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dstark
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Substance Analysis Kits: Test your plants and drugs! 7
#18972044 - 10/13/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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 Found this on the DmtNexus forum, seems like a pretty cool project, basically identifying alkaloids with TLC! There is a quick vid btw. Quote:
TLConscious said: Hello everybody,
We were about to make a thread but noticed someone already did that! (Thanks for spreading the message btw )
We are the harm reduction non-profit organization that have developed the mentioned substance analysis kit.
Our kits are ready, we have already sent around 10 beta versions to some users around the world to give us feedback and do adjustments. We are currently in crowdfunding phase to gather money for purchases of bulk material to assemble the kits. You can check it out here: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/substance-analysis-kits-down-with-adulterants
You can check out a video of how it works in this link above!
Basically with a certain donation (150e), you will get the full kit, or smaller donations can get you t-shirts or the simple color tests reagents like marquis etc. So it`s sort of like pre-ordering, except it`s safer because the indiegogo website gives you full refund if we do not reach our established Goal and cannot make bulk purchases.
As an example of some questions the kit could be used to potentially answer: - Does this plant contain DMT (or another alkaloid of interest)? - Which of these weed plants or hash samples has more THC/CBD/etc ? - Do these mushrooms contain psilocybin ? Which of these shrooms are more potent? - Is this acid really acid or is it DOx/Nbomes/Bromodragonfly ? - Is this MDMA mixed with something else? etc etc
Feel free to ask any question you might have regarding the organization and the kits!
Thank you very much! Wish you all some safe tripping 
http://www.anoniem.org/?http://igg.me/at/tlconscious/x/4788503 As stated in the donation site:
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Short Summary
For several years, the people responsible for TLConscious have been involved in harm reduction work through online information, in situ work, education, and drug analysis in festivals and events, and presentations at international research conferences.
One of our main projects is a combination of analyzing psychoactive substances and their adulterants, and educating people to help reduce the risks of consuming these substances. While we can work directly with people in some cases, such as music festivals and similar events, we are unable to reach the millions of people around the world that do not attend these particular events and are therefore unable to make use of our work. This means that many of these people might be unknowingly poisoning themselves with unknown adulterants, or consuming plants that contain toxic substances.
We have developed a substance testing kit that anyone, even those with no scientific background, can use in the privacy of their own home. This kit allows a person to analyze the composition of any substances or plants they have and check for contaminants or adulterations. Our kit is NOT like the simple colorimetric reagents found around the world, which can only indicate the presence of the main compound, but cannot differentiate multiple substances or indicate if there is a potentially deadly mix of compounds. The TLConscious kit provides a more comprehensive and thorough analysis of any substance in question.
The kit can also test plants when looking for specific compounds, which can be of great use to botanical researchers.
By funding TLConscious' campaign, you will potentially help save lives, or at the very least, prevent harmful intoxication by dangerous and/or unknown substances.
Prototypes of the TLConscious analytical kit have already been shipped around the world and used with success.
Well there are lot of kits available online but this one can be used to identify variety of alkaloids They need to raise 20 thousand in order for this to happen so chip in if you can and think its a good thing.
Edited by dstark (10/17/13 10:19 AM)
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: dstark]
#18973999 - 10/13/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seems like someone chipped in:) What you guys think of this project? It will be a shame if it doesnt happen, this makes any drug testing so easy.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: dstark]
#18974151 - 10/13/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I definitely see how this is useful for many substances and instances, but with shrooms or L that you would purchase I don't think this is necessary. Shrooms on a erhlich kit is obvious and I highly doubt that someone with 25i blotters would give trace amounts of legitimate L on the paper just in case his customers have erhlich kits, simply too much effort. As long as it's at a fair price though, I completely encourage people to support these guys.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Godfather1376] 1
#18975289 - 10/14/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello everybody,
We were about to make a thread but noticed someone already did that! (Thanks for spreading the message btw )
We are the harm reduction non-profit organization that have developed the mentioned substance analysis kit.
Our kits are ready, we have already sent around 10 beta versions to some users around the world to give us feedback and do adjustments. We are currently in crowdfunding phase to gather money for purchases of bulk material to assemble the kits. You can check it out here: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/substance-analysis-kits-down-with-adulterants
You can check out a video of how it works in this link above!
Basically with a certain donation (150e), you will get the full kit, or smaller donations can get you t-shirts or the simple color tests reagents like marquis etc. So it`s sort of like pre-ordering, except it`s safer because the indiegogo website gives you full refund if we do not reach our established Goal and cannot make bulk purchases.
As an example of some questions the kit could be used to potentially answer: - Does this plant contain DMT (or another alkaloid of interest)? - Which of these weed plants or hash samples has more THC/CBD/etc ? - Do these mushrooms contain psilocybin ? Which of these shrooms are more potent? - Is this acid really acid or is it DOx/Nbomes/Bromodragonfly ? - Is this MDMA mixed with something else? etc etc
Feel free to ask any question you might have regarding the organization and the kits!
Thank you very much! Wish you all some safe tripping
Edited by TLConscious (10/14/13 06:06 AM)
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
#18975774 - 10/14/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow, that looks really good. I don't have the money myself at the moment, but I forwarded this to one of my favorite harm reduction organisations.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#18975839 - 10/14/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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•After you reach the goal(fingers crossed) for how much ones could buy a kit? •Does a kit is a single use kit or for few times(till the "liquids" run out)?
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: dstark]
#18976016 - 10/14/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's really goddamn expensive for what you need to run TLC.
