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Aleon
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: worowa]
#18985080 - 10/16/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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worowa said: Works a treat for Kings, on straw or sawdust.
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Amanita virosa
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: Aleon] 1
#18986170 - 10/16/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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one last shot taken today. we averaged a couple of pounds first flush per bucket. not bad for spawn that woulda got thrown out. And we ended up with almost 15 extra pounds of mush for market.
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LiquidGlass
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DO you do anything to promote the second flush? DO you rip or cut to harvest?
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18987185 - 10/16/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sorry to ask but the straw was only soaked? No heat-pasteurisation?
Looks like a lot of time and work saved (plus the saved grains)
This is cool, really  Thanks for sharing
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Amanita virosa
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: BlackPeace]
#18987337 - 10/16/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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BlackPeace said: I'm sorry to ask but the straw was only soaked? No heat-pasteurisation?
Looks like a lot of time and work saved (plus the saved grains)
This is cool, really  Thanks for sharing
Not only was it just soaked in lime but moldy spawn was used to inoculate. That's why we tried it in the first place. No we do not do anything to induce a second flush. Just wait and they will come. We always break or pull the clusters. We find that the cut "stump" seems to increase trich growth. Some vars worse than others. Lions mane is the worst! Never cut lions mane.
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Amanita virosa
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: loggrower]
#18987346 - 10/16/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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loggrower said: Any idea if you could use Sodium Carbonate(Washing Soda) instead of lime?
Nope. The sodium would kill the Myc for sure.
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DreamingRaven
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Very interesting, I was just asking somewhere else about this very thing Thanks for posting your results
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BlackPeace
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This thing is amazing. Awesome!
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OICU812
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: bik123]
#18989604 - 10/17/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bik123 said: This Lime method, when the mushrooms grows, are they considered organic?
I believe so. Here is a link to a previous thread where we discussed the subject.
@Amanita virosa: Damn good thinkin'. Ground breaking research! I am glad to see this level of experimentation here, it's really what makes this board worth while.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: OICU812]
#18989894 - 10/17/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm scared to death of trich these days so very brave work!
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Amanita virosa
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: OICU812]
#18989993 - 10/17/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OICU812 said:
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bik123 said: This Lime method, when the mushrooms grows, are they considered organic?
I believe so. Here is a link to a previous thread where we discussed the subject.
@Amanita virosa: Damn good thinkin'. Ground breaking research! I am glad to see this level of experimentation here, it's really what makes this board worth while.
was my partner chris's idea. hes is one stubborn sombitch. and frugal. hates to throw anything away. honestly, i was skeptical and even bitched at him about it; "dump that shit out and move on" I told him. but he was persistant and it worked. now i am grateful. he is also a master at cloning. everything he clones lives and is uncontaminated. true lab ninja. today he is cloning this...
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lipa

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Amanita virosa said:
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loggrower said: Any idea if you could use Sodium Carbonate(Washing Soda) instead of lime?
Nope. The sodium would kill the Myc for sure.
You can use tide washing detergent/ ivory soap etc. for the bath. I used ivory dish soap and it worked just fine.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lipa]
#18990574 - 10/17/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some advice for those considering a lime shower or tub for processing straw with lime.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18990568/vc/1#18990568
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: lipa]
#18993337 - 10/17/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lipa said: Some advice for those considering a lime shower or tub for processing straw with lime.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18990568/vc/1#18990568
Lipa
Nice wright-up Lipa! Definitely points to consider and plan into the design of a lime shower.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: OICU812]
#18998126 - 10/19/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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do you guys add gypsum to the bath together with lime, or later to the pasteurised straw (if you add it) ?
out of the 5 or six times i did the lime pasteurisation, a few times didn't go so well (meaning bacteria or even trich), some went very well, both counting for oyster and cubes. and in retrospect i'm thinking the times that didn't go well might be the ones where i added gypsum to the bath. as i read earlyer this week in general cultivation that gypsum is a ph-buffer, i thought it might have prevented the ph from getting high enough. what do you think?
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LiquidGlass
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: forrest]
#18998320 - 10/19/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do not use it on my grains because I use popcorn and never have a problem with them sticking together, I do however throw a handful into the sub BEFORE pasteurizing
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18999427 - 10/19/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Excellent, thanks Lipa. I have just added a lime shower to my tank, and I will follow your advice and add a drain to the settling tank.
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: solarity]
#19000447 - 10/19/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm running a second test batch now with Shitake S75 on limed straw. First test batch with King and Pink Oysters is showing mild contam, but I only soaked for 17 hours (read 16-18 was best) and didn't stir it occationally. I don't have a circulating system yet, but will build one eventially. Soaked the second batch for around 20 hours, but next batch I'll go for the 24 hr soak since you are having good results AV. Are you using High-Yeild brand lime?
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Amanita virosa
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: ghiajake]
#19001401 - 10/19/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ghiajake said: I'm running a second test batch now with Shitake S75 on limed straw. First test batch with King and Pink Oysters is showing mild contam, but I only soaked for 17 hours (read 16-18 was best) and didn't stir it occationally. I don't have a circulating system yet, but will build one eventially. Soaked the second batch for around 20 hours, but next batch I'll go for the 24 hr soak since you are having good results AV. Are you using High-Yeild brand lime?
Bonide hydrated lime from lowes. Even more surprising is that it has a 22% percent mg level. Isnt that supposed to be too high? Just noticed that today. Brats don't care apparently.
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Amanita virosa
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Re: Lime bath I,m a believer [Re: forrest]
#19001828 - 10/19/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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forrest said: do you guys add gypsum to the bath together with lime, or later to the pasteurised straw (if you add it) ?
out of the 5 or six times i did the lime pasteurisation, a few times didn't go so well (meaning bacteria or even trich), some went very well, both counting for oyster and cubes. and in retrospect i'm thinking the times that didn't go well might be the ones where i added gypsum to the bath. as i read earlyer this week in general cultivation that gypsum is a ph-buffer, i thought it might have prevented the ph from getting high enough. what do you think?
Gypsum does not change the ph singinicantly.
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