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Repertoire89
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Didn't exist.
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mellowparty
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So what you are saying is that you need a solar system identical to ours to have life thriving.
Simply genius. Has it ever occurred you that life might use liquid ammonia instead of water and silicon instead of carbon as a chemical backbone. Or arsenic instead of phosphorus in the DNA backbone or no DNA at all. Or that the host planet could be slightly larger or smaller than Earth or have a slightly different concentration of zinc in the crust. Your way of thinking is simply astonishing.
Also please provide calculations for the trillion trillion thing.
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Gumby]
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Gumby said: Free.Your.Mind, that was a good laugh (your source in particular). Thank you for that. It's cute how you think evolution isn't real. It really is.
its calculations are valid
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mellowparty said: Simply genius. Has it ever occurred you that life might use liquid ammonia instead of water and silicon instead of carbon as a chemical backbone. Or arsenic instead of phosphorus in the DNA backbone or no DNA at all. Or that the host planet could be slightly larger or smaller than Earth or have a slightly different concentration of zinc in the crust.
on what basis do you make this clam?
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mellowparty said: Also please provide calculations for the trillion trillion thing.
OK, each requirement on this partial list of universal constants is highly unlikely to occur at random or by chance. In fact, we could assign odds to each requirement in the same way that we assigned odds to the correct location of Earth relative to the Sun. Scientists and experts have already assigned statistic probabilities for each of these requirements and they range anywhere from 1 in 10 (1/101) to 1 in 1000 (1/103). But let’s be very generous here. Let’s say that each and every one of these terrestrial, solar system and galactic requirement has a 1 in 10 (1/101) chance of happening naturally; let’s assign this 1 in 10 (1/101) probability to each and every one of these 322 requirements, even though scientists say that the odds are much greater.
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akira_akuma said: none of the above. he was just a person.
how could someone have such a impact on history if was just a mere person?
A lot of single person influenced a lot humans' history. Btw none of the above. I think he's been just one of the first persons to understand life's value while being able to explain to others without looking stupid. Or maybe astrological simbolism, I dont understand really well what do you mean with it.
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He was just some guy. A prophet. Not the son of god
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perfect condition for life = intelligent design
There is no numerical value that can express the level of fail in this statement.
"there is less than 1 chance in 1 million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion exists that even one planet like earth could ever exist and support life as earth supports it if the only mechanisms available are natural mechanisms. Now remember how statisticians define what is known as “statistical zero”:
Requirements Related to Planet Earth Correct planetary distance from star Correct inclination of planetary orbit Correct axis tilt of planet Correct rate of change of axial tilt Correct period and size of axis tilt variation Correct planetary rotation period Correct rate of change in planetary rotation period Correct planetary revolution period Correct planetary orbit eccentricity Correct rate of change of planetary orbital eccentricity Correct rate of change of planetary inclination Correct period and size of eccentricity variation Correct period and size of inclination variation Correct precession in planet’s rotation Correct rate of change in planet’s precession Correct number of moons Correct mass and distance of moon Correct surface gravity (escape velocity) Correct tidal force from sun and moon Correct magnetic field Correct rate of change & character of change in magnetic field Correct albedo (planet reflectivity) Correct density density of interstellar and interplanetary dust particles in vicinity of life-support planet Correct reducing strength of planet’s primordial mantle Correct thickness of crust Correct timing of birth of continent formation Correct oceans-to-continents ratio Correct rate of change in oceans to continents ratio Correct global distribution of continents Correct frequency, timing, & extent of ice ages Correct frequency, timing, & extent of global snowball events Correct silicate dust annealing by nebular shocks Correct asteroidal & cometary collision rate Correct change in asteroidal & cometary collision rates Correct rate of change in asteroidal & cometary collision rates Correct mass of body colliding with primordial Earth Correct timing of body colliding with primordial Earth Correct location of body’s collision with primordial Earth Correct position & mass of Jupiter relative to Earth Correct major planet eccentricities Correct major planet orbital instabilities Correct drift and rate of drift in major planet distances Correct number & distribution of planets Correct distance of gas giant planets from mean motion resonances Correct orbital separation distances among inner planets Correct oxygen quantity in the atmosphere Correct nitrogen quantity in the atmosphere Correct carbon monoxide quantity in the atmosphere Correct chlorine quantity in the atmosphere Correct aerosol particle density emitted from the forests Correct cobalt quantity in the earth’s crust Correct arsenic quantity in the earth’s crust Correct copper quantity in the earth’s crust Correct boron quantity in the earth’s crust Correct cadmium quantity in the earth’s crust Correct calcium quantity in the earth’s crust Correct flourine quantity in the earth’s crust Correct iodine quantity in the earth’s crust Correct magnesium quantity in the earth’s crust Correct nickel quantity in crust Correct phosphorus quantity in crust Correct potassium quantity in crust Correct tin quantity in crust Correct zinc quantity in crust Correct molybdenum