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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Epigallo]
    #18971936 - 10/13/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Only one way to find out. Oh and do get your explicit refusals from any and ALL Native Americans around your area, don't be lazy about this stuff. If even one dude accepts you in their Peyote ceremonies, that could mean years of quality tripping for you. Nothing like getting 1-2 refusals and giving up, when in fact some other guy down the street would have said oh ok, why not. If need be,start developing a native heritage all of a sudden, say you just found out you had a Sioux great grandfather or something, and now you want to get back to your roots :lol:

Just do your research properly. Or start hanging out with natives more, get into the culture a bit.



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For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it,
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
    #18973329 - 10/13/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe. Did you say that you have actually gone to one of these ceremonies? This is going to sound biased, and it is - although possibly from a standpoint of ignorance - but I am attracted to something like this for the sense of community. I know Native Americans communities have huge problems with alcoholism and crime due to the poverty imposed on them by the U.S. government. It just makes me question would I be connecting with smart, upstanding people? Is this not a reasonable question?


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Epigallo]
    #18977311 - 10/14/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe. Did you say that you have actually gone to one of these ceremonies? This is going to sound biased, and it is - although possibly from a standpoint of ignorance - but I am attracted to something like this for the sense of community. I know Native Americans communities have huge problems with alcoholism and crime due to the poverty imposed on them by the U.S. government. It just makes me question would I be connecting with smart, upstanding people? Is this not a reasonable question?



Nope, there's no NAC here. I've only been to Santo Daime ceremonies, involving Ayahuasca. That's because I'm in Europe.

That being said, if I were in the States, I'd definitely put in some effort to get with one of these NAC groups, openly or under the radar, whatever works.

Your business is with the cactus, not with the people directly. What the people do is provide a (hopefully) good context for you to have your convo. If there's one or two elders who know what they're talking about and want to throw in some good advice your way, even better. But mainly your convo is with the cactus.

The Santo Daime people are half-Christians, or at least pretend to. They sing about Jesus, Mary and Joseph, while I was there for a one on one convo with the Aya. Now I could have chosen not to go, because I don't dig Christians, but that's just throwing the baby out with the bath water. The sheer power and amazing wonders of the Aya far outweighs a few Christian songs and boring white clothes I had to wear.

You can go to your local NAC, or you can save up and fly to Mexico, Peru, Brazil and so on. Probably way more expensive and dangerous and less practical, as you won't be doing it this month or even year, and you can't do it monthly for the next decade.

Show up to some gatherings, check out some pow wows, especially if it's happening in your area, what do you have to lose?


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For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it,
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
    #18978124 - 10/14/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Okay, maybe I'll try. :smile:

I was looking into Santo Daime and it sounds like a pretty big ordeal to get involved in the U.S. The Christianity is kind of a turn off but I thought maybe the ceremony would take on meaning in the context of an aya trip - as metaphor or symbolism. Really I feel like a religious ceremony based around a trip would completely transform the experience, but from your experience it almost sounds like something you had to deal with in the background. Just kinda interesting.


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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Epigallo]
    #18978352 - 10/14/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

For me, the Santo Daime experience (as I felt it subjectively) has 0% to do with Christianity. The people there are fellow homo sapiens, males and females, providing fantastic music for a great trip. As with shrooms, the aya comes with its own messages and insights, few of which are expressible via text and words. Suffice to say that I literally believed my body had died the first time I took it, it wasn't bad or painful but I was incredibly surprised when I opened my eyes and I was still in the same exact human body, on the chair in the church, not even convulsing on the floor or dismembered in a hospital or anything :lol:

The rest of the trips were somewhat less eventful, in the sense that my mind didn't completely melt, teleporting me way outside of any understandable reality.

Logistics-wise I had to fly across most of Europe to get my ceremonies, don't be surprised if you have to travel for yours. For me it was worth it, but yeh, you decide your own level of involvement.


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For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it,
and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
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