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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #18970844 - 10/13/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Didn't exist.


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    #18970863 - 10/13/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So what you are saying is that you need a solar system identical to ours to have life thriving.

Simply genius. Has it ever occurred you that life might use liquid ammonia instead of water and silicon instead of carbon as a chemical backbone. Or arsenic instead of phosphorus in the DNA backbone or no DNA at all. Or that the host planet could be slightly larger or smaller than Earth or have a slightly different concentration of zinc in the crust. Your way of thinking is simply astonishing.

Also please provide calculations for the trillion trillion thing.


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Gumby]
    #18970870 - 10/13/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Free.Your.Mind, that was a good laugh (your source in particular). Thank you for that. It's cute how you think evolution isn't real. It really is.




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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: mellowparty]
    #18970880 - 10/13/13 01:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Simply genius. Has it ever occurred you that life might use liquid ammonia instead of water and silicon instead of carbon as a chemical backbone. Or arsenic instead of phosphorus in the DNA backbone or no DNA at all. Or that the host planet could be slightly larger or smaller than Earth or have a slightly different concentration of zinc in the crust.




on what basis do you make this clam?

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Also please provide calculations for the trillion trillion thing.




OK, each requirement on this partial list of universal constants  is highly unlikely to occur at random or by chance. In fact, we could assign odds to each requirement in the same way that we assigned odds to the correct location of Earth relative to the Sun. Scientists and experts have already assigned statistic probabilities for each of these requirements and they range anywhere from 1 in 10 (1/101) to 1 in 1000 (1/103). But let’s be very generous here. Let’s say that each and every one of these terrestrial, solar system and galactic requirement has a 1 in 10 (1/101) chance of happening naturally; let’s assign this 1 in 10 (1/101) probability to each and every one of these 322 requirements, even though scientists say that the odds are much greater.


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #18970889 - 10/13/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
none of the above. he was just a person.




how could someone have such a impact on history if was just a mere person?




A lot of single person influenced a lot humans' history.
Btw none of the above. I think he's been just one of the first persons to understand life's value while being able to explain to others without looking stupid. Or maybe astrological simbolism, I dont understand really well what do you mean with it.


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Brown Buffalo]
    #18970899 - 10/13/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

He was just some guy. A prophet. Not the son of god


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #18970903 - 10/13/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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perfect condition for life = intelligent design



There is no numerical value that can express the level of fail in this statement.




"there is less than 1 chance in 1 million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion exists that even one planet like earth could ever exist and support life as earth supports it if the only mechanisms available are natural mechanisms. Now remember how statisticians define what is known as “statistical zero”:

