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Your View about JESUS
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none of the above. he was just a person.
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the answer is in my sig
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: zZZz]
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zZZz said: the answer is in my sig
what is your view on the bible?
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akira_akuma said: none of the above. he was just a person.
how could someone have such a impact on history if was just a mere person?
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because a bunch of people made him important. then they made up stories (heavily facetious) stories about the parables that Jesus taught.
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zZZz said: the answer is in my sig
what is your view on the bible?
i think everyone can learn at least one good thing from it, and no not through negativity.. i see you in the bushes atheist.
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: zZZz]
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: zZZz]
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what is your view on the bible?
i think everyone can learn at least one good thing from it, and no not through negativity.. i see you in the bushes atheist. 
to think there is no creator is foolish
the earth is to perfect in a sense that the conditions are just right from life perfect condition for life = intelligent design
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akira_akuma said: none of the above. he was just a person.
This. He was just some dude.
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: zZZz]
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and no not through negativity.. i see you in the bushes atheist. 
 Although one could learn something I would rather they try somewhere else considering the bible's punishment for a man who (heterosexually) rapes a virgin is that he has to marry her.
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: NotTheDevil] 5
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perfect condition for life = intelligent design
There is no numerical value that can express the level of fail in this statement.
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Idk I thought Jesus was a pretty sub par football player. His tackling form was atrocious.
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: NotTheDevil] 1
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and no not through negativity.. i see you in the bushes atheist. 
 Although one could learn something I would rather they try somewhere else considering the bible's punishment for a man who (heterosexually) rapes a virgin is that he has to marry her.
hey im not saying it's perfect. there is some stuff in there that puzzles me. but i've found bits of wisdom in it almost similar to the wisdom you would find in buddhist philosophy.
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: zZZz]
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NotTheDevil said: Although one could learn something I would rather they try somewhere else considering the bible's punishment for a man who (heterosexually) rapes a virgin is that he has to marry her.
hey im not saying it's perfect. there is some stuff in there that puzzles me. but i've found bits of wisdom in it almost similar to the wisdom you would find in buddhist philosophy.
just as you are not saying perfect I am not saying it is completely wrong, simply stating that although there is some good stuff in there it is best not to take it as a strong moral authority
You have too many nested quotes in your post. You can only have 4 subsequent nested quotes.
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Your one graph argument does not address my remark. You seem to be unable to comprehend the idea that life evolved around the conditions which made the conditions appear perfect.
In fact life itself changed those conditions. Oxygen was not always perfect for breathing, it was actually extremely toxic early on in the evolution of Earth. It was cyanobacteria that took advantage of the sun's electromagnetic radiation to gain reductive power and expelled oxygen as a toxic byproduct.
I suggest you read on some serious biochemistry and genetics and cut the creationism crap, its gonna give you brain damage.
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mellowparty said: Your one graph argument does not address my remark. You seem to be unable to comprehend the idea that life evolved around the conditions which made the conditions appear perfect.
In fact life itself changed those conditions. Oxygen was not always perfect for breathing, it was actually extremely toxic early on in the evolution of Earth. It was cyanobacteria that took advantage of the sun's electromagnetic radiation to gain reductive power and expelled oxygen as a toxic byproduct.
I suggest you read on some serious biochemistry and genetics and cut the creationism crap, its gonna give you brain damage.
In fact all it seems to show is that people realized calling themselves creationists makes them sound retarded so they switched to a more scientific sounding name
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perfect condition for life = intelligent design
There is no numerical value that can express the level of fail in this statement.
