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Psychedelics 1
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Which came first..
The human, or the psychedelic?
Why do we have the receptors in our brains which allow psychedelics or any drug for that matter to take effect?
It seems that drugs were specifically designed for human intake, proven by the fact that we are their greatest consumer and producer.
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Re: Psychedelics [Re: hTx]
#18970900 - 10/13/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure that the universe is psychedelic so the universe came first and that means psychedelic came first. That also means humans are psychedelic.
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Re: Psychedelics [Re: hTx] 1
#18970916 - 10/13/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It seems that drugs were specifically designed for human intake
What it appears to you has zero bearing on fact.
Who 'designed' these chemicals and what evidence do you have for such? That's right - you got nothing.
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It seems that drugs were specifically designed for human intake
What it appears to you has zero bearing on fact.
Who 'designed' these chemicals and what evidence do you have for such? That's right - you got nothing.
The evidence is that God loves us, wants us to be happy, and gave us the means to expand our minds to their full potential. If prehistoric apes didn't come down from the trees to eat those mushrooms, we'd still be hiding from ground dwelling predators.
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I'm surprised humans can survive using such "logic".
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Well that is the question..my conclusion that drugs are specifically designed for human consumption comes from prevalent evidence of drug use specifically by humans alone.
No other animal actively seeks and uses drugs.
Terence Mckenna may have been on to something with his stoned ape theory.
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Re: Psychedelics [Re: hTx] 1
#18970952 - 10/13/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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hTx said: Well that is the question..my conclusion that drugs are specifically designed for human consumption comes from prevalent evidence of drug use specifically by humans alone.
No other animal actively seeks and uses drugs.
Terence Mckenna may have been on to something with his stoned ape theory.
Other animals do use drugs. Alcohol is a drug. My cat actively sought out and used catnip.
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hTx said: Well that is the question..my conclusion that drugs are specifically designed for human consumption comes from prevalent evidence of drug use specifically by humans alone.
No other animal actively seeks and uses drugs.
Terence Mckenna may have been on to something with his stoned ape theory.
Other animals do use drugs. Alcohol is a drug. My cat actively sought out and used catnip.
...and elephants purposely seek out fermented fruit. Sharks relax in high O2 ocean water. The only creatures that demand to be sober, are the ones that want to control what everything else does.
I used to be a committed Agnostic, but then life happened, and I learned more about what it takes life as we know it to flourish. I REFUSE to believe that the inner ear evolved without outside help. Look it up. It is NOT random chance that we know which way up is.
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If you refuse to believe something then your mind is shut.
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hTx said: Well that is the question..my conclusion that drugs are specifically designed for human consumption comes from prevalent evidence of drug use specifically by humans alone.
No other animal actively seeks and uses drugs.
Terence Mckenna may have been on to something with his stoned ape theory.
Other animals do use drugs. Alcohol is a drug. My cat actively sought out and used catnip.
Animals stumble upon drugs in the wild and consume them mostly by accident, as is the case with alcohol consumption of animals in the wild. Your cat was introduced to catnip by none other than yourself. Elephants and primates that seek out fermented fruit belong to 'higher' intelligence branches of the DNA life tree; further proving to myself atleast, that drugs were designed for intelligent whatevers to consume, for beneficial evolutionary reasons. If drugs are meant to be used by intelligent creatures, as seems the case, than what would that mean exactly?
why are there drugs which alter our consciousness in such profound ways and of which only humans have the ability to produce and consume on a regular basis?
It seems this is something we don't really ask ourselves..we just kind of get drugged up and happy they exist to begin with.
Maybe drugs exist for the same reason we find it awesome to see cats enjoying catnip. Or maybe they are little accelerator pads of evolution designed by DNA as such.
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I just can't see the inner ear coming about by random chance. It's too complex.
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Re: Psychedelics [Re: hTx] 1
#18970978 - 10/13/13 02:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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hTx said: Which came first..
The human, or the psychedelic?
Why do we have the receptors in our brains which allow psychedelics or any drug for that matter to take effect?
It seems that drugs were specifically designed for human intake, proven by the fact that we are their greatest consumer and producer.
Why do we feel anything? I suspect that many drugs work by copying or blocking the effects of chemicals that naturally occur in the brain
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Re: Psychedelics [Re: hTx]
#18971003 - 10/13/13 03:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually my cat found it growing in a neighbors garden. And I don't see how that supports your claim that only humans use these substances. You always do this it seems. You switch subject when confronted with evidence contrary to your claims.
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OgreLokon said: I just can't see the inner ear coming about by random chance. It's too complex.
So something can't be true because it doesn't seem possible to you? Well that's a pretty typical human response towards their own lack of knowledge.
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OgreLokon said: I just can't see the inner ear coming about by random chance. It's too complex.
So something can't be true because it doesn't seem possible to you? Well that's a pretty typical human response towards their own lack of knowledge.
Then explain your Atheisism
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OgreLokon said: I just can't see the inner ear coming about by random chance. It's too complex.
So something can't be true because it doesn't seem possible to you? Well that's a pretty typical human response towards their own lack of knowledge.
Then explain your Atheisism
Shouldn't your very lack of understanding be what prevents you from jumping to conclusions? I.e. I don't understand the complexity of the inner ear, therefore I'm not going to infer anything about it and will struggle to learn more and adjust my opinion over time. Instead we have 'it seems complex' therefore someone must have designed it, like my iPhone that miraculously seems to work.
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OgreLokon said: I just can't see the inner ear coming about by random chance. It's too complex.
So something can't be true because it doesn't seem possible to you? Well that's a pretty typical human response towards their own lack of knowledge.
Then explain your Atheisism
Shouldn't your very lack of understanding be what prevents you from jumping to conclusions?
Et tu? (Isn't that what you're doing? /translated for the closed minded) Since when has jumping to conclusions ever been anything that a logic minded person does? Do you believe in aliens? That you can win the lottery? Faith has a place in this world. The laws of science were put in this universe billions of years before this planet was even formed. Something wrote those laws.
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Shouldn't your very lack of understanding be what prevents you from jumping to conclusions? I.e. I don't understand the complexity of the inner ear, therefore I'm not going to infer anything about it and will struggle to learn more and adjust my opinion over time. Instead we have 'it seems complex' therefore someone must have designed it, like my iPhone that miraculously seems to work.
Exactly. Someone designed your iPhone. Someone designed a microscpoic maze in each side of your skull with even smaller pebbles inside them so that you you know directions besides down.
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Yes, by fessing up that I'm still a student in this world that's trying to make sense of it, I've evaded the burden of having to rationalize how things must be because I very well may never understand them. That's okay by me, why the pretense?
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So something can't be true because it doesn't seem possible to you? Well that's a pretty typical human response towards their own lack of knowledge.
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It seems that drugs were specifically designed for human intake
What it appears to you has zero bearing on fact.
Who 'designed' these chemicals and what evidence do you have for such? That's right - you got nothing.
The evidence is that God loves us, wants us to be happy, and gave us the means to expand our minds to their full potential. If prehistoric apes didn't come down from the trees to eat those mushrooms, we'd still be hiding from ground dwelling predators.
SOMETHING gave us that gift. The ability to upgrade ourselves. To learn. To expand.
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