If you guys just do a little reading (JoePedo has a good thread on the Flasks & Beakers forum at Zoklet) you can put this kit together for pocket change.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: 36fuckin5]
#18976409 - 10/14/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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dstark said: •After you reach the goal(fingers crossed) for how much ones could buy a kit? •Does a kit is a single use kit or for few times(till the "liquids" run out)?
The kit will cost around 150e if we get the goal money, but if we get significantly more than the goal, we can probably make it cheaper as we can make a bigger bulk purchase and get discounts. Or, if we start selling and there is a big volume of sales, we can start giving discounts and sending gifts to people who bought at the earlier price. This is all hypothetical if it works out as it should 
While most material is reusable, with the kit you get plates and reagents enough for 50+ tests. Then you can buy replacement plates and reagents which will end up costing 1e per test more or less.
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36fuckin5 said: That's really goddamn expensive for what you need to run TLC.
If you guys just do a little reading (JoePedo has a good thread on the Flasks & Beakers forum at Zoklet) you can put this kit together for pocket change.
Its not so simple as you write, I think.
Where are you going to get cheap 254nm and 365nm UV lights, plates, microcapilaries, reagents, eluent, plus information on identifying those substances with your particular system, all of this for under 150e?
How many people can find all of that easily and put it together the kit themselves? And how are they going to identify substances ?
One main advantage is that our organization has access to legal standards and gc/lc-ms analysis as a confirmation to our tests and therefore greatly helps in setting the TLC system. We write down identification information on all sorts of substances of interest, personalized for our system. If any novel substance appears, we can more easily work on getting standards and making personalized adjustments to the kit and help people identifying such substances.
We`re not trying to scam anybody or have unreasonable high prices for profit. We`re asking the fair price for a one-of-a-kind service and product which we have been working on for at least two years, finding a way to making a powerful testing kit for people, even those without chemical knowledge and confidence to prepare DIY TLC plates. Also we offer information that would be unavailable to others without access to legal standards. We really believe this is a unique opportunity that a lot of people would greatly benefit from.
With that being said, I would applaud your efforts if you prepare TLC system yourself and test your substances and of friends, or plants in your environment. The more the better 
We are considering setting up a space on the website, where people can upload their test results and we would display, kinda like ecstasydata webpage. We could add warnings when dangerous substances are identified.
We also thought that for those exploring plant material, for example natural psychedelics, we could make a database where you could sort plants by geographic location in a map, or by species name, or by alkaloid content, and then people could also add their own tests, for example when someone finds DMT in a new plant, etc. So we would have an updated map of psychoactive plants and tests made by people with the kit.
There`s a LOT of cool ideas we can think of if a good ammount of people have these kits and share their results.
Edited by TLConscious (10/14/13 12:40 PM)
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
#18976455 - 10/14/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I doubt your "potency test" for psilocybes is very accurate.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
#18976514 - 10/14/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: That's really goddamn expensive for what you need to run TLC.
If you guys just do a little reading (JoePedo has a good thread on the Flasks & Beakers forum at Zoklet) you can put this kit together for pocket change.
Its not so simple as you write, I think.
Where are you going to get cheap 254nm and 365nm UV lights, plates, microcapilaries, reagents, eluent, plus information on identifying those substances with your particular system, all of this for under 150e?
Ebay. And I'm assuming you're buying in bulk, which would make it even cheaper. I'm not sure about the lights, but I've pieced together a TLC kit for $20 before. A regular blacklight let me see my spots.
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How many people can find all of that easily and put it together the kit themselves? And how are they going to identify substances ?
I have no sympathy for laziness. All this info is out there, but no it's not terribly easy to find.
As for a sample to compare against, get one known pure sample (clean it yourself if you have to), run a plate and keep that for reference.
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One main advantage is that our organization has access to legal standards and gc/lc-ms analysis as a confirmation to our tests and therefore greatly helps in setting the TLC system. We write down identification information on all sorts of substances of interest, personalized for our system. If any novel substance appears, we can more easily work on getting standards and making personalized adjustments to the kit and help people identifying such substances.
That part's pretty cool, but I think it jacks the price up so high that the average person won't buy it.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: FrankHorrigan] 2
#18976535 - 10/14/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: I doubt your "potency test" for psilocybes is very accurate.
It`s in no way an absolute quantification, but rather relative to some control.
For example, say you are growing two kinds of shrooms, and you want to know which one is more potent, and how their potency compare to each other...
So you would get a weighed sample of both, dissolve in same amount of extraction liquid, and load that to the plate. And to make it better, you do two or three different dilutions of each (for example 1ml extraction liquid per 0.1g of material, then twice as concentrated or half as concentrated). Then you run the plates, and look at the spots. The size of spots are relative to amount of substance, so if the batch A has a spot the size of the the spot from the half-dilution of batch B, you know that it is more or less half as strong.
You won`t know an absolute value but it`s very useful to compare batches for potency. This can serve also for example if you have taken from one batch, and then the next batch you test against it, so you will know if it`s stronger or weaker and be able to adjust dosage more or less accordingly.
To have an even more accurate way which would give reasonable absolute numbers, one would need a standard, so things are more complicated, but we might be able to work in the future to send a printed page with the size of the spots depending on concentration so that people can visually compare and have a crude percentage estimation.
Again, a lot of possible areas of development, which can be directed depending on feedback from people getting the kits and what they are interested in testing 
By the way, if you have a better way of doing crude estimations or comparisons of psychoactive compound content, please let us know, we are very interested 
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Ebay. And I'm assuming you're buying in bulk, which would make it even cheaper. I'm not sure about the lights, but I've pieced together a TLC kit for $20 before. A regular blacklight let me see my spots.