"there is less than 1 chance in 1 million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion exists that even one planet like earth could ever exist and support life as earth supports it if the only mechanisms available are natural mechanisms. Now remember how statisticians define what is known as “statistical zero”:
Requirements Related to Planet Earth Correct planetary distance from star Correct inclination of planetary orbit Correct axis tilt of planet Correct rate of change of axial tilt Correct period and size of axis tilt variation Correct planetary rotation period Correct rate of change in planetary rotation period Correct planetary revolution period Correct planetary orbit eccentricity Correct rate of change of planetary orbital eccentricity Correct rate of change of planetary inclination Correct period and size of eccentricity variation Correct period and size of inclination variation Correct precession in planet’s rotation Correct rate of change in planet’s precession Correct number of moons Correct mass and distance of moon Correct surface gravity (escape velocity) Correct tidal force from sun and moon Correct magnetic field Correct rate of change & character of change in magnetic field Correct albedo (planet reflectivity) Correct density density of interstellar and interplanetary dust particles in vicinity of life-support planet Correct reducing strength of planet’s primordial mantle Correct thickness of crust Correct timing of birth of continent formation Correct oceans-to-continents ratio Correct rate of change in oceans to continents ratio Correct global distribution of continents Correct frequency, timing, & extent of ice ages Correct frequency, timing, & extent of global snowball events Correct silicate dust annealing by nebular shocks Correct asteroidal & cometary collision rate Correct change in asteroidal & cometary collision rates Correct rate of change in asteroidal & cometary collision rates Correct mass of body colliding with primordial Earth Correct timing of body colliding with primordial Earth Correct location of body’s collision with primordial Earth Correct position & mass of Jupiter relative to Earth Correct major planet eccentricities Correct major planet orbital instabilities Correct drift and rate of drift in major planet distances Correct number & distribution of planets Correct distance of gas giant planets from mean motion resonances Correct orbital separation distances among inner planets Correct oxygen quantity in the atmosphere Correct nitrogen quantity in the atmosphere Correct carbon monoxide quantity in the atmosphere Correct chlorine quantity in the atmosphere Correct aerosol particle density emitted from the forests Correct cobalt quantity in the earth’s crust Correct arsenic quantity in the earth’s crust Correct copper quantity in the earth’s crust Correct boron quantity in the earth’s crust Correct cadmium quantity in the earth’s crust Correct calcium quantity in the earth’s crust Correct flourine quantity in the earth’s crust Correct iodine quantity in the earth’s crust Correct magnesium quantity in the earth’s crust Correct nickel quantity in crust Correct phosphorus quantity in crust Correct potassium quantity in crust Correct tin quantity in crust Correct zinc quantity in crust Correct molybdenum quantity in crust Correct vanadium quantity in crust Correct chromium quantity in crust Correct selenium quantity in crust Correct iron quantity in oceans Correct tropospheric ozone quantity Correct stratospheric ozone quantity Correct mesospheric ozone quantity Correct water vapor level in atmosphere Correct oxygen to nitrogen ratio in atmosphere Correct quantity of greenhouse gases in atmosphere Correct quantity of greenhouse gases in atmosphere Correct rate of change in greenhouse gases in atmosphere Correct poleward heat transport in atmosphere by mid-latitude storms Correct quantity of forest & grass fires Correct quantity of sea salt aerosols in troposphere Correct soil mineralization Correct quantity of anaeorbic bacteria in the oceans Correct quantity of aerobic bacteria in the oceans Correct quantity of anaerobic nitrogen-fixing bacteria in the early oceans Correct quantity, variety, and timing of sulfate-reducing bacteria Correct quantity of geobacteraceae Correct quantity of aerobic photoheterotrophic bacteria Correct quantity of decomposer bacteria in soil Correct quantity of mycorrhizal fungi in soil Correct quantity of nitrifying microbes in soil Correct quantity & timing of vascular plant introductions Correct quantity, timing, & placement of carbonate-producing animals Correct quantity, timing, & placement of methanogens Correct phosphorus and iron absorption by banded iron formations Correct quantity of soil sulfur Correct ratio of electrically conducting inner core radius to radius of the adjacent turbulent fluid shell Correct ratio of core to shell (see above) magnetic diffusivity Correct magnetic Reynold’s number of the shell (see above) Correct elasticity of iron in the inner core Correct electromagnetic Maxwell shear stresses in the inner core Correct core precession frequency for planet Correct rate of interior heat loss for planet Correct quantity of sulfur in the planet’s core Correct quantity of silicon in the planet’s core Correct quantity of water at subduction zones in the crust Correct quantity of high pressure ice in subducting crustal slabs Correct hydration rate of subducted minerals Correct water absorption capacity of planet’s lower mantle Correct tectonic activity Correct rate of decline in tectonic activity Correct volcanic activity Correct rate of decline in volcanic activity Correct location of volcanic eruptions Correct continental relief Correct viscosity at Earth core boundaries Correct viscosity of lithosphere Correct thickness of mid-mantle boundary Correct rate of sedimentary