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woodland_jewel
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: Versicolor]
#19186120 - 11/25/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Versicolor said: Wait, no, my bad. Don't do that. Apparently Calcium oxide, when mixed with water, produces a violent exothermic reaction which is very dangerous to inhale and can easily start fires. Best to stick with Calcium hydroxide that has been produced through the CaCl2 and NaOH method, rather than the CaO and water method. 
Thanks, guys. Still on the hunt for Calcium Hydroxide. There are plenty of farm and feed supply stores around us, but no luck finding the correct lime so far.
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uncle_rico
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You should be able to find these brands everywhere.
Good luck.
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nycomyco
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: uncle_rico]
#19196056 - 11/27/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is awesome. Kudos to your persistent assistant, Amanita!
I wonder if adding some lime to grain would allow successful g2g starting with contamed first generation spawn. I will try this next time I screw up which shouldn't be long 
BTW I'm not sure about this but my understanding was that gypsum acts as a pH buffer by neutralizing acidic solutions (ie. metabolites) and that adding gypsum to lime-basified substrate would not buffer it in the direction of lower pH.
Can't wait to try this
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nycomyco
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: uncle_rico]
#19196065 - 11/27/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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BTW I have that Hi-Yield lime and would advise careful pH testing as it seems to be stronger than the lime folks used in various casing teks. I would say start with 1/2 the amount recommended. of course getting water to the right pH is much easier than pre-mixing lime with dry ingredients (for casing) and hoping it turns out right.
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Amanita virosa
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: nycomyco]
#19199660 - 11/28/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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nycomyco said: This is awesome. Kudos to your persistent assistant, Amanita!
I wonder if adding some lime to grain would allow successful g2g starting with contamed first generation spawn. I will try this next time I screw up which shouldn't be long 
BTW I'm not sure about this but my understanding was that gypsum acts as a pH buffer by neutralizing acidic solutions (ie. metabolites) and that adding gypsum to lime-basified substrate would not buffer it in the direction of lower pH.
Can't wait to try this
Gypsum does not significantly change the ph. It is electro chemically neutral for the most part.
Here is a photo of our most recent lime bath/ poo project. I highly encourage y'all to experiment with adding poo to the bath. We have been using rabbit poo that is rotted anaerobically in a plastic bag for a couple months, then added to the straw before adjusting the ph with lime soak. Zero contam and lots of oysters later. These are aloha Wellington strain

Edited by Amanita virosa (11/28/13 07:51 AM)
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OICU812
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Amanita virosa said:
Gypsum does not significantly change the ph. It is electro chemically neutral for the most part.
Here is a photo of our most recent lime bath/ poo project. I highly encourage y'all to experiment with adding poo to the bath. We have been using rabbit poo that is rotted anaerobically in a plastic bag for a couple months, then added to the straw before adjusting the ph with lime soak. Zero contam and lots of oysters later. These are aloha Wellington strain
 
- Does the POO act as a supplement?
- Have you tried any other POO besides rabbit?
- How much POO do you do?

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Amanita virosa
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: OICU812]
#19199784 - 11/28/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes it acts as a supplement and greatly decreases colonization time. Dunno about yield yet. But we are shaving days off of the process. He is adding a half gallon to gal of poo to 45 gal of water. Basically a weak poo tea then adding straw and then lime. Bringing ph to 12-12.5 Dunno about other types but will once the rabbit poo is gone.
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OICU812
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: OICU812]
#19199840 - 11/28/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Amanita virosa said: We have been using rabbit poo that is rotted anaerobically in a plastic bag for a couple months . . .
Why anaerobically?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: OICU812]
#19200104 - 11/28/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have a few questions. I do apologize if these have been answered - I read through the thread.
I have been debating starting some grows using the lime bath method.
I have some 30-55 gallon plastic totes that I have attached a drain onto the bottom of & added a screened filter.
One of my main questions is drainage of the lime water. Would it be acceptable to drain the spent lime bath water down the floor drain in my basement - or would I be violating some city codes by doing this? Or potentially damaging the metal pipes with prolonged exposure to the lime bath water?
Second question is how long should I soak the straw in the lime bath? Again roughly 30-55 gallon totes being used.
Thanks in advance.
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Amanita virosa
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: OICU812]
#19200292 - 11/28/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OICU812 said:
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Amanita virosa said: We have been using rabbit poo that is rotted anaerobically in a plastic bag for a couple months . . .
Why anaerobically?
Cuz we forgot about it in bag LOL! Dunno if it matters or not. The lime won't hurt anything going down the drain. You won't be doing it every day. We soak for 24 hrs.
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lipa