I cannot find all the items in ebay cheaper than 150e. Plus remember not everybody is from the US, in other countries there can be even less availability of materials. Also, a regular black light will not let you see all the spots, I guarantee you. Just few substances will shine with long wave light, that`s why we send both long wave and short wave.
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I have no sympathy for laziness. All this info is out there, but no it's not terribly easy to find.
As for a sample to compare against, get one known pure sample (clean it yourself if you have to), run a plate and keep that for reference.
It doesn`t necessarily have to be about lazyness, some people are just intimidated by it or they use their time with something else.... Just like not all people will look into growing their own food or building their own computers or making their own clothes. Sometimes we preffer things ready to use and we delegate the expertise to someone else that can simplify things so we use them in our context without spending so much effort in it.
We feel that harm reduction-wise, people who are making their own TLC kits and have access to standards are probably anyways not the ones we should be worrying about ingesting adulterated substances. But as mentioned, I still think it`s great if you can do it and spread the knowledge to others about it, you got our full support!
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That part's pretty cool, but I think it jacks the price up so high that the average person won't buy it.
Yeah we understand with such prices, the number of people who can get it is limited. Again, all we want is to offer it cheaper so as many people as possible would buy it, and we are open to any suggestion of cheap bulk suppliers. As mentioned, we have been for the last two years working on it, contacting many suppliers, testing different eluents, types of light, plates, amounts, etc, and we have not found anything cheaper and more practical than we have. Also notice we are not thinking of producing 7 billion kits, we`re thinking of purchasing material for 250 or 500 kits for a world wide market, and seeing how it goes from there. Hopefully this is enough to reach an crowd that can make the bridge between the more dedicated psychonauts who are very informed and willing to investigate testing methods, and the normal users who just want to know whats in their substance.
Hope that explains a bit more how we are trying to position ourselves.
Thanks everybody for the feedback! Questions, criticism, and different points of view are always welcome since it helps us adjust our project
Edited by TLConscious (10/14/13 01:25 PM)
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
#18976592 - 10/14/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I look forward to this SAK.
Question, Can it differentiate between Psilocin and Psilocybin?
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: StygianKnight]
#18976623 - 10/14/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes it can
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
#18977069 - 10/14/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: dstark] 1
#18978193 - 10/14/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can make those kits for like pennies, where the hell did you pull the 20k from? The chemicals are cheap as fuck and the bottles are like a buck or less.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: fapjack]
#18979214 - 10/14/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you guys tried ordering bulk from china? You can order chems for really cheap but it has to be in metric tons or hundreds of kilo.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: fapjack]
#18979908 - 10/15/13 03:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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fapjack said: You can make those kits for like pennies, where the hell did you pull the 20k from? The chemicals are cheap as fuck and the bottles are like a buck or less.
I wish that was true I think maybe you are confusing with the simple color reagent `kits`, which is NOT the same as we are providing..
The real number is 18k, because with indiegogo and paypal taxes there`s already 2000 euros missing. As for the 18k value, it is to purchase the material for the first 250 kits, pay for tests and development and setting up of the organization. Just so you have an idea of some of the costs:
65 boxes of 10x50cm f254 merck TLC plates - 5000e 250x leuchtturm 254nm UV lights - 4600e 250x leuchtturm 365nm UV lights - 1500e Lawyer for help with official papers, setting up the organization, consultancy and tax work for the year - 1000e
Just out of these 4 items, that`s already 13k euros. This is not including: Eluent, Microcapillaries, eppendorfs, pasteur pipettes, jars, reagents, 2000 bottles and labelling, packaging and design plus 2 years of investment and work with hundreds of plates worth of tests, having access to standards and so on.
We have tested many other sources of lights, including several cheap china suppliers, and the lights are much worse than from that particular company.
We have also considered buying the bigger 20x20cm plates and cutting it ourselves for cheaper plates but we have not found a way to cut bulk amounts of them in a clean way. Either it took too long, and/or some of the silica started peeling off the plate after cutting and storing, or cutting was not as straight as we wanted so it affected the layer rising. So small plates are much more convenient and clean. Also we decided for Merck plates since they are guaranteed high quality and they are the same as we have been using for all the tests, and it has to be the special plates with UV fluorescence indicator to visualize all spots.
Maybe the explanation helped you see some of the real costs we have. If you have any suggestion on how to reduce these costs, we are very open to your words! The money is not to make ourselves rich but to provide a unique product and service to the world. Also remember we are an official non-profit organization, we are bound by law to explain all our costs and income, and this goes into the association account which we cannot use for personal purposes.
Have a good day
Edited by TLConscious (10/15/13 05:51 AM)
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious] 1
#18980178 - 10/15/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is fucking amazing! You guys, his is NOTHING like the rinky dink 20$ kits out there. I don't think some of you really understand the true usefulness of this.
Support this project!!!!
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
#18980195 - 10/15/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
#18980330 - 10/15/13 07:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've never heard about TLC testing before, sounds really interesting. Is a big step up from just using a marquis, good luck.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: fapjack]
#18980909 - 10/15/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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TLC is the way to go for simple purity testing.
I do think the 150e starting price is a bit high but I do understand that from a business perspective its a pretty fair price. As long as replacement plates and elluent cost ~1e per test then I don't see any problem with it. I would also like to see the 150e include free international shipping if possible, will make it more appealling.