loading at crustal subduction zones Correct biomass to comet infall ratio Correct regularity of cometary infall Correct number, intensity, and location of hurricanes Correct intensity of primordial cosmic superwinds Correct number of smoking quasars Correct formation of large terrestrial planet in the presence of two or more gas giant planets Correct orbital stability of large terrestrial planet in the presence of two or more gas giant planets Correct total mass of Oort Cloud objects Correct mass distribution of Oort Cloud objects Correct air turbulence in troposphere Correct quantity of sulfate aerosols in troposphere Correct quantity of actinide bioreducing bacteria Correct quantity of phytoplankton Correct hydrothermal alteration of ancient oceanic basalts Correct quantity of iodocarbon-emitting marine organisms Correct location of dislocation creep relative to diffusion creep in and near the crust-mantle boundary (determines mantle convection dynamics) Correct size of oxygen sinks in the planet’s crust Correct size of oxygen sinks in the planet’s mantle Correct mantle plume production Correct average rainfall precipitation Correct variation and timing of average rainfall precipitation Correct atmospheric transparency Correct atmospheric pressure Correct atmospheric viscosity Correct atmospheric electric discharge rate Correct atmospheric temperature gradient Correct carbon dioxide level in atmosphere Correct rates of change in carbon dioxide levels in atmosphere throughout the planet’s history Correct rates of change in water vapor levels in atmosphere throughout the planet’s history Correct rate of change in methane level in early atmosphere Correct Q-value (rigidity) of planet during its early history Correct variation in Q-value of planet during its early history Correct migration of planet during its formation in the protoplanetary disk Correct viscosity gradient in protoplanetary disk Correct frequency of late impacts by large asteroids and comets Correct size of the carbon sink in the deep mantle of the planet Correct ratio of dual water molecules, (H2O)2, to single water molecules, H 2O, in the troposphere Correct quantity of volatiles on and in Earth-sized planet in the habitable zone Correct triggering of El Nino events by explosive volcanic eruptions Correct time window between the peak of kerogen production and the appearance of intelligent life Correct time window between the production of cisterns in the planet’s crust that can effectively collect and store petroleum and natural gas and the appearance of intelligent life Correct efficiency of flows of silicate melt, hypersaline hydrothermal fluids, and hydrothermal vapors in the upper crust Correct efficiency of ocean pumps that return nutrients to ocean surfaces Correct sulfur and sulfate content of oceans Correct orientation of continents relative to prevailing winds Correct infall of buckminsterfullerenes from interplanetary and interstellar space upon surface of planet Correct quantity of silicic acid in the oceans Correct heat flow through the planet’s mantle from radiometric decay in planet’s core Correct water absorption by planet’s mantle
http://pleaseconvinceme.com/2012/evidence-for-god-from-probability/
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Free.Your.Mind, that was a good laugh (your source in particular). Thank you for that. It's cute how you think evolution isn't real. It really is.
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So what you are saying is that you need a solar system identical to ours to have life thriving.
Simply genius. Has it ever occurred you that life might use liquid ammonia instead of water and silicon instead of carbon as a chemical backbone. Or arsenic instead of phosphorus in the DNA backbone or no DNA at all. Or that the host planet could be slightly larger or smaller than Earth or have a slightly different concentration of zinc in the crust. Your way of thinking is simply astonishing.
Also please provide calculations for the trillion trillion thing.
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: Gumby]
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Gumby said: Free.Your.Mind, that was a good laugh (your source in particular). Thank you for that. It's cute how you think evolution isn't real. It really is.
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mellowparty said: Simply genius. Has it ever occurred you that life might use liquid ammonia instead of water and silicon instead of carbon as a chemical backbone. Or arsenic instead of phosphorus in the DNA backbone or no DNA at all. Or that the host planet could be slightly larger or smaller than Earth or have a slightly different concentration of zinc in the crust.
on what basis do you make this clam?
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mellowparty said: Also please provide calculations for the trillion trillion thing.
OK, each requirement on this partial list of universal constants is highly unlikely to occur at random or by chance. In fact, we could assign odds to each requirement in the same way that we assigned odds to the correct location of Earth relative to the Sun. Scientists and experts have already assigned statistic probabilities for each of these requirements and they range anywhere from 1 in 10 (1/101) to 1 in 1000 (1/103). But let’s be very generous here. Let’s say that each and every one of these terrestrial, solar system and galactic requirement has a 1 in 10 (1/101) chance of happening naturally; let’s assign this 1 in 10 (1/101) probability to each and every one of these 322 requirements, even though scientists say that the odds are much greater.
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akira_akuma said: none of the above. he was just a person.
how could someone have such a impact on history if was just a mere person?