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Amanita virosa said:
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OICU812 said:
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Amanita virosa said: We have been using rabbit poo that is rotted anaerobically in a plastic bag for a couple months . . .
Why anaerobically?
Cuz we forgot about it in bag LOL! Dunno if it matters or not. The lime won't hurt anything going down the drain. You won't be doing it every day. We soak for 24 hrs.
My wife is a waste water engineer for my state. Pouring lime water into the sewer and septic is not good. It interrupts the digestion process by slowing it down and if you are doing it on a daily basis it will destroy the process and bring it to a halt completely on a septic. For the city sewer it does the same thing but just not as fast. If someone were to pour 100 gals of lime water down the sewer for a couple of weeks it could potentially cause problems with the anaerobic digesters the cities use to break the waste down depending on how close you are to the system. It is considered pollution.
This method completely eliminates the need to dispose of anything. Even if you had a gallon to waste you can just mix it with some concrete and take it to the local quarry for recycling into building material.
Lipa
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uncle_rico
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: lipa]
#19204981 - 11/29/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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dang. accidentally knocked the camera lens into the big cluster and split some of them.
I end up with about 1 gallon of lime water and bagasse sludge after a pasteurization run (enough to do 3 buckets). I dump it on a dirt road (weed control)and feel a little guilty. maybe a splash of something acidic will neutralize the high ph and relieve my guilt.
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OICU812
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: uncle_rico]
#19205307 - 11/29/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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uncle_rico said: maybe a splash of something acidic will neutralize the high ph and relieve my guilt.
Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) is a good neutralizer for high pH solutions as it is organic friendly.
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Amanita virosa
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: uncle_rico]
#19205662 - 11/29/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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uncle_rico said:

dang. accidentally knocked the camera lens into the big cluster and split some of them.
I end up with about 1 gallon of lime water and bagasse sludge after a pasteurization run (enough to do 3 buckets). I dump it on a dirt road (weed control)and feel a little guilty. maybe a splash of something acidic will neutralize the high ph and relieve my guilt.
I think in small amounts it probably is not such a big deal. But I could see having to deal with a large amount might bet tricky. We are doing bucket runs once a week and getting to the point where we need to start thinking about it. nice shrooms!!
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Lime bath works on sawdust to. This bucket was made on 13.10.2013 (today is 30.11.2013, waiting 48 days for fruit body). Oyster on beech saw dust Aloha lime method . ... an average temperature of 18 degrees Celsius and relative humidity of 85%


On this holl I have some pollution, maybe...?

Btw, wanna show you my Eryngi progress Aloha lime method also on straw.

Edited by snakebite (11/30/13 06:08 AM)
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drake89
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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: snakebite]
#19207687 - 11/30/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was nervous about dumping hundreds of gallons into my landlords septic tank. But the Internet says hydrated lime is a treatment for messed up septic tanks so...I just kept doing it and adding ridex every week.
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lipa

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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: uncle_rico]
#19216535 - 12/02/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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uncle_rico said:
dang. accidentally knocked the camera lens into the big cluster and split some of them.
I end up with about 1 gallon of lime water and bagasse sludge after a pasteurization run (enough to do 3 buckets). I dump it on a dirt road (weed control)and feel a little guilty. maybe a splash of something acidic will neutralize the high ph and relieve my guilt.
Lime is usually used to disinfect sewage spill areas. I think the most important thing is to remember not to throw it where runoff water will carry it near the surface to any sensitive habitat like a body of water. As with all water waste it should go into the ground before it should be sent down some drain or channel where it will accumulate and disrupt things.
Im not trying to rag on anyone and I am guilty to a certain extent myself. Just wanted to make sure everyone understands pouring it down the drain is not a good thing.
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lipa

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Re: Lime bath I,m a big believer [Re: drake89]
#19216540 - 12/02/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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drake89 said: I was nervous about dumping hundreds of gallons into my landlords septic tank. But the Internet says hydrated lime is a treatment for messed up septic tanks so...I just kept doing it and adding ridex every week.
Just remember that it builds up so the more you pour in the more your going to have sitting in there. They use it to disinfect and correct improperly functioning tanks but that is not a reason to keep putting it in there.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lipa]
#19287957 - 12/17/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used the lime bath method for straw with great success but due to the cleanliness inside have switched to sawdust for the winter. With my buckets I had 3 of them using the bucket method for pasteurization that just did not do well and each got small spots of trich. I somewhat attributed this to maybe using too much water and having to moist a substrate but I"m wondering if it'd hurt to add just a little of the same lime used to soak straw into my water I use for my sawdust. I'd still heat pasteurize but with added lime. I've read the lime used for casing layers and the pasteurization method are two different types. While I don't expect it would hurt my real question is per 5 gallon bucket which I use approximately 7 qts of water for each one, what would be a fair amount of lime to use? I was thinking maybe 1/8 cup. Or that is maybe too much. You figure 2 cups for 50 gallons=2 cups for 800 cups of water. So for 28 cups of water it'd be .07cups? So maybe more like 1/16 cup? Which would be close to 15 ml volume of lime? If anyone can verify my math or give some input it would be appreciated.
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uncle_rico
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
#19290060 - 12/17/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I calculated my hydrated lime to water a little differently.
I used: 1 lb. of lime for 25 gallons of water as a starting point and worked backwards.
H20 (gallons) 25 20 15 10 5 Lime (ounces) 16 12.8 9.6 6.4 3.2
for 5 gallons of water ... 3.2 x 28.6 = 91.5 grams of lime.
I weighed out 91.5 grams of lime and put it in a red solo cup .. and then put a mark on the cup where the lime hit. I put that much lime in 5 gallons of water.
When I checked (just now) what fluid quantity of water fills the red solo cup to the level of my 91.5g lime mark, it was slightly less than one fluid cup.
maybe, I've made this even more confusing. mixing weight and fluid measures. someone check my reasoning. in practice it has been working.
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Edited by uncle_rico (12/17/13 06:47 PM)
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