quantity in crust Correct vanadium quantity in crust Correct chromium quantity in crust Correct selenium quantity in crust Correct iron quantity in oceans Correct tropospheric ozone quantity Correct stratospheric ozone quantity Correct mesospheric ozone quantity Correct water vapor level in atmosphere Correct oxygen to nitrogen ratio in atmosphere Correct quantity of greenhouse gases in atmosphere Correct quantity of greenhouse gases in atmosphere Correct rate of change in greenhouse gases in atmosphere Correct poleward heat transport in atmosphere by mid-latitude storms Correct quantity of forest & grass fires Correct quantity of sea salt aerosols in troposphere Correct soil mineralization Correct quantity of anaeorbic bacteria in the oceans Correct quantity of aerobic bacteria in the oceans Correct quantity of anaerobic nitrogen-fixing bacteria in the early oceans Correct quantity, variety, and timing of sulfate-reducing bacteria Correct quantity of geobacteraceae Correct quantity of aerobic photoheterotrophic bacteria Correct quantity of decomposer bacteria in soil Correct quantity of mycorrhizal fungi in soil Correct quantity of nitrifying microbes in soil Correct quantity & timing of vascular plant introductions Correct quantity, timing, & placement of carbonate-producing animals Correct quantity, timing, & placement of methanogens Correct phosphorus and iron absorption by banded iron formations Correct quantity of soil sulfur Correct ratio of electrically conducting inner core radius to radius of the adjacent turbulent fluid shell Correct ratio of core to shell (see above) magnetic diffusivity Correct magnetic Reynold’s number of the shell (see above) Correct elasticity of iron in the inner core Correct electromagnetic Maxwell shear stresses in the inner core Correct core precession frequency for planet Correct rate of interior heat loss for planet Correct quantity of sulfur in the planet’s core Correct quantity of silicon in the planet’s core Correct quantity of water at subduction zones in the crust Correct quantity of high pressure ice in subducting crustal slabs Correct hydration rate of subducted minerals Correct water absorption capacity of planet’s lower mantle Correct tectonic activity Correct rate of decline in tectonic activity Correct volcanic activity Correct rate of decline in volcanic activity Correct location of volcanic eruptions Correct continental relief Correct viscosity at Earth core boundaries Correct viscosity of lithosphere Correct thickness of mid-mantle boundary Correct rate of sedimentary loading at crustal subduction zones Correct biomass to comet infall ratio Correct regularity of cometary infall Correct number, intensity, and location of hurricanes Correct intensity of primordial cosmic superwinds Correct number of smoking quasars Correct formation of large terrestrial planet in the presence of two or more gas giant planets Correct orbital stability of large terrestrial planet in the presence of two or more gas giant planets Correct total mass of Oort Cloud objects Correct mass distribution of Oort Cloud objects Correct air turbulence in troposphere Correct quantity of sulfate aerosols in troposphere Correct quantity of actinide bioreducing bacteria Correct quantity of phytoplankton Correct hydrothermal alteration of ancient oceanic basalts Correct quantity of iodocarbon-emitting marine organisms Correct location of dislocation creep relative to diffusion creep in and near the crust-mantle boundary (determines mantle convection dynamics) Correct size of oxygen sinks in the planet’s crust Correct size of oxygen sinks in the planet’s mantle Correct mantle plume production Correct average rainfall precipitation Correct variation and timing of average rainfall precipitation Correct atmospheric transparency Correct atmospheric pressure Correct atmospheric viscosity Correct atmospheric electric discharge rate Correct atmospheric temperature gradient Correct carbon dioxide level in atmosphere Correct rates of change in carbon dioxide levels in atmosphere throughout the planet’s history Correct rates of change in water vapor levels in atmosphere throughout the planet’s history Correct rate of change in methane level in early atmosphere Correct Q-value (rigidity) of planet during its early history Correct variation in Q-value of planet during its early history Correct migration of planet during its formation in the protoplanetary disk Correct viscosity gradient in protoplanetary disk Correct frequency of late impacts by large asteroids and comets Correct size of the carbon sink in the deep mantle of the planet Correct ratio of dual water molecules, (H2O)2, to single water molecules, H 2O, in the troposphere Correct quantity of volatiles on and in Earth-sized planet in the habitable zone Correct triggering of El Nino events by explosive volcanic eruptions Correct time window between the peak of kerogen production and the appearance of intelligent life Correct time window between the production of cisterns in the planet’s crust that can effectively collect and store petroleum and natural gas and the appearance of intelligent life Correct efficiency of flows of silicate melt, hypersaline hydrothermal fluids, and hydrothermal vapors in the upper crust Correct efficiency of ocean pumps that return nutrients to ocean surfaces Correct sulfur and sulfate content of oceans Correct orientation of continents relative to prevailing winds Correct infall of buckminsterfullerenes from interplanetary and interstellar space upon surface of planet Correct quantity of silicic acid in the oceans Correct heat flow through the planet’s mantle from radiometric decay in planet’s core Correct water absorption by planet’s mantle
http://pleaseconvinceme.com/2012/evidence-for-god-from-probability/
http://experimentalmath.info/blog/2009/08/misuse-of-probability-by-creation-scientists-and-others/
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More importantly, this and almost all similar probability-based arguments against evolution suffer from the fallacy of presuming that biological structures such as alpha globin arise by a single all-or-nothing random trial. Instead, available evidence suggests that alpha globin and other proteins arose as the end product of a long sequence of intermediate steps, each of which was biologically useful in an earlier context. Probability calculations such as the above, which do not take into account the process by which the structure came to be, are not meaningful and can easily mislead [Musgrave].