A lot of single person influenced a lot humans' history. Btw none of the above. I think he's been just one of the first persons to understand life's value while being able to explain to others without looking stupid. Or maybe astrological simbolism, I dont understand really well what do you mean with it.
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He was just some guy. A prophet. Not the son of god
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perfect condition for life = intelligent design
There is no numerical value that can express the level of fail in this statement.
"there is less than 1 chance in 1 million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion exists that even one planet like earth could ever exist and support life as earth supports it if the only mechanisms available are natural mechanisms. Now remember how statisticians define what is known as “statistical zero”:
Requirements Related to Planet Earth Correct planetary distance from star Correct inclination of planetary orbit Correct axis tilt of planet Correct rate of change of axial tilt Correct period and size of axis tilt variation Correct planetary rotation period Correct rate of change in planetary rotation period Correct planetary revolution period Correct planetary orbit eccentricity Correct rate of change of planetary orbital eccentricity Correct rate of change of planetary inclination Correct period and size of eccentricity variation Correct period and size of inclination variation Correct precession in planet’s rotation Correct rate of change in planet’s precession Correct number of moons Correct mass and distance of moon Correct surface gravity (escape velocity) Correct tidal force from sun and moon Correct magnetic field Correct rate of change & character of change in magnetic field Correct albedo (planet reflectivity) Correct density density of interstellar and interplanetary dust particles in vicinity of life-support planet Correct reducing strength of planet’s primordial mantle Correct thickness of crust Correct timing of birth of continent formation Correct oceans-to-continents ratio Correct rate of change in oceans to continents ratio Correct global distribution of continents Correct frequency, timing, & extent of ice ages Correct frequency, timing, & extent of global snowball events Correct silicate dust annealing by nebular shocks Correct asteroidal & cometary collision rate Correct change in asteroidal & cometary collision rates Correct rate of change in asteroidal & cometary collision rates Correct mass of body colliding with primordial Earth Correct timing of body colliding with primordial Earth Correct location of body’s collision with primordial Earth Correct position & mass of Jupiter relative to Earth Correct major planet eccentricities Correct major planet orbital instabilities Correct drift and rate of drift in major planet distances Correct number & distribution of planets Correct distance of gas giant planets from mean motion resonances Correct orbital separation distances among inner planets Correct oxygen quantity in the atmosphere Correct nitrogen quantity in the atmosphere Correct carbon monoxide quantity in the atmosphere Correct chlorine quantity in the atmosphere Correct aerosol particle density emitted from the forests Correct cobalt quantity in the earth’s crust Correct arsenic quantity in the earth’s crust Correct copper quantity in the earth’s crust Correct boron quantity in the earth’s crust Correct cadmium quantity in the earth’s crust Correct calcium quantity in the earth’s crust Correct flourine quantity in the earth’s crust Correct iodine quantity in the earth’s crust Correct magnesium quantity in the earth’s crust Correct nickel quantity in crust Correct phosphorus quantity in crust Correct potassium quantity in crust Correct tin quantity in crust Correct zinc quantity in crust Correct molybdenum quantity in crust Correct vanadium quantity in crust Correct chromium quantity in crust Correct selenium quantity in crust Correct iron quantity in oceans Correct tropospheric ozone quantity Correct stratospheric ozone quantity Correct mesospheric ozone quantity Correct water vapor level in atmosphere Correct oxygen to nitrogen ratio in atmosphere Correct quantity of greenhouse gases in atmosphere Correct quantity of greenhouse gases in atmosphere Correct rate of change in greenhouse gases in atmosphere Correct poleward heat transport in atmosphere by mid-latitude storms Correct quantity of forest & grass fires Correct quantity of sea salt aerosols in troposphere Correct soil mineralization Correct quantity of anaeorbic bacteria in the oceans Correct quantity of aerobic bacteria in the oceans Correct quantity of anaerobic nitrogen-fixing bacteria in the early oceans Correct quantity, variety, and timing of sulfate-reducing bacteria Correct quantity of geobacteraceae Correct quantity of aerobic photoheterotrophic bacteria Correct quantity of decomposer bacteria in soil Correct quantity of mycorrhizal fungi in soil Correct quantity of nitrifying microbes in soil Correct quantity & timing of vascular plant introductions Correct quantity, timing, & placement of carbonate-producing animals Correct quantity, timing, & placement of methanogens Correct phosphorus and iron