365: I agree that you can put your own TLC setup together for quite a bit cheaper but most people don't even know what TLC is and if this actually turns them on to it by making it simpler then I'm all for it. Also prices of lab equipment in Europe is quite a bit higher than in the states not to mention having to get some if it shipped from various countries if you can source domestic.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#18984803 - 10/16/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just found similar kits online using TLC for testing THC content in marijuana. It is actually less sophisticated and doesn't include as much equipment than what you are offering. It does seem to be about the same price for the original kit (assuming 10 plates = 50 tests) but the refills are more expensive than what you are offering.
I'm posting the link below for comparison purposes only. I don't want to sound like I am advertising a different company in someone else's thread so if you want me ot remove the link I will.
http://www.thctestkits.com/
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#18984950 - 10/16/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello!
Just a couple of things to remark: I want to remind people that this is NOT a complicated procedure, you do NOT need any previous experience with analysis methods. This kit should work out-of-the-box and instructions should be simple enough for most people to understand. We will offer personalized feedback for people using it for the first times so as to make it as smooth as possible. This kit can separate substances so you identify mixes of adulterants in ways that EZ test and the like cannot.
Regarding making one`s own TLC kit, I seriously doubt it is possible for anywhere near the price we are offering them for. If you are a single person buying material, you won`t be able to buy just a few plates or a few capillaries. Boxes with TLC plates are expensive, and so is the rest of the material. Making your own TLC plates is possible but you won`t have a standardized plate for analysis, so any literature information regarding identification of compounds will be mostly useless, you`ll need to have standards yourself. Also if you do it on your own without the kit, it would take experience with the analysis method to know what you are doing, know what eluent to use, plus having standards.. That would make it a much more complicated endeavour, and significantly more expensive. But if anybody is up to it, go ahead, we are happy with more people testing, whatever way it is. 
So we offer an alternative, a powerful analysis kit of easy use and access to information one couldn`t have otherwise. We honestly think our price is a good one. But that`s up to each one to decide, once one really understands what we are offering If you trust us, we won`t let you down 
Regarding the THC testing kits linked above, it is true they work in a similar fashion than our kits, with a couple of important differences:
1- We dont use fastblue reagent to visualize spots like they do, we use UV light. Fastblue reagent is very toxic. Our plates have special fluorescence indicator so all you need is our UV light to see spots.
2- Their kit can only test cannabis, and no other drug. Our kit can test cannabis and most other drugs.
Thanks for the interest and all feedback! Again, feel free to ask any questions, give constructive criticism, suggestions, etc!
Edited by TLConscious (10/16/13 06:19 AM)
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
#18984965 - 10/16/13 06:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know the THC test kits are different but I just wanted to link them so people like 365 can see what comparable kits cost.
I agree that you could not make a kit of the same quality as yours for any less money and you are providing the info to analyze results which will actually make it possible for normal people to use it.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#18985046 - 10/16/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes 
I hope my words didnt sound negative because they weren`t! I think it is good that you post an example of another kit so people can see for themselves! Thanks for that!
We are not in this to compete against other companies or organizations or personal attempts to do this, we actually just want to add a powerful and accessible testing option to people, to collaborate with other organizations, and to help people being informed about their drugs, diminishing ingestion of adulterants, and helping people being autonomous by finding psychoactive plants in their own area that they can harvest sustainably without having to resort to purchasing from dealers or similar.
Thank you for your feedback!
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: rikuni]
#18985497 - 10/16/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rikuni said: but the test is equipped so that I could test for the dmt content in plants and stuff? 
Presence for sure! TLConcious, can you tell dmt precentage with this test?
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: dstark]
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: rikuni]
#18985814 - 10/16/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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thin layer chromotography is more for testing purity than potency. As in it will show if there is a mixture of compounds instead of a single one.
Now you can pretty easily compare 2 samples based on the size of the spot but knowing an actual % is difficult. In theory they could run several controlled experiments with varying % of DMT content and give you pics of the results so you could find the closest match to your results. Not sure how indepth they will get into that stuff.
If a lot of people start to adopt this testing method I am sure someone will organize an online system to store results for comparison.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#18986152 - 10/16/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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After you posting all the details, and me poking around online looking at prices, I have to change my opinion. This test really isn't very overpriced for what you get. It's just cheaper to do in the US.
It has, however, got me thinking of maybe setting up a little TLC booth at festivals to test peoples' stuff. I'm pretty sure I know a few people who would be down.
So watch out, next year you might see team 365 with a big TLC testing tent at your favorite festival!
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: 36fuckin5]
#18987729 - 10/16/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, you can most definitely find DMT containing plants in your area with this kit.
Regarding finding amounts in plant, it works. Let me show you a quick preliminary work we`ve done to test if it would work to semi-quantify alkaloids in plants:

Each dot represents one sample. As you can see, different dilutions of DMT, NMT and gramine standards (and mimosa hostilis root bark) will give a different size spot.
So by looking at the size of the mimosa spot (or any other plant of interest) and comparing to the DMT spots and doing simple calculation taking in account both dilutions, you can find out more or less the percentage of DMT the plant has. In this case, mimosa shows to be around 2% , which does correspond to the stated yields.
We will do more tests to see what are the best ways to soak different types of plant material (leafs, bark, flowers, dry vs fresh, powder vs pieces etc), and take high quality picture of the plate and/or make a small printed card with the sizes of spots for people to compare. In theory this can be done for any substance, it`s just a matter of people telling us what they need and us providing this information for them 
In case you wonder, we did also NMT and gramine standards because they are found in several plants, and gramine is potentially toxic. Gramine is found in phalaris grass for example, so we want to help people being safe if they are trying to use different plants containing tryptamines. As you can see, gramine, NMT and DMT are in very different heights in the plate, so if a substance had all 3 of them in significant amounts, you would see in one column the 3 spots, one in each height.
