
#19196056 - 11/27/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is awesome. Kudos to your persistent assistant, Amanita!
I wonder if adding some lime to grain would allow successful g2g starting with contamed first generation spawn. I will try this next time I screw up which shouldn't be long 
BTW I'm not sure about this but my understanding was that gypsum acts as a pH buffer by neutralizing acidic solutions (ie. metabolites) and that adding gypsum to lime-basified substrate would not buffer it in the direction of lower pH.
Can't wait to try this
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: uncle_rico]
#19196065 - 11/27/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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BTW I have that Hi-Yield lime and would advise careful pH testing as it seems to be stronger than the lime folks used in various casing teks. I would say start with 1/2 the amount recommended. of course getting water to the right pH is much easier than pre-mixing lime with dry ingredients (for casing) and hoping it turns out right.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: nycomyco]
#19199660 - 11/28/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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nycomyco said: This is awesome. Kudos to your persistent assistant, Amanita!
I wonder if adding some lime to grain would allow successful g2g starting with contamed first generation spawn. I will try this next time I screw up which shouldn't be long 
BTW I'm not sure about this but my understanding was that gypsum acts as a pH buffer by neutralizing acidic solutions (ie. metabolites) and that adding gypsum to lime-basified substrate would not buffer it in the direction of lower pH.
Can't wait to try this
Gypsum does not significantly change the ph. It is electro chemically neutral for the most part.
Here is a photo of our most recent lime bath/ poo project. I highly encourage y'all to experiment with adding poo to the bath. We have been using rabbit poo that is rotted anaerobically in a plastic bag for a couple months, then added to the straw before adjusting the ph with lime soak. Zero contam and lots of oysters later. These are aloha Wellington strain

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Gypsum does not significantly change the ph. It is electro chemically neutral for the most part.
Here is a photo of our most recent lime bath/ poo project. I highly encourage y'all to experiment with adding poo to the bath. We have been using rabbit poo that is rotted anaerobically in a plastic bag for a couple months, then added to the straw before adjusting the ph with lime soak. Zero contam and lots of oysters later. These are aloha Wellington strain
 
- Does the POO act as a supplement?
- Have you tried any other POO besides rabbit?
- How much POO do you do?

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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: OICU812]
#19199784 - 11/28/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes it acts as a supplement and greatly decreases colonization time. Dunno about yield yet. But we are shaving days off of the process. He is adding a half gallon to gal of poo to 45 gal of water. Basically a weak poo tea then adding straw and then lime. Bringing ph to 12-12.5 Dunno about other types but will once the rabbit poo is gone.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: OICU812]
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Amanita virosa said: We have been using rabbit poo that is rotted anaerobically in a plastic bag for a couple months . . .
Why anaerobically?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: OICU812]
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Have a few questions. I do apologize if these have been answered - I read through the thread.
I have been debating starting some grows using the lime bath method.
I have some 30-55 gallon plastic totes that I have attached a drain onto the bottom of & added a screened filter.
One of my main questions is drainage of the lime water. Would it be acceptable to drain the spent lime bath water down the floor drain in my basement - or would I be violating some city codes by doing this? Or potentially damaging the metal pipes with prolonged exposure to the lime bath water?
Second question is how long should I soak the straw in the lime bath? Again roughly 30-55 gallon totes being used.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: OICU812]
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Amanita virosa said: We have been using rabbit poo that is rotted anaerobically in a plastic bag for a couple months . . .
Why anaerobically?
Cuz we forgot about it in bag LOL! Dunno if it matters or not. The lime won't hurt anything going down the drain. You won't be doing it every day. We soak for 24 hrs.
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Amanita virosa said: We have been using rabbit poo that is rotted anaerobically in a plastic bag for a couple months . . .
Why anaerobically?
Cuz we forgot about it in bag LOL! Dunno if it matters or not. The lime won't hurt anything going down the drain. You won't be doing it every day. We soak for 24 hrs.
My wife is a waste water engineer for my state. Pouring lime water into the sewer and septic is not good. It interrupts the digestion process by slowing it down and if you are doing it on a daily basis it will destroy the process and bring it to a halt completely on a septic. For the city sewer it does the same thing but just not as fast. If someone were to pour 100 gals of lime water down the sewer for a couple of weeks it could potentially cause problems with the anaerobic digesters the cities use to break the waste down depending on how close you are to the system. It is considered pollution.
This method completely eliminates the need to dispose of anything. Even if you had a gallon to waste you can just mix it with some concrete and take it to the local quarry for recycling into building material.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: lipa]
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dang. accidentally knocked the camera lens into the big cluster and split some of them.
I end up with about 1 gallon of lime water and bagasse sludge after a pasteurization run (enough to do 3 buckets). I dump it on a dirt road (weed control)and feel a little guilty. maybe a splash of something acidic will neutralize the high ph and relieve my guilt.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: uncle_rico]
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uncle_rico said: maybe a splash of something acidic will neutralize the high ph and relieve my guilt.
Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) is a good neutralizer for high pH solutions as it is organic friendly.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: uncle_rico]
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dang. accidentally knocked the camera lens into the big cluster and split some of them.
I end up with about 1 gallon of lime water and bagasse sludge after a pasteurization run (enough to do 3 buckets). I dump it on a dirt road (weed control)and feel a little guilty. maybe a splash of something acidic will neutralize the high ph and relieve my guilt.
I think in small amounts it probably is not such a big deal. But I could see having to deal with a large amount might bet tricky. We are doing bucket runs once a week and getting to the point where we need to start thinking about it. nice shrooms!!
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Lime bath works on sawdust to. This bucket was made on 13.10.2013 (today is 30.11.2013, waiting 48 days for fruit body). Oyster on beech saw dust Aloha lime method . ... an average temperature of 18 degrees Celsius and relative humidity of 85%