absorption by banded iron formations Correct quantity of soil sulfur Correct ratio of electrically conducting inner core radius to radius of the adjacent turbulent fluid shell Correct ratio of core to shell (see above) magnetic diffusivity Correct magnetic Reynold’s number of the shell (see above) Correct elasticity of iron in the inner core Correct electromagnetic Maxwell shear stresses in the inner core Correct core precession frequency for planet Correct rate of interior heat loss for planet Correct quantity of sulfur in the planet’s core Correct quantity of silicon in the planet’s core Correct quantity of water at subduction zones in the crust Correct quantity of high pressure ice in subducting crustal slabs Correct hydration rate of subducted minerals Correct water absorption capacity of planet’s lower mantle Correct tectonic activity Correct rate of decline in tectonic activity Correct volcanic activity Correct rate of decline in volcanic activity Correct location of volcanic eruptions Correct continental relief Correct viscosity at Earth core boundaries Correct viscosity of lithosphere Correct thickness of mid-mantle boundary Correct rate of sedimentary loading at crustal subduction zones Correct biomass to comet infall ratio Correct regularity of cometary infall Correct number, intensity, and location of hurricanes Correct intensity of primordial cosmic superwinds Correct number of smoking quasars Correct formation of large terrestrial planet in the presence of two or more gas giant planets Correct orbital stability of large terrestrial planet in the presence of two or more gas giant planets Correct total mass of Oort Cloud objects Correct mass distribution of Oort Cloud objects Correct air turbulence in troposphere Correct quantity of sulfate aerosols in troposphere Correct quantity of actinide bioreducing bacteria Correct quantity of phytoplankton Correct hydrothermal alteration of ancient oceanic basalts Correct quantity of iodocarbon-emitting marine organisms Correct location of dislocation creep relative to diffusion creep in and near the crust-mantle boundary (determines mantle convection dynamics) Correct size of oxygen sinks in the planet’s crust Correct size of oxygen sinks in the planet’s mantle Correct mantle plume production Correct average rainfall precipitation Correct variation and timing of average rainfall precipitation Correct atmospheric transparency Correct atmospheric pressure Correct atmospheric viscosity Correct atmospheric electric discharge rate Correct atmospheric temperature gradient Correct carbon dioxide level in atmosphere Correct rates of change in carbon dioxide levels in atmosphere throughout the planet’s history Correct rates of change in water vapor levels in atmosphere throughout the planet’s history Correct rate of change in methane level in early atmosphere Correct Q-value (rigidity) of planet during its early history Correct variation in Q-value of planet during its early history Correct migration of planet during its formation in the protoplanetary disk Correct viscosity gradient in protoplanetary disk Correct frequency of late impacts by large asteroids and comets Correct size of the carbon sink in the deep mantle of the planet Correct ratio of dual water molecules, (H2O)2, to single water molecules, H 2O, in the troposphere Correct quantity of volatiles on and in Earth-sized planet in the habitable zone Correct triggering of El Nino events by explosive volcanic eruptions Correct time window between the peak of kerogen production and the appearance of intelligent life Correct time window 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http://pleaseconvinceme.com/2012/evidence-for-god-from-probability/
http://experimentalmath.info/blog/2009/08/misuse-of-probability-by-creation-scientists-and-others/
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More importantly, this and almost all similar probability-based arguments against evolution suffer from the fallacy of presuming that biological structures such as alpha globin arise by a single all-or-nothing random trial. Instead, available evidence suggests that alpha globin and other proteins arose as the end product of a long sequence of intermediate steps, each of which was biologically useful in an earlier context. Probability calculations such as the above, which do not take into account the process by which the structure came to be, are not meaningful and can easily mislead [Musgrave].
Along this line, consider snowflakes. Bentley and Humphrey’s book Snow Crystals [Bentley] includes over 2000 high-resolution black-and-white photos of real snowflakes, each with intricate yet highly regular patterns (a few of the Bentley-Humphrey photos are posted at Online article). The chances that one particular structure, with striking near-perfect 6-way symmetry, can form “at random” can be calculated as roughly one part in 10^(2500). Does this astoundingly small probability figure constitute proof that individual snowflakes have been intelligently designed? Obviously not. The fallacy, once again, is presuming a sudden, all-at-once random formation. Instead, snowflakes, like biological organisms, are formed as the product of a series of steps, acting under natural laws with some element of chance.