Are the explanations I`m giving clear enough? Feel free to ask anything you don`t understand or want to know!
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: 36fuckin5]
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36fuckin5 said: After you posting all the details, and me poking around online looking at prices, I have to change my opinion. This test really isn't very overpriced for what you get. It's just cheaper to do in the US.
It has, however, got me thinking of maybe setting up a little TLC booth at festivals to test peoples' stuff. I'm pretty sure I know a few people who would be down.
So watch out, next year you might see team 365 with a big TLC testing tent at your favorite festival!

Maybe dancesafe should support this project rather than seeing it as competition(if they do)! Maybe in future thair sote will be offering your TLC tests:)
Hey TLC, using your pic for first post for the good look
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: dstark]
#18989456 - 10/17/13 02:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you really consider setting up a testing booth in a festival, be sure to contact us because we have quite a lot of experience with this, having done analysis work in festivals for a few years.
If you are in USA, I would be careful with the legal aspects of it, since if law enforcement sees you receiving illegal samples in public and you have no authorization, you might get in trouble. One idea would be to set a `do it yourself` kind of testing booth where you only give the users the equipment and instruct them, but they handle the samples themselves. This would both keep you in a more comfortable legal zone, as well as help promoting self-empowerement, educating people on testing methods so that they might be interested in looking into it and testing more by themselves in the future.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
#18989503 - 10/17/13 03:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I also want to say there will be issues in the US about kits that confirm the presence of a controlled substance. I know some of the early testers are raves in the 90s faced some issues until they ruled that reagent tests only test for what a substance is not and can't tell you specifically what is in a sample. With the TLC kits there may be other various issues. Would definitely want to look into the legality of it is you want to actually set up testing booth or even sell the kits on site.
You may could get around that by providing the plates, solvent, and capillary tubes to people then having them apply the sample and return the plate for processing on site.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
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Here you see Mimosa Hostilis with mostly DMT, then Acacia confusa rootbark which has a slightly higher NMT to DMT ratio (it was tested later with GC/MS to be around 60/40), then a very concentrated DMT sample, then the NMT standard
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
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Just a suggestion, when you go to take pics to print or post for the actual kits I would recommend mounting a camera over top of it looking down so it can be stable and in focus. Also a direct overhead view of the slide would be easier to look at and compare.
You can get a flexible tripod or make one yourself. Another option would be to buy a document camera that is made for that exact purpose. The can be bought for $150-200 in the US, I assume they would be about the same in euros.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
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Oh yeah most definitely! Thanks for the feedback.
This one was just a screenshot from the video that I added the caption for illustrative purposes in this thread. For the kit instructions there will be an image in upright position to scale for the identification help.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
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Smushroom said: I also want to say there will be issues in the US about kits that confirm the presence of a controlled substance. I know some of the early testers are raves in the 90s faced some issues until they ruled that reagent tests only test for what a substance is not and can't tell you specifically what is in a sample. With the TLC kits there may be other various issues. Would definitely want to look into the legality of it is you want to actually set up testing booth or even sell the kits on site.
You may could get around that by providing the plates, solvent, and capillary tubes to people then having them apply the sample and return the plate for processing on site.
And the police will be sitting next to the booth waiting for people to approach with illegal substances:lol
Also start taking pics of your various damples, a TLC database will happen omewhere in the future, why dont you guys start with it?:-) I bet there could be plenty with your few years of using it
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: dstark]
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Wait, how are you testing "how much" of substances are in a sample? Doesn't TLC just tell you what is in it, not how much?
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Delta9Hippie]
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I mentioned it earlier. The only way to judge % in a sample with TLC is based on the spot size. Assuming you dissolve the same amount of sample in the same amount of solvent before applying higher concentrations will produce larger spots. I would assume TLConscious will take pure chems to run example tests with various %s and take pictures of the results. So in theory you can compare your spot sizes to their example sizes to get a rough estimate of concentration.
I will be fairly easy to actually compare 2 samples which would come in handy for plants / mushrooms. The more potent one will produce larger spots.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
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Good info, thanks for the post!
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: futurefollows]
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can you test for strich9 with this test too?
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We did not yet use strichnine but yeah it should also work, if there is enough interest we could get strychnine standard and test it out.
Why are you interested in strychnine? If it is regarding LSD, that`s a myth, street LSD does not have it. Or is there another reason?
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: rikuni] 1
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Strychnine is not and never has been added to LSD. Also a dose of strychnine would not fit on a normal sized blotter.
Thin layer chromotography separates all compounds in a sample and produces various spots on the plate. You can identify most of them by comparing them to the known placement and size of dots for known compounds. You are only really limited by what as been tested for previously.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#18992234 - 10/17/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Niceee !! Hopefully this project goes well!!
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rikuni said: well I just wanted to make sure that before I eat like a 10 sheet there is nothing on which will make a problem. The last cid I friend got is for freaking strong I dont know if theres other alkaloids on it too, maybe even str9
We`ve never seen any analysis of LSD showing strychnine in our many years analysing hundreds of samples or having access to other analysis databases.