On this holl I have some pollution, maybe...?

Btw, wanna show you my Eryngi progress Aloha lime method also on straw.

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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: snakebite]
#19207687 - 11/30/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was nervous about dumping hundreds of gallons into my landlords septic tank. But the Internet says hydrated lime is a treatment for messed up septic tanks so...I just kept doing it and adding ridex every week.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: uncle_rico]
#19216535 - 12/02/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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dang. accidentally knocked the camera lens into the big cluster and split some of them.
I end up with about 1 gallon of lime water and bagasse sludge after a pasteurization run (enough to do 3 buckets). I dump it on a dirt road (weed control)and feel a little guilty. maybe a splash of something acidic will neutralize the high ph and relieve my guilt.
Lime is usually used to disinfect sewage spill areas. I think the most important thing is to remember not to throw it where runoff water will carry it near the surface to any sensitive habitat like a body of water. As with all water waste it should go into the ground before it should be sent down some drain or channel where it will accumulate and disrupt things.
Im not trying to rag on anyone and I am guilty to a certain extent myself. Just wanted to make sure everyone understands pouring it down the drain is not a good thing.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: drake89]
#19216540 - 12/02/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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drake89 said: I was nervous about dumping hundreds of gallons into my landlords septic tank. But the Internet says hydrated lime is a treatment for messed up septic tanks so...I just kept doing it and adding ridex every week.
Just remember that it builds up so the more you pour in the more your going to have sitting in there. They use it to disinfect and correct improperly functioning tanks but that is not a reason to keep putting it in there.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lipa]
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I used the lime bath method for straw with great success but due to the cleanliness inside have switched to sawdust for the winter. With my buckets I had 3 of them using the bucket method for pasteurization that just did not do well and each got small spots of trich. I somewhat attributed this to maybe using too much water and having to moist a substrate but I"m wondering if it'd hurt to add just a little of the same lime used to soak straw into my water I use for my sawdust. I'd still heat pasteurize but with added lime. I've read the lime used for casing layers and the pasteurization method are two different types. While I don't expect it would hurt my real question is per 5 gallon bucket which I use approximately 7 qts of water for each one, what would be a fair amount of lime to use? I was thinking maybe 1/8 cup. Or that is maybe too much. You figure 2 cups for 50 gallons=2 cups for 800 cups of water. So for 28 cups of water it'd be .07cups? So maybe more like 1/16 cup? Which would be close to 15 ml volume of lime? If anyone can verify my math or give some input it would be appreciated.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19290060 - 12/17/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I calculated my hydrated lime to water a little differently.
I used: 1 lb. of lime for 25 gallons of water as a starting point and worked backwards.
H20 (gallons) 25 20 15 10 5 Lime (ounces) 16 12.8 9.6 6.4 3.2
for 5 gallons of water ... 3.2 x 28.6 = 91.5 grams of lime.
I weighed out 91.5 grams of lime and put it in a red solo cup .. and then put a mark on the cup where the lime hit. I put that much lime in 5 gallons of water.
When I checked (just now) what fluid quantity of water fills the red solo cup to the level of my 91.5g lime mark, it was slightly less than one fluid cup.
maybe, I've made this even more confusing. mixing weight and fluid measures. someone check my reasoning. in practice it has been working.
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I guess the real question would be, can you use too much? Will the precipitated lime be engulfed into the fruit bodies as they grow out or will it in any way deter fruiting or put it off longer while the mycelium breaks it down?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
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i would think the acids the mycelium secrete will neutralize the base, so it might take a little longer for it to colonise when there is a lot of base, but wouldn't really hurt. (?)
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
