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    #18972284 - 10/13/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Found another mushroom similar to the ones I had been finding. This was under both pine and birch trees. I'm going to post the picture later after it has matured and the spores are distributed in that area because this is the first time in years I've seen an amanita grow in that area which is what I've been wanting.
It might be Amanita flavorubescens because the stem is already bruising red and the base of it is barely swollen, dark yellow cap with a red/brown center and yellow warts. If it is the kind I think it is, is it safe to heat, dry and ingest?
Posting picture soon after it matures and spawns!


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Re: I.D. request [Re: Hexendude1994]
    #18972368 - 10/13/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I found a few more in that area so I'm just picking this one.

Any ideas? The stem does no have any fuzzy rings and the flesh is white, and bruises red.
It's also about 4/5 as tall as a soda can.


Edited by Hexendude1994 (10/13/13 02:26 PM)


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Re: I.D. request [Re: Hexendude1994]
    #18972382 - 10/13/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Amanita rubescens maybe...and if so edible...wait for a TI.


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Re: I.D. request [Re: Hexendude1994]
    #18972405 - 10/13/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It appears to be entirely consistent with A. amerirubescens. With the details you give, it's a north american blusher in any event. the Differences between them are more of less small and I don't know that it matters which they are in either event.

The edibility of none of the blushers is particularly well settled. The only with with an established history of consumption (the European-only one) is known to be toxic.

I would love to know that there is a large reliable body of data on these groups and their toxicity, or that there's even a specific, isolated toxin identified in the blushers from either continent, but I haven't found it.


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Re: I.D. request [Re: Dr.Tooty]
    #18972419 - 10/13/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Amanita rubescens maybe...and if so edible...wait for a TI.




A. rubescens does not occur in North America.


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Re: I.D. request [Re: canid]
    #18972551 - 10/13/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I know that heating them breaks down the toxins, right?


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Re: I.D. request [Re: canid]
    #18972557 - 10/13/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I am in TN, right above MS.. kinda southern america


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Re: I.D. request [Re: Hexendude1994]
    #18972568 - 10/13/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A. Amerirubescens images completely  match what I've been finding.


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Re: I.D. request [Re: Hexendude1994]
    #18972572 - 10/13/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I do not know that that is the mechanism at all. Neither do you.

It could be that the toxin decomposes within a given time/temp curve. It could be that it is decompsed by some heat activated enzyme within the mushroom. It could be that it does not, but is water soluble and can be diluted down by parboiling and discarding the water.

It could be a lot of things.

I don't know that anybody knows until somebody shows up with some hard data.

I wouldn't play with ingesting them at all, for this reason.


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Re: I.D. request [Re: Hexendude1994]
    #18972580 - 10/13/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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A. Amerirubescens images completely  match what I've been finding.




I agree, but I have not examined them in person, and I do not have the kind of expertise in this group of Amanitas that I would like to be quite confident.


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Re: I.D. request [Re: Hexendude1994]
    #18972610 - 10/13/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are you sure this isn't rubescens? I understand you know more about this than me, but this looks closer to that.


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Re: I.D. request [Re: Hexendude1994]
    #18972640 - 10/13/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZJECAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA105&lpg=RA1-PA102&ots=mM_HiOUyWw&dq=Amanita+rubescens+a+hemolytic+poison&output=text
after reading this, I've decided not to mess with this as it does have a blood destroying toxin (from which I've learned, COULD, not should, cause acute anemia).


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Re: I.D. request [Re: Hexendude1994]
    #18972642 - 10/13/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've pointed this out before, but A. rubescens is a european species which does not occur in north america.

The confusion results from the fact that some of our blushing Amanita species have historically, but mistakenly, been called A. rubescens before they were better studied and given their own names.


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Re: I.D. request [Re: canid]
    #18972649 - 10/13/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I do not know that that is the mechanism at all. Neither do you.

It could be that the toxin decomposes within a given time/temp curve. It could be that it is decompsed by some heat activated enzyme within the mushroom. It could be that it does not, but is water soluble and can be diluted down by parboiling and discarding the water.

It could be a lot of things.

I don't know that anybody knows until somebody shows up with some hard data.

I wouldn't play with ingesting them at all, for this reason.



I like your approach to ID'ing and mushrooms in general.


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Re: I.D. request [Re: canid]
    #18972710 - 10/13/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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canid said:
I've pointed this out before, but A. rubescens is a european species which does not occur in north america.

The confusion results from the fact that some of our blushing Amanita species have historically, but mistakenly, been called A. rubescens before they were better studied and given their own names.




Just saw this part on mushroomexpert.
"Our eastern North American version of Amanita rubescens is probably not really the same, phylogenetically, as the original Amanita rubescens of Europe. Actually there may be several unnamed eastern North American species; a detailed study of this group is needed."

Something in the Rubescens group then?


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Re: I.D. request [Re: Dr.Tooty]
    #18972723 - 10/13/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Indeed, though by now several of those species do have names of their own.


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Re: I.D. request [Re: canid]
    #18972753 - 10/13/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Screw it. Going to buy them from somewhere like bouncing bear botanicals before I go through this shit-fit of identifying. I have never come across any red or 'obvious' amanita muscaria and the ones I do find are always these rubescens-looking ones. So if I like what I feel from the ones I buy online, I'll hunt harder.. true amanita muscaria is very rare in my area, I have many to vouch for that.

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Re: I.D. request [Re: Hexendude1994]
    #19094926 - 11/06/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Here is a website that can serve to teach you ALOT about Amanitas, but in reality not much is entirely known, so it wont teach you everything... always keep that it mind, you will never know all there is to know in regards to the Taxonomy of any mushroom Species, there will always be the possibility of exceptions and variations not yet documented nor-studied... However, dont let it discourage you... Read-read-read this site thoroughly, study the language and the pictures... if you are really set on finding muscaria's, you also need to know what NOT to look for... kinda like that 'Keep your enemies closer than your friends" thing...

There are 2 known to be in your "Area"...

A. Muscaria var. guessowii & A. muscaria var. persicina

Here is a direct link searched to your area: Amanitaceae


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Re: I.D. request [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #19121671 - 11/11/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have actually found about 13 amanita muscaria in the past 4 days. Just now found some really cool red ones with yellow warts! :laugh: So excited.
I have also found some and sampled them as I was camping  this weekend.
Very nice effects. This is all happening just after I bought some.. but I do know what characteristics to look at to identify now.


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Re: I.D. request [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #19121700 - 11/11/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata is in my area. I am 30 minutes above Corinth, MS on map. I have found many of these as well recently.
I memorized the characteristics of what we ate.. friends got sick, cold, and sweaty but I cooked mine.


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