You should be more worried about nbomes, DOx and bromodragonfly, all of which are more commonly found sold as LSD and all of which can be easily tested with our kit 
By the way guys and gals, any small amount helps, even if you don`t have the 150 for the full kit, small donations add up and can help us a lot 
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
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Have you ever tested for GHB? Have you posted this on other drug related forums aside dmtnexus? That would help gradually! Also you should make in the future an option to refill your kit with the liquids and papers
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
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why is this a sticky??
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friskie said: why is this a sticky??
Because it is of interest to people in a lot of different forums, and accomplishes important harm reduction goals.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: friskie]
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dstark said: Have you ever tested for GHB? Have you posted this on other drug related forums aside dmtnexus? That would help gradually! Also you should make in the future an option to refill your kit with the liquids and papers
dstark. We have not yet tested GHB with this particular system, but if there is interest we definitely can. I haven`t read of GHB adulterants but what is present is possible GBL precursor presence or excess base from bad synthesis. Mandelin reagent can test for ghb vs gbl, and excess base can be tested with simple pH strip. We once tested a GHB sample with pH 14, that would be very bad for one`s mouth, throat, etc!!!
Regarding forum posting, we posted in psychonaut, bluelight, eboka and reddit. Drugs forum and icmag said no, so we respected their call.
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We didn`t ask for it or did it, but we suppose the admins thought the project deserved some temporary extra attention since it could be beneficial for people here and is relevant to the subjects discussed in the website
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friskie said: why is this a sticky??
Because it is of interest to people in a lot of different forums, and accomplishes important harm reduction goals.
im under the impression that this is conceptual and looking for donations for a business start-up? 20k eu
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friskie said: im under the impression that this is conceptual and looking for donations for a business start-up? 20k eu
Testing drugs via TLC is not conceptual, but the part where they are putting kits together is. I hope they get the necessary money.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#19001111 - 10/19/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is way more awesome than the regular drug testing kits I bought a ton of... definitely interested!
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#19004445 - 10/20/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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friskie said: im under the impression that this is conceptual and looking for donations for a business start-up? 20k eu
As Alan pointed out above, drug testing using TLC and other chromotography techniques isn't new but these guys are looking to raise the capital to start a company that will put the necessary components in a complete kit with very simple to use instructions and most importantly provide the data necessary to interpret the tests.
TLC doesn't tell you what you have, it gives you a result to compare to the known/expected result of various compounds. You can only figure out what you tested if you have existing data to compare it to using the exact same % of substance & solvent as well as using the same eluent. By putting the kits together they are basically standardizing the testing so that every day users can use the test and get accurate results without having to actually do research or understand the science behind it.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
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great idea, hope this goes far and wide.
Thanks for taking the time and energy to put this project together.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
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OMG!
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: broken]
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@tlconscious: you guys have to advertise this more, not just to users, but also to harm reduction organisations and drug policy reform organisations and to other, real possible backers. Try headshops, headshop chains and other retail places!
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Lord_McLovin]
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: dstark]
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so what exactly is the point of putting the substance in water and on the special plate and soaked in liquid so it lifts up the plate?
looks like it just gets tested with normal reagent, so what exactly is going on there? also it has a specific weight in substance added to water but an unmeasured amount sample taken from that and tested, that part doesn't make sense.
pm tlc but i don't think he is on often so maybe someone else can explain this, i'm intrigued...
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: SurReality] 4
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Look up Thin Layer Chromotography if you want more detailed info.
TLC is the most basic form of chromotography and is used mostly to see if a sample is a singular compound or mixture and in some cases (as this one) it can be compared to the results of a known compound to help to ID that compound. Also in theory it can somewhat identify the % of a compound present in a sample if you have enough preexisting reference points to compare it too.
Basics of TLC: Every compound has a VERY specific solubility in a given solvent TLC uses a glass plate coated in a neutral substance (silica, gypsum, etc) A sample to be tested is dissolved and a drop placed at the starting line of the plate near the bottom. The plate is then put in a container vertically with the bottom just barely resting in a solvent The solvent will move up the plate via absorbtion (think dipping a piece of paper in a liquid and watching it rise) As the solvent passes the starting line it will pick up the sample As the solvent moves up the plate it requires more energy to keep going Less soluble compounds will stop moving with the solvent first More soluble compounds will keep moving with the solvent until they reach their cutoff point. At the point the compounds stop moving there will be a spot form Some test heat it up and "burn off" the organic matter in the spot so you can visibly see it. In this test they use various UV chemicals to make the spots visible under UV light.
Determining if a sample is pure or a mix: If there is a single compound there will be 1 spot since it has a precise solubility If there are 2 compounds there will be 2 spots If there are multiple compounds there will be multiple spots and sometimes streaks when the solubilties are very similar
Determining what a sample is: First you need a pure reference sample and you run the test. Next you test your sample using the EXACT same perameters, same solvents, same amount of solvents, same amount of compound to test, same size dot to place on the TLC plate Since everything in the test is exactly the same as the reference test if it is a pure sample it will have spot in the exact same place and exact same size as the test you ran for reference. If there are multiple spots on the test you can verify the spot of the compound you thought it was and possibly ID the other compounds if you also have reference samples for them. The test can only ID compounds in which you have ran the test with already known samples using the exact same conditions.
Determining the purity of a sample: This applies pretty much only to mixtures (ie plant extracts, tainted samples, etc) Lets say you test plant for DMT content. You test a pure DMT sample and have a reference with a single spot. You would basically do a quick extraction of the DMT with a solvent. You would use that extract as your test sample and place it on the starting line on the plate. When the test is done there should be a spot in the exact place of the reference spot to verify it does contain DMT. Now the size of the spot will very depending on DMT concentration, if it was 100% dmt it would be identical to your sample, if it was less then 100% it would be smaller. Now if you run the reference test with various % of DMT (made by dilluting a pure sample so only 1 spot appears still) you could have references for 5%, 10%, 25%, etc. So in theory if you had reference samples for each desired % you could verify the DMT content of the plant.