There was a really good youtube video debunking this one (your argument) and your post reminded me of it and now I can't find it and its bothering me enough that I've searched for it for like an hour.
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If the universe is infinite then it becomes a statistical certainty that the conditions for life exist here and elsewhere. Even if it isn't infinite, but just as large as we've currently observed, the chances of there being a multitude of different life supporting habitats are very good.
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Exactly. Cf. Simon 1962 'The Architecture of Complexity'.
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Free.Your.Mind said: OK, each requirement on this partial list of universal constants is highly unlikely to occur at random or by chance.
You still haven't gone into mellowparty's valid response to your tunnel-vision arguments:
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For all we know, there might be life inside gas giants - but based on totally different building blocks than terrestrial life. In addition, we're also starting to find planets (dozens of them, so far) that seem really similar to earth in terms of the pre-conditions for earth-like life. If it's intelligent design, it's definitely a design effort with risk management through sheer numbers: don't try it once, but try it a million times and see what happens.
Still, the intelligent design concepts remains an implausible deus ex machina conjured up by people unwilling or incapable of accepting how practically infinite degrees of freedom over billions of years can result in really weird patterns - such as life.
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akira_akuma said: none of the above. he was just a person.
how could someone have such a impact on history if was just a mere person?
That was a really dumb question. 1000s of names are remembered from even before jeusus. Anyways Jesus is a communist
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That is true. Thus why I voted "astrological symbolism"
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You could also vote "1/2 man 1/2 alien" because, as far s im concerned, we ALL have 1 foot in the sludge and 1 foot in the "hyper-web of interconnectedness beauty" which equals out to 1/2 man 1/2 alien
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on what basis do you make this clam?
Because its theoretically possible and if you did some proper reading you'd be amazed of how resilient and adaptive life is. For example there are organisms on earth that can substitute phosphorus for arsenic in their DNA if they have insufficient phosphorus in their environment. Also there is a body of evidence suggesting that life is constantly bombarding earth from outer space but I would refrain from making definitive statements about that. Scientists constantly discover Earth-like planets but yeah they're not Earth clones.
What I don't understand is why do you assume that life needs conditions identical to those found on earth?
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Black hippie terrorist jew who didn't exist in objective reality. Copy of deities before him, used as a tool to assist with assimilation into Roman life.
If intelligent design were real, there would be an intelligent theory behind it, and it would resonate with intelligent people.
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Black? You'd call middle eastern people black? Also, it's pretty likely that Jesus existed. Him and a host of other prophets. They popped up all over the place.
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I don't quite get the latter statement; you mean the execution of Jesus and early Christians was used as a deterrent to others so that they would more easily integrate into Roman life?
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Black? You'd call middle eastern people black? Also, it's pretty likely that Jesus existed. Him and a host of other prophets. They popped up all over the place.
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Copy of deities before him, used as a tool to assist with assimilation into Roman life.
I don't quite get the latter statement; you mean the execution of Jesus and early Christians was used as a deterrent to others so that they would more easily integrate into Roman life?
No I mean the entire story and the historical figure of Jesus are fabrications, a romanization of existing jewish lore to help integrate the restless jewish people into roman life. I do not ascribe to the idea that Jesus was a real person, mainly because there is no evidence that he or any of the twelve disciples existed, or that any of them wrote anything about him. I think at most he was an amalgamation of a number of anti-roman jewish political activists, rosily and romanly reflected upon a hundred years later by Paul.
The black thing was a joke, so was the terrorist thing and the hippie thing. Together they make up everything the average Bible thumping redneck can't stand.
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There's no historical record of amy messiah named jesus.
he was made up by the romans to pacify/separate the jews, and later used by constantine to unite all the pagan peoples under a common flag.
"then how is he so popular?!" same reason santa claus or vishnu are popular.
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Amazing, there have been a few Jesus threads popping up lately. You guys know historians accept his existence as fact right?
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: g00ru]
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Here we go...
Can we all atleast agree that WE DONT KNOW if jesus, the man, ever existed.
That doesn't mean we cant integrate his lifestyle into ours and study his teachings and how the 'christs consciousness' molds onto the planet.
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Jusus was not a person, there is no historical records of him, despite a half a dozen historians living only miles away during his supposed time period. In fact there are historical sources saying the very opposite, that he did not in fact exist as a physical person at any point in time.
