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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: koraks] 1
#18971766 - 10/13/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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RiderOnTheStorm said: Black hippie terrorist jew who didn't exist in objective reality.
Black? You'd call middle eastern people black? Also, it's pretty likely that Jesus existed. Him and a host of other prophets. They popped up all over the place.
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Copy of deities before him, used as a tool to assist with assimilation into Roman life.
I don't quite get the latter statement; you mean the execution of Jesus and early Christians was used as a deterrent to others so that they would more easily integrate into Roman life?
No I mean the entire story and the historical figure of Jesus are fabrications, a romanization of existing jewish lore to help integrate the restless jewish people into roman life. I do not ascribe to the idea that Jesus was a real person, mainly because there is no evidence that he or any of the twelve disciples existed, or that any of them wrote anything about him. I think at most he was an amalgamation of a number of anti-roman jewish political activists, rosily and romanly reflected upon a hundred years later by Paul.
The black thing was a joke, so was the terrorist thing and the hippie thing. Together they make up everything the average Bible thumping redneck can't stand.
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: koraks] 2
#18971770 - 10/13/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's no historical record of amy messiah named jesus.
he was made up by the romans to pacify/separate the jews, and later used by constantine to unite all the pagan peoples under a common flag.
"then how is he so popular?!" same reason santa claus or vishnu are popular.
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Amazing, there have been a few Jesus threads popping up lately. You guys know historians accept his existence as fact right?
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: g00ru]
#18971780 - 10/13/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: g00ru]
#18971789 - 10/13/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here we go...
Can we all atleast agree that WE DONT KNOW if jesus, the man, ever existed.
That doesn't mean we cant integrate his lifestyle into ours and study his teachings and how the 'christs consciousness' molds onto the planet.
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Jusus was not a person, there is no historical records of him, despite a half a dozen historians living only miles away during his supposed time period. In fact there are historical sources saying the very opposite, that he did not in fact exist as a physical person at any point in time.
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: SARAtonin]
#18971807 - 10/13/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's what I believe. If you look back at the timeline it just doesn't add up. Jesus was not mentioned for years after his whole story than all of a sudden he took over. Makes no sense whatsoever.
That said, I wont say anything for sure. Anything is possible.
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: SARAtonin]
#18971813 - 10/13/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_of_nazareth#Existence
However, today virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed and regard events such as his baptism and his crucifixion as historical.[7][222][223] Robert E. Van Voorst and (separately) Michael Grant state that biblical scholars and classical historians now regard theories of the non-existence of Jesus as effectively refuted.[16][17]
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: g00ru] 2
#18971819 - 10/13/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think that has more to do with the Bible-centric view of history that has been ingrained in western culture for centuries, not any evidence that he was a real person.
The only non-Christian sources that mention Jesus are Tacitus, who doesn't really call anyone Jesus but just refers to 12 different jews by the title Christos, and Josephus, whose writings on Jesus some suspect to be a forgery. Josephus also got Pontius Pilate's title wrong, which implies that he is relying on corrupted word of mouth, and he also wrote that Hercules was a living, breathing man among other demigods, so why would I take his word on Jesus?
Every other mention of Jesus was written long after his supposed death, which was an allegory common among the mythologies of the times.
I think there is more evidence for King Arthur's existence than Jesus.
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RiderOnTheStorm said: No I mean the entire story and the historical figure of Jesus are fabrications, a romanization of existing jewish lore to help integrate the restless jewish people into roman life.
You are aware that Christians were actively and violently prosecuted until the 4th century, right? How does that relate to making Jews fit in with the Romans?
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The Ecstatic said: There's no historical record of amy messiah named jesus.
There are many historical records that demonstrate the emergence of dozens of messiahs and Jesus was a popular name in the region at that time. I think it's very likely that there was at least one messiah called Jesus. But I also agree with RiderOnTheStorm that Jesus as we 'know' him today is partly an amalgamation of some of these messiahs and partly lore (or inaccuracy) that was attached to any original records due to imperfect record-keeping over time.
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Like it says in that article, there's about as much evidence of Jesus as there is of anybody from that time period...the Bible is definitely evidence, it is a history after all. Just like we take history from Plato or Herodotus, we take history from the Bible.
Why would we believe any of these people? Because we read their stories and meticulously see how those timelines lead up to the present moment, and it makes sense. I mean look at us talking about Jesus right this second. It's too powerful a phenomenon to be a fiction...The Roman Empire was effected by Christianity and not the other way around...the fracturing of the empire is clear evidence of that.
Look at someone like Gandhi whose life sent shockwaves through the 20th century and still to this day. Jesus was like that except it's been going on for 2000 years.
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: SARAtonin]
#18971847 - 10/13/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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as portrayed in the bible it seems jesus was a socialist hippie.
Mark 12:41-44
New International Version (NIV) The Widow’s Offering
41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.
43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”
The way I view jesus personally, is that he symbolizes the world's largest group of myopic simpletons who are so fucking vapid they can actually believe in lies as blatant as egg laying bunnies in order to assure their untestable delusion of an afterlife. Jesus has been contorted to fit the ideologies and crass displays of willful ignorance to such an extent that if all the believers had to pick him out of a crowd, they would probably glean ted nuggent, or frank zappa. Jesus, to me, is the face of fear for those who do not understand science, or are too proud to re-evaluate what their parents told them growing up.
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Bill_Oreilly said: That's what I believe. If you look back at the timeline it just doesn't add up. Jesus was not mentioned for years after his whole story than all of a sudden he took over. Makes no sense whatsoever.
That said, I wont say anything for sure. Anything is possible.
Anything is not possible. If the son of God walked the earth for thirty years I think the super civilization next door with the immaculate records and libraries of historical documents, he'd be mentioned at least once.
Sure, the Bible has some good messages. There's also verses about god sending bears to kill children for simply laughing.
If you want to live your life as a good person, just be a good person. Don't use some fictional character to worship like a weird comic book fanatic.
I think the world would have figured out that killing and stealing is wrong without the gospel...
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tl;dr just don't be a cunt.
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I'm not even convinced Jesus even existed. Other than the Bible what evidence is there?
There might have been a dude named Yeshua that lived then. Probably was. But that's it.
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: g00ru] 1
#18971886 - 10/13/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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UltraVisitor said: TL;DR : nigga owes me 12 bucks.
you gonna get banned bro 
for real? even without the er?
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: SARAtonin]
#18971891 - 10/13/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah, that's a clever one...
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