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CAP_TURTLE said: I used the lime bath method for straw with great success but due to the cleanliness inside have switched to sawdust for the winter. With my buckets I had 3 of them using the bucket method for pasteurization that just did not do well and each got small spots of trich. I somewhat attributed this to maybe using too much water and having to moist a substrate but I"m wondering if it'd hurt to add just a little of the same lime used to soak straw into my water I use for my sawdust. I'd still heat pasteurize but with added lime. I've read the lime used for casing layers and the pasteurization method are two different types. While I don't expect it would hurt my real question is per 5 gallon bucket which I use approximately 7 qts of water for each one, what would be a fair amount of lime to use? I was thinking maybe 1/8 cup. Or that is maybe too much. You figure 2 cups for 50 gallons=2 cups for 800 cups of water. So for 28 cups of water it'd be .07cups? So maybe more like 1/16 cup? Which would be close to 15 ml volume of lime? If anyone can verify my math or give some input it would be appreciated.
Although it may work with sawdust, it will never work as well as it does with straw. This is due to the tremendous difference in surface area between the two subs; sawdust having exponentially more with its tiny partial size. But I do wonder about a sub of mostly small wood chips in a lime bath. Either way, it is a remarkable tool for growing. I wanna try some shiitake straw strain in soaked straw next!
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I'm in the process of trying it. I didn't use the lime to pasteurize it, but rather heat. The added lime was just an added barrier or protection. So we will see how it works.
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My buckets don't look like the others but I am a noob!
Everybody else has smaller holes and a lot less.
so will I have fewer flushes?
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looks pretty good! but with more holes it would be bit more sensitive to dehydration
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: forrest]
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Has anyone built the cycle system suggested by aloha meds? I am incredibly interested in doing lime pasteurization but have no cost/enviro-friendly effective methods of dumping it.
I'm unsure about how to build a cycling bucket system, how long to keep the cycling going, ratio of lime water to straw, etc.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
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Lipa posted the picture below in this thread.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
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you can pretty accurately calculate how much water you will need based on the amount of dry substrate you use. Straw, sawdust and even cardboard all hydrate at about 70% water, which of course means the dry substrate is equal to 30% of the total weight.
if you choose 10 lbs of dry straw, divide 10 by .3 (10/.3) to find out how much the hydrated log will weigh = 33.3 lbs. subtract 10 from the total to find how much water you require, in this case it is 23.3 lbs or nearly 3 gallons.
there are a few ways of calculating how much lime to add but i find it simple enough to add little bits of lime until the PH is at 12. in this example i would probably add half a cup of lime.
cycle the water until it is all absorbed, or if there is a little remaining it is ok to store it until you do the next batch.
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i currently have a tub of P. galindoi colonising lime treated straw, and it's liking it
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: forrest]
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oicu, that's from the aloha meds pdf.
thanks deadmandave, super helpful.
anyone have any idea how to build a cycling tub system? not sure exactly where to even start googling ha. (as in what type of pump I'd need to shoot the water back up/how it works).
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
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Sub Tank with a drain at the bottom. Drain feeds smaller tank. Tank has fountain pump/sump pump to pump to shower arrangement in top of big tank.
Smaller tank has water top up controlled by a float valve (think toilet ball valve but smaller)
The beauty of lime is that it only dissolves until saturation so any excess can just sit in the smaller tank until needed. This will maintain your water at ph 12.3 or whatever according to temp.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: solarity]
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
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That would likely work depending on the size of your tank, there should be a graph somewhere that tells you how much it will pump at what height
You submerge the pump in the small tank and the output hose connects to the top of it.
I would put some coarse filter across the small tank to keep any big bits of straw out of the pump
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
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oicu, that's from the aloha meds pdf.