What TLConscious is doing: There is a lot of science, complexity, and the need to test known samples for TLC to be used to ID compounds. TLConscious is basically running a lot of reference samples using very specific perameters for various drugs and also cutting agents. They are packaging together a kit with the EXACT things they are using so your test can be done EXACTLY the same. So basically all you have to do is open the kit, run the test on your compound using the instructions, then match the results to results of their reference tests (probably online but could be printed) so you now if you compound is pure and also what it is.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: SurReality]
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Hello everybody!
Sorry for the delayed posting here, we`ve been very busy lately and didn`t have time to check the forums.
The donations are slowly coming in. It`s 3 weeks to go now, and we still have a long way to go, but we just had some major good news that in the next few days one person will most likely deposit a large amount of money putting us significantly closer to the end goal.. So any small donation at this point is very appreciated and important to us!
Also another great news is that we worked out a cheaper starter version of the kit for 80 euros, nearly half the price, for those with a tight budget! Feel free to check our page here:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/substance-analysis-kits-down-with-adulterants
Thank you for answering questions for us regarding TLC.. Indeed TLC technique is significantly more thorough than only reagent testings. From now on we will post more often now so feel free to ask any further questions.
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Hello everyone, Great Idea hope this thread is not considered dead and aggro the lot by posting here....(last post 21 days) any whom. looking forward to checking out this communities thread and learnig some science... good night everyone.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
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I haven't read through this thread so I apologise if this is already covered in detail elsewhere but I'm curious as to how many uses I could get out of this testing kit? Considering the price I'd be hoping for many, many testings.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: birdland]
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petrovia said: Hello everyone, Great Idea hope this thread is not considered dead and aggro the lot by posting here....(last post 21 days) any whom. looking forward to checking out this communities thread and learnig some science... good night everyone.
You only looked at the first page of posts, it started ~21 days ago. Prior to your post the last post was 15 hours before that :P
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birdland said: I haven't read through this thread so I apologise if this is already covered in detail elsewhere but I'm curious as to how many uses I could get out of this testing kit? Considering the price I'd be hoping for many, many testings.
TLC said the full kit comes with stuff for 50 tests. There is a starter kit on the indiegogo page for 80 euros that comes with 1 less UV light and only 35 tests. Those prices include all the equipment you need as well as the actual plates and solvents (2 uv lights, containers, etc). TLC said he would offer refills that would come out for ~1 euro per test which is a fair price IMO.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#19093031 - 11/05/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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is this just a regular black light?? because i think all i need to do this are those plates.
i want to try these out on some mystery chems sold as mdma...
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: SurReality]
#19093381 - 11/06/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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TLConscious offers 2 UV lights that emit different waves of light which will make different things fluoresce, sometimes the sample being analyzed and sometimes you will add a fluorescent pigment that wil make the plate glow and the sample will be a black spot.
You can make TLC plates out of pieces of glass covered in a thin layer of plaster and use various reagents to make the spots show up (with or without blacklight). This would work for testing if it is a pure or mixed sample but without a known sample tested using the exact same setup you couldn't identify what is on the plate. Using homemade plates makes having a reference sample hard since it is very hard to pour consistently even plates. TLConscious provides actual lab plates and more importantly will provide the reference test for you to compare your tests too. Without those reference tests you will just have a spot on a plate.
I can go into more detail about TLC basics if you want but I'd prefer to either do it via PM or in its own thread so this one doesn't get hijacked.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#19093409 - 11/06/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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how many substances does TLC have references for?
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: SurReality]
#19094108 - 11/06/13 05:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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We have access to standards of most substances that are commonly used (tryptamines, phenetylamines, opiates, RCs, stimulants, etc) and their adulterants
Feel free to ask us about some specific substance, if we have info on that or not.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
#19094844 - 11/06/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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what kind of plate is the standards on? thickness and florescence of the silica?
i don't think all the plates available are the same. i'm looking at some that are "EMD Silica Gel 60 F254 Precoated TLC Plates, 250um"
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Mushroomin]
#19100455 - 11/07/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mushroom do you actually think your sig would do anything if it came to that?
it won't
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: dontknow]
#19100471 - 11/07/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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well it does appear the content he posted is from a fictional movie.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: dontknow]
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dontknow said: Mushroom do you actually think your sig would do anything if it came to that?
it won't
nah. They're just silly words. I'd seen a few "disclaimer" sigs and I thought I'd try my luck at one.
But when I first read your question I thought you were referring to the gif of Eastwood, and if it "came to that," I think he would probably just bust some fools open.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Mushroomin]
#19100778 - 11/07/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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clint eastwood was actually a girl
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Mushroomin]
#19114423 - 11/10/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey this isn't stickies anymore so here's what I think..
I have this idea for a harm reduction business.. If i get you and 30000 other people to donate to my idea of a business to recieve a product that I may or may not have already spec'd out.. Only after I reach this ridiculous amount of capitol to start said business will I be able to actually send out any products or fan fair. Here's a link to my thrown together website and here's a link to a legitimate site ill take the donations.. Remember though if I don't reach this ridiculous amount of capital you'll get a refund
I can't believe no one else has even attempted to think this idea
Great idea! I'd start businesses all day long if I didn't have to involve any of my personal assets
P.s. after pm a mod about this early in the thread when it was first stickies
I really do think this was meant as an insult to the psychedelic community
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: friskie]
#19114451 - 11/10/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i thought you were in jail
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: SurReality]
#19114767 - 11/10/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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LOL for what?? I'm a good guy man.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: friskie]
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: SurReality]
#19115008 - 11/10/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha. That and the similar threads I didn't know about totally made my day!