Requirements Related to Planet Earth
Correct planetary distance from star
Correct inclination of planetary orbit
Correct axis tilt of planet
Correct rate of change of axial tilt
Correct period and size of axis tilt variation
Correct planetary rotation period
Correct rate of change in planetary rotation period
Correct planetary revolution period
Correct planetary orbit eccentricity
Correct rate of change of planetary orbital eccentricity
Correct rate of change of planetary inclination
Correct period and size of eccentricity variation
Correct period and size of inclination variation
Correct precession in planet’s rotation
Correct rate of change in planet’s precession
Correct number of moons
Correct mass and distance of moon
Correct surface gravity (escape velocity)
Correct tidal force from sun and moon
Correct magnetic field
Correct rate of change & character of change in magnetic field
Correct albedo (planet reflectivity)
Correct density density of interstellar and interplanetary dust particles in vicinity of life-support planet
Correct reducing strength of planet’s primordial mantle
Correct thickness of crust
Correct timing of birth of continent formation
Correct oceans-to-continents ratio
Correct rate of change in oceans to continents ratio
Correct global distribution of continents
Correct frequency, timing, & extent of ice ages
Correct frequency, timing, & extent of global snowball events
Correct silicate dust annealing by nebular shocks
Correct asteroidal & cometary collision rate
Correct change in asteroidal & cometary collision rates
Correct rate of change in asteroidal & cometary collision rates
Correct mass of body colliding with primordial Earth
Correct timing of body colliding with primordial Earth
Correct location of body’s collision with primordial Earth
Correct position & mass of Jupiter relative to Earth
Correct major planet eccentricities
Correct major planet orbital instabilities
Correct drift and rate of drift in major planet distances
Correct number & distribution of planets
Correct distance of gas giant planets from mean motion resonances
Correct orbital separation distances among inner planets
Correct oxygen quantity in the atmosphere
Correct nitrogen quantity in the atmosphere
Correct carbon monoxide quantity in the atmosphere
Correct chlorine quantity in the atmosphere
Correct aerosol particle density emitted from the forests
Correct cobalt quantity in the earth’s crust
Correct arsenic quantity in the earth’s crust
Correct copper quantity in the earth’s crust
Correct boron quantity in the earth’s crust
Correct cadmium quantity in the earth’s crust
Correct calcium quantity in the earth’s crust
Correct flourine quantity in the earth’s crust
Correct iodine quantity in the earth’s crust
Correct magnesium quantity in the earth’s crust
Correct nickel quantity in crust
Correct phosphorus quantity in crust
Correct potassium quantity in crust
Correct tin quantity in crust
Correct zinc quantity in crust
Correct molybdenum quantity in crust
Correct vanadium quantity in crust
Correct chromium quantity in crust
Correct selenium quantity in crust
Correct iron quantity in oceans
Correct tropospheric ozone quantity
Correct stratospheric ozone quantity
Correct mesospheric ozone quantity
Correct water vapor level in atmosphere
Correct oxygen to nitrogen ratio in atmosphere
Correct quantity of greenhouse gases in atmosphere
Correct quantity of greenhouse gases in atmosphere
Correct rate of change in greenhouse gases in atmosphere
Correct poleward heat transport in atmosphere by mid-latitude storms
Correct quantity of forest & grass fires
Correct quantity of sea salt aerosols in troposphere
Correct soil mineralization
Correct quantity of anaeorbic bacteria in the oceans
Correct quantity of aerobic bacteria in the oceans
Correct quantity of anaerobic nitrogen-fixing bacteria in the early oceans
Correct quantity, variety, and timing of sulfate-reducing bacteria
Correct quantity of geobacteraceae
Correct quantity of aerobic photoheterotrophic bacteria
Correct quantity of decomposer bacteria in soil
Correct quantity of mycorrhizal fungi in soil
Correct quantity of nitrifying microbes in soil
Correct quantity & timing of vascular plant introductions
Correct quantity, timing, & placement of carbonate-producing animals
Correct quantity, timing, & placement of methanogens
Correct phosphorus and iron absorption by banded iron formations
Correct quantity of soil sulfur
Correct ratio of electrically conducting inner core radius to radius of the adjacent turbulent fluid shell
Correct ratio of core to shell (see above) magnetic diffusivity
Correct magnetic Reynold’s number of the shell (see above)
Correct elasticity of iron in the inner core
Correct electromagnetic Maxwell shear stresses in the inner core
Correct core precession frequency for planet
Correct rate of interior heat loss for planet
Correct quantity of sulfur in the planet’s core
Correct quantity of silicon in the planet’s core
Correct quantity of water at subduction zones in the crust
Correct quantity of high pressure ice in subducting crustal slabs
Correct hydration rate of subducted minerals
Correct water absorption capacity of planet’s lower mantle
Correct tectonic activity
Correct rate of decline in tectonic activity
Correct volcanic activity
Correct rate of decline in volcanic activity
Correct location of volcanic eruptions
Correct continental relief
Correct viscosity at Earth core boundaries
Correct viscosity of lithosphere
Correct thickness of mid-mantle boundary
Correct rate of sedimentary loading at crustal subduction zones
Correct biomass to comet infall ratio
Correct regularity of cometary infall
Correct number, intensity, and location of hurricanes
Correct intensity of primordial cosmic superwinds
Correct number of smoking quasars
Correct formation of large terrestrial planet in the presence of two or more gas giant planets
Correct orbital stability of large terrestrial planet in the presence of two or more gas giant planets
Correct total mass of Oort Cloud objects
Correct mass distribution of Oort Cloud objects
Correct air turbulence in troposphere
Correct quantity of sulfate aerosols in troposphere
Correct quantity of actinide bioreducing bacteria
Correct quantity of phytoplankton
Correct hydrothermal alteration of ancient oceanic basalts
Correct quantity of iodocarbon-emitting marine organisms
Correct location of dislocation creep relative to diffusion creep in and near the crust-mantle boundary (determines mantle convection dynamics)
Correct size of oxygen sinks in the planet’s crust
Correct size of oxygen sinks in the planet’s mantle
Correct mantle plume production
Correct average rainfall precipitation
Correct variation and timing of average rainfall precipitation
Correct atmospheric transparency
Correct atmospheric pressure
Correct atmospheric viscosity
Correct atmospheric electric discharge rate
Correct atmospheric temperature gradient
Correct carbon dioxide level in atmosphere
Correct rates of change in carbon dioxide levels in atmosphere throughout the planet’s history
Correct rates of change in water vapor levels in atmosphere throughout the planet’s history
Correct rate of change in methane level in early atmosphere
Correct Q-value (rigidity) of planet during its early history
Correct variation in Q-value of planet during its early history
Correct migration of planet during its formation in the protoplanetary disk
Correct viscosity gradient in protoplanetary disk
Correct frequency of late impacts by large asteroids and comets
Correct size of the carbon sink in the deep mantle of the planet
Correct ratio of dual water molecules, (H2O)2, to single water molecules, H 2O, in the troposphere
Correct quantity of volatiles on and in Earth-sized planet in the habitable zone
Correct triggering of El Nino events by explosive volcanic eruptions
Correct time window between the peak of kerogen production and the appearance of intelligent life
Correct time window between the production of cisterns in the planet’s crust that can effectively collect and store petroleum and natural gas and the appearance of intelligent life
Correct efficiency of flows of silicate melt, hypersaline hydrothermal fluids, and hydrothermal vapors in the upper crust
Correct efficiency of ocean pumps that return nutrients to ocean surfaces
Correct sulfur and sulfate content of oceans
Correct orientation of continents relative to prevailing winds
Correct infall of buckminsterfullerenes from interplanetary and interstellar space upon surface of planet
Correct quantity of silicic acid in the oceans
Correct heat flow through the planet’s mantle from radiometric decay in planet’s core
Correct water absorption by planet’s mantle