Actually that is Sam's (lipa's) picture (and creation) that John uses in his article. Sam and John are friends. John sold Sam a couple of autoclaves a few years back and Sam regularly visits Aloha and talks to John.
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Would a pump like this work? http://www.lowes.com/pd_506634-60084-FP300_4294612844__?productId=50125821&Ns=p_product_price|0&pl=1¤tURL=%3FNs%3Dp_product_price%7C0%26page%3D1&facetInfo=
And would you basically be somehow attaching a hose to the "eye" of the pump?
That pump should do, and if you will look at the bottom of the picture you can see how lipa attached the hose to the PVC pipe.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: OICU812]
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Ah ic. Well my point was that pointing out a photo of something I was referencing doesn't help, but thanks.
Can't wait to try this out.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
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^also, if i come off as snarky, sorry. the thanks wasn't sarcasm.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lifestream]
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Most submersible pumps like the one you linked have 3/4 male hose threads. So yes, a hosepipe (female end) will attach directly to that pump.
Do not exceed 74" between the pump and the water outlet, this is called the head or maximum lift.
Since the unit is not UL listed (or even if it was) be safe and use a GFI protected circuit.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: forrest]
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I'm so glad to here that!!
Lifestream here is a smaller indoor unit I used in my old apartment. If this suit you better. I would load the straw in 5 gal paint strainers and let it rip for 5-10hrs. It only takes as long as it takes for the straw to absorb the fluid. With bigger units it is important to size the pump so that it floods the surface pretty well so the water trickles down all areas of the straw's surface. You can add a drop of dish soap to help the fluid disperse easier if it is not reaching everything. Think Foamy!!
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lipa]
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thanks for the input all. might message you with a question or two when i build mine lipa. i'm surprised there's not more on the forum about your system. i'm assuming most people are just dumping haphazardly.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: mezzy jeb]
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Help!
I am most excited about all of this funky bath and shower business but there is a snag!
How to dehumidify coffee grounds!
Until now 90% of our substrate was coffee grounds (the other 10% being coffee parchment or husks). We have now sourced hardwood sawdust and the mix is more like 50:50.
Now sawdust will just drain itself after the bath but coffee grounds are another matter entirely! They tend to want to stay in suspension. I tested a small sample, allowing it to drain and squeezing it a very little and then baking it. It came back as 88% water.
The only solution I have thought of so far is to mix up the appropriate volume of lime water to hydrate the coffee to 88% and then mix it with fresh (unhydrated) woodchip and leave it overnight. Then in the morning put everything in the mixer and add the (super dry, 10% humidity) parchment to absorb any excess remaining before adding spawn and bagging up, any thoughts?
I will experiment to find out but the parchment is heat sterilised during it's production process and so can probably avoid the overnight lime soaking without contributing further contaminants.
Thank you, you heroes of our mycelial society, I can almost feel the clamp connections snapping into place!
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drake89
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: mcchieftan]
#20616043 - 09/25/14 08:55 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think you're on the right track here. As an aside, I've been playing with Agaricus blazei on horse poo and most of my problems with it are from the substrate being too wet. So you want to avoid that and it's a lot easier to put water in than to remove it.
I think your two ideas of adding just the right amount of soak water for the coffee grounds, and to add something dry to soak up excess moisture are both worth following.
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solarity
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: drake89]
#20618299 - 09/25/14 05:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Try putting the sub in net bags and let drain for 12 hours.
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Gerdo

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Hi - gearing up for my first oyster grow using a lime bath.
Am I good to use kalkwasser - lab grade calcium hydroxide Ca (OH)2 - for this purpose?
I've read up a little and it seems that it would, although it isn't the hydrated lime other people use and recommended by aloha and other threads i've read.
Thanks
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