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: friskie]
#19130027 - 11/13/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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To friskie:
We have been using a similar set up to these kits doing harm reduction work in festivals with great success. We have been trying to gather funds before starting the crowdfunding project, and we had one main investor which had previously given a positive feedback but in the end did not come through unfortunately.
What would you do, if you had a very good idea that could help save lives and be of great use to a community you care about, but had no money for it, and yet the sum necessary was not absurdly high? Wouldn`t you at least try to gather funds through crowdfunding or similar methods?
By the way, we are now in contact with another organization that expressed a great interest in funding us and collaborating to get this going! So even though the crowdfunding is going slow, we very possibly are still going to get this done. We will work something out for all of those who trusted us so far by donating, so that they get some special deal or extra plates or something, if they still want the kit once we have this up and running.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: TLConscious]
#19130618 - 11/13/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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do you have any organizations going within the USA? i'm pretty interested in it, although i would only be comfortable with a very good lawyer who has experience with this area of law.
sounds like a great experience to have even no being paid for work and donating what little money i have...
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: SurReality]
#19143391 - 11/15/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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tldr; can this thing really quantify alkaloid levels in mushroom samples?????
thats pretty important.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: k00laid]
#19143395 - 11/15/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Sheekle]
#19143408 - 11/15/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: k00laid]
#19143533 - 11/16/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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this would be pretty interesting with weed/hash
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: SurReality]
#19143576 - 11/16/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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so i guess its just the regular reagent tests we've been using for years.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: SurReality]
#19143715 - 11/16/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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k00laid said: tldr; can this thing really quantify alkaloid levels in mushroom samples?????
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k00laid said: so i guess its just the regular reagent tests we've been using for years.
Assuming TLConscious uses reference samples for varying degrees of psilo content then you should get a rough estimate of how much is in a batch of mushrooms. Without a reference sample the best you could do is to test 2 batches yourself and you could then judge which one has a higher content and roughly judge how proportional it is.
If you go through this thread and read my and TLConscious responses you will see this is nothing like reagent tests. Thin layer chromotography uses entirely different methods for identification of compounds.
I go into more detail explaining TLC in a separate post in the chem forum as well if you want to understand the science behind it: Here
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SurReality said: this would be pretty interesting with weed/hash
I posted a link to an already existing kit for THC testing somewhere near the beginning of this thread simply as a price comparison. It seems to be designed solely for cannibinoid testing and wouldn't be as suited for testing the variety this one is though. TLConscious explained some of the differences a couple posts after I linked it.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#19145520 - 11/16/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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well i was talking about testing potency.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: dstark]
#19146714 - 11/16/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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if i saw a TLC booth at a festy id slang L real close by lol
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: SurReality]
#19147470 - 11/16/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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SurReality said: well i was talking about testing potency.
Those THC kits do test for potency. Their website it design like crap but on the right side about halfway down the main page is shows THC % concentration test samples.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#19147505 - 11/16/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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what site?
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#19147563 - 11/16/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Smushroom said: Just found similar kits online using TLC for testing THC content in marijuana. It is actually less sophisticated and doesn't include as much equipment than what you are offering. It does seem to be about the same price for the original kit (assuming 10 plates = 50 tests) but the refills are more expensive than what you are offering.
I'm posting the link below for comparison purposes only. I don't want to sound like I am advertising a different company in someone else's thread so if you want me ot remove the link I will.
http://www.thctestkits.com/
I linked it near the beginning of the thread, like page 2. Was trying to avoid linking again so I don't hijack TLC's thread and promote a different product but meh.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#19147578 - 11/16/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol! its the same thing as a TLC test
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Yes, that is the point right?
I don't understand what you are trying to figure out. That company designed their TLC testing kits specifically for cannabinoids and has reference samples specifically for what you find in weed. TLConscious kits are designed for a wider range of chemicals with their main focus on phenethylamines and tryptamines.
Cannabinoids have a completely different solubility than most of the amine salts you would be testing for and would require different solvent selection.
If you read my long post in the chem forum in your column vs TLC post I explain how TLC is used to identify compounds and also how it is used to test for potency.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#19147754 - 11/16/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i guess i was sort of vague. i meant that TLC column tests would be interesting with weed/hash, not TLConcious's tests.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: SurReality]
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OH ok, yeah column chromotography would be what you want to use to purify hash. With the right solvent selection you could even separate the various THCs and CBD.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#19147813 - 11/16/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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blah, i ment TLC chromo not column lol.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: SurReality]
#19147894 - 11/16/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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huh?
TLC chromotography is what those kits I linked use for thc testing.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: Smushroom]
#19147908 - 11/16/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea i know exactly... so are the tests advertised in this thread.
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: SurReality]
#19150865 - 11/17/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great thread, I want one of these now.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: musiclover420]
#19253352 - 12/10/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So whats now TLC? What is going to be with the project?
-------------------- What is a mind, if not something to be messed with? What is consciousness, if not a state to be altered? ~I Feel at Home~
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Re: Substance Analysis Kits: Down with adulterants! [Re: dstark]
#19255756 - 12/10/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My thoughts exactly.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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