http://pleaseconvinceme.com/2012/evidence-for-god-from-probability/




http://experimentalmath.info/blog/2009/08/misuse-of-probability-by-creation-scientists-and-others/

Misuse of probability by “creation scientists” said
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More importantly, this and almost all similar probability-based arguments against evolution suffer from the fallacy of presuming that biological structures such as alpha globin arise by a single all-or-nothing random trial. Instead, available evidence suggests that alpha globin and other proteins arose as the end product of a long sequence of intermediate steps, each of which was biologically useful in an earlier context. Probability calculations such as the above, which do not take into account the process by which the structure came to be, are not meaningful and can easily mislead [Musgrave].

Along this line, consider snowflakes. Bentley and Humphrey’s book Snow Crystals [Bentley] includes over 2000 high-resolution black-and-white photos of real snowflakes, each with intricate yet highly regular patterns (a few of the Bentley-Humphrey photos are posted at Online article). The chances that one particular structure, with striking near-perfect 6-way symmetry, can form “at random” can be calculated as roughly one part in 10^(2500). Does this astoundingly small probability figure constitute proof that individual snowflakes have been intelligently designed? Obviously not. The fallacy, once again, is presuming a sudden, all-at-once random formation. Instead, snowflakes, like biological organisms, are formed as the product of a series of steps, acting under natural laws with some element of chance.



There was a really good youtube video debunking this one (your argument) and your post reminded me of it and now I can't find it and its bothering me enough that I've searched for it for like an hour.


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Free.Your.Mind] * 1
    #18970931 - 10/13/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

To me the legend of Jesus is proof of the power of martyrdom, groupthink, peer pressure, and suggestibility.  A  reminder of how many people just want someone to save them.