Along this line, consider snowflakes. Bentley and Humphrey’s book Snow Crystals [Bentley] includes over 2000 high-resolution black-and-white photos of real snowflakes, each with intricate yet highly regular patterns (a few of the Bentley-Humphrey photos are posted at Online article). The chances that one particular structure, with striking near-perfect 6-way symmetry, can form “at random” can be calculated as roughly one part in 10^(2500). Does this astoundingly small probability figure constitute proof that individual snowflakes have been intelligently designed? Obviously not. The fallacy, once again, is presuming a sudden, all-at-once random formation. Instead, snowflakes, like biological organisms, are formed as the product of a series of steps, acting under natural laws with some element of chance.
There was a really good youtube video debunking this one (your argument) and your post reminded me of it and now I can't find it and its bothering me enough that I've searched for it for like an hour.
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To me the legend of Jesus is proof of the power of martyrdom, groupthink, peer pressure, and suggestibility. A reminder of how many people just want someone to save them.
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If the universe is infinite then it becomes a statistical certainty that the conditions for life exist here and elsewhere. Even if it isn't infinite, but just as large as we've currently observed, the chances of there being a multitude of different life supporting habitats are very good.
There was never a beginning to reality. It just fucking is, and always will be.
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all that stuff is like some nerdy lord of the rings/star wars shit that people were all into back when people were even stupider than now and there was only like 1000 books instead of a trillion.
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Repertoire89 said: Didn't exist.

Made up, guy wasn't even real.
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Everlong] 1
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: mellowparty] 1
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NotTheDevil said: Misuse of probability by “creation scientists” said
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[...] Instead, available evidence suggests that alpha globin and other proteins arose as the end product of a long sequence of intermediate steps, each of which was biologically useful in an earlier context. [...]
Exactly. Cf. Simon 1962 'The Architecture of Complexity'.
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Free.Your.Mind said: OK, each requirement on this partial list of universal constants is highly unlikely to occur at random or by chance.
You still haven't gone into mellowparty's valid response to your tunnel-vision arguments:
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mellowparty said: You seem to be unable to comprehend the idea that life evolved around the conditions which made the conditions appear perfect.
For all we know, there might be life inside gas giants - but based on totally different building blocks than terrestrial life. In addition, we're also starting to find planets (dozens of them, so far) that seem really similar to earth in terms of the pre-conditions for earth-like life. If it's intelligent design, it's definitely a design effort with risk management through sheer numbers: don't try it once, but try it a million times and see what happens.
Still, the intelligent design concepts remains an implausible deus ex machina conjured up by people unwilling or incapable of accepting how practically infinite degrees of freedom over billions of years can result in really weird patterns - such as life.
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akira_akuma said: none of the above. he was just a person.
how could someone have such a impact on history if was just a mere person?
That was a really dumb question. 1000s of names are remembered from even before jeusus. Anyways Jesus is a communist
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akira_akuma said: none of the above. he was just a person.
That is true. Thus why I voted "astrological symbolism"
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You could also vote "1/2 man 1/2 alien" because, as far s im concerned, we ALL have 1 foot in the sludge and 1 foot in the "hyper-web of interconnectedness beauty" which equals out to 1/2 man 1/2 alien
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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mellowparty
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mellowparty said: Simply genius. Has it ever occurred you that life might use liquid ammonia instead of water and silicon instead of carbon as a chemical backbone. Or arsenic instead of phosphorus in the DNA backbone or no DNA at all. Or that the host planet could be slightly larger or smaller than Earth or have a slightly different concentration of zinc in the crust.
on what basis do you make this clam?
Because its theoretically possible and if you did some proper reading you'd be amazed of how resilient and adaptive life is. For example there are organisms on earth that can substitute phosphorus for arsenic in their DNA if they have insufficient phosphorus in their environment. Also there is a body of evidence suggesting that life is constantly bombarding earth from outer space but I would refrain from making definitive statements about that. Scientists constantly discover Earth-like planets but yeah they're not Earth clones.
What I don't understand is why do you assume that life needs conditions identical to those found on earth?
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Black hippie terrorist jew who didn't exist in objective reality. Copy of deities before him, used as a tool to assist with assimilation into Roman life.
If intelligent design were real, there would be an intelligent theory behind it, and it would resonate with intelligent people.
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I'm down with Jesus 8) Christ energy yo, it's given me quite a lot in life.
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RiderOnTheStorm said: Black hippie terrorist jew who didn't exist in objective reality.
Black? You'd call middle eastern people black? Also, it's pretty likely that Jesus existed. Him and a host of other prophets. They popped up all over the place.
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Copy of deities before him, used as a tool to assist with assimilation into Roman life.
I don't quite get the latter statement; you mean the execution of Jesus and early Christians was used as a deterrent to others so that they would more easily integrate into Roman life?
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