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18970953 - 10/13/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

1/2 man 1/2 alien

If the universe is infinite then it becomes a statistical certainty that the conditions for life exist here and elsewhere. Even if it isn't infinite, but just as large as we've currently observed, the chances of there being a multitude of different life supporting habitats are very good.

There was never a beginning to reality. It just fucking is, and always will be.


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #18971010 - 10/13/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

all that stuff is like some nerdy lord of the rings/star wars shit that people were all into back when people were even stupider than now and there was only like 1000 books instead of a trillion.


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18971139 - 10/13/13 05:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Didn't exist.



:thumbup:

Made up, guy wasn't even real.


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Everlong] * 1
    #18971146 - 10/13/13 05:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: mellowparty] * 1
    #18971155 - 10/13/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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NotTheDevil said:
Misuse of probability by “creation scientists” said
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[...] Instead, available evidence suggests that alpha globin and other proteins arose as the end product of a long sequence of intermediate steps, each of which was biologically useful in an earlier context. [...]







Exactly. Cf. Simon 1962 'The Architecture of Complexity'.

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OK, each requirement on this partial list of universal constants  is highly unlikely to occur at random or by chance.



You still haven't gone into mellowparty's valid response to your tunnel-vision arguments:
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mellowparty said:
You seem to be unable to comprehend the idea that life evolved around the conditions which made the conditions appear perfect.



For all we know, there might be life inside gas giants - but based on totally different building blocks than terrestrial life. In addition, we're also starting to find planets (dozens of them, so far) that seem really similar to earth in terms of the pre-conditions for earth-like life. If it's intelligent design, it's definitely a design effort with risk management through sheer numbers: don't try it once, but try it a million times and see what happens.

Still, the intelligent design concepts remains an implausible deus ex machina conjured up by people unwilling or incapable of accepting how practically infinite degrees of freedom over billions of years can result in really weird patterns - such as life.


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Free.Your.Mind] * 1
    #18971168 - 10/13/13 05:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
none of the above. he was just a person.




how could someone have such a impact on history if was just a mere person?



That was a really dumb  question.
1000s of names are remembered from even before jeusus. Anyways Jesus is a communist


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18971338 - 10/13/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
none of the above. he was just a person.




That is true. Thus why I voted "astrological symbolism"


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Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #18971341 - 10/13/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You could also vote "1/2 man 1/2 alien" because, as far s im concerned, we ALL have 1 foot in the sludge and 1 foot in the "hyper-web of interconnectedness beauty" which equals out to 1/2 man 1/2 alien


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #18971540 - 10/13/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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mellowparty said:
Simply genius. Has it ever occurred you that life might use liquid ammonia instead of water and silicon instead of carbon as a chemical backbone. Or arsenic instead of phosphorus in the DNA backbone or no DNA at all. Or that the host planet could be slightly larger or smaller than Earth or have a slightly different concentration of zinc in the crust.




on what basis do you make this clam?




Because its theoretically possible and if you did some proper reading you'd be amazed of how resilient and adaptive life is. For example there are organisms on earth that can substitute phosphorus for arsenic in their DNA if they have insufficient phosphorus in their environment. Also there is a body of evidence suggesting that life is constantly bombarding earth from outer space but I would refrain from making definitive statements about that. Scientists constantly discover Earth-like planets but yeah they're not Earth clones.

What I don't understand is why do you assume that life needs conditions identical to those found on earth?


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Free.Your.Mind] * 2
    #18971705 - 10/13/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Black hippie terrorist jew who didn't exist in objective reality. Copy of deities before him, used as a tool to assist with assimilation into Roman life.

If intelligent design were real, there would be an intelligent theory behind it, and it would resonate with intelligent people. :tongue:


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #18971724 - 10/13/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm down with Jesus 8) Christ energy yo, it's given me quite a lot in life.


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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #18971726 - 10/13/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Black hippie terrorist jew who didn't exist in objective reality.



Black? You'd call middle eastern people black?
Also, it's pretty likely that Jesus existed. Him and a host of other prophets. They popped up all over the place.

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Copy of deities before him, used as a tool to assist with assimilation into Roman life.



I don't quite get the latter statement; you mean the execution of Jesus and early Christians was used as a deterrent to others so that they would more easily integrate into Roman life?


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