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That's what I believe. If you look back at the timeline it just doesn't add up. Jesus was not mentioned for years after his whole story than all of a sudden he took over. Makes no sense whatsoever.
That said, I wont say anything for sure. Anything is possible.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_of_nazareth#Existence
However, today virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed and regard events such as his baptism and his crucifixion as historical.[7][222][223] Robert E. Van Voorst and (separately) Michael Grant state that biblical scholars and classical historians now regard theories of the non-existence of Jesus as effectively refuted.[16][17]
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I think that has more to do with the Bible-centric view of history that has been ingrained in western culture for centuries, not any evidence that he was a real person.
The only non-Christian sources that mention Jesus are Tacitus, who doesn't really call anyone Jesus but just refers to 12 different jews by the title Christos, and Josephus, whose writings on Jesus some suspect to be a forgery. Josephus also got Pontius Pilate's title wrong, which implies that he is relying on corrupted word of mouth, and he also wrote that Hercules was a living, breathing man among other demigods, so why would I take his word on Jesus?
Every other mention of Jesus was written long after his supposed death, which was an allegory common among the mythologies of the times.
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You are aware that Christians were actively and violently prosecuted until the 4th century, right? How does that relate to making Jews fit in with the Romans?
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The Ecstatic said: There's no historical record of amy messiah named jesus.
There are many historical records that demonstrate the emergence of dozens of messiahs and Jesus was a popular name in the region at that time. I think it's very likely that there was at least one messiah called Jesus. But I also agree with RiderOnTheStorm that Jesus as we 'know' him today is partly an amalgamation of some of these messiahs and partly lore (or inaccuracy) that was attached to any original records due to imperfect record-keeping over time.
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Like it says in that article, there's about as much evidence of Jesus as there is of anybody from that time period...the Bible is definitely evidence, it is a history after all. Just like we take history from Plato or Herodotus, we take history from the Bible.
Why would we believe any of these people? Because we read their stories and meticulously see how those timelines lead up to the present moment, and it makes sense. I mean look at us talking about Jesus right this second. It's too powerful a phenomenon to be a fiction...The Roman Empire was effected by Christianity and not the other way around...the fracturing of the empire is clear evidence of that.
Look at someone like Gandhi whose life sent shockwaves through the 20th century and still to this day. Jesus was like that except it's been going on for 2000 years.
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as portrayed in the bible it seems jesus was a socialist hippie.
Mark 12:41-44
New International Version (NIV) The Widow’s Offering
41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.
43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”
The way I view jesus personally, is that he symbolizes the world's largest group of myopic simpletons who are so fucking vapid they can actually believe in lies as blatant as egg laying bunnies in order to assure their untestable delusion of an afterlife. Jesus has been contorted to fit the ideologies and crass displays of willful ignorance to such an extent that if all the believers had to pick him out of a crowd, they would probably glean ted nuggent, or frank zappa. Jesus, to me, is the face of fear for those who do not understand science, or are too proud to re-evaluate what their parents told them growing up.
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That said, I wont say anything for sure. Anything is possible.
Anything is not possible. If the son of God walked the earth for thirty years I think the super civilization next door with the immaculate records and libraries of historical documents, he'd be mentioned at least once.
Sure, the Bible has some good messages. There's also verses about god sending bears to kill children for simply laughing.
If you want to live your life as a good person, just be a good person. Don't use some fictional character to worship like a weird comic book fanatic.
I think the world would have figured out that killing and stealing is wrong without the gospel...
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I'm not even convinced Jesus even existed. Other than the Bible what evidence is there?
There might have been a dude named Yeshua that lived then. Probably was. But that's it.
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yeah, that's a clever one...
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i wanted to click all of the above
jesus is a collaboration of everything that was and everything that will be
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koraks said: You are aware that Christians were actively and violently prosecuted until the 4th century, right? How does that relate to making Jews fit in with the Romans?
Yes I am, I think Paul was the one trying to merge judaism with roman paganism, not Roman officials. Looking back I wasn't very clear about that. In the late second century Justin Martyr wrote about the disturbing parallels between Christianity and roman paganism, specifically Mythraism iirc. He decided that the devil must have gone back in time and written the pagan stories of the Christ figure long in advance as a way to mislead potential believers.
The persecution of Christians mostly took place on a local level to keep the peace, the Roman state was not directly or openly opposed to it except under Nero. There is also evidence that many of the Christians who were fed to lions and such actually volunteered as a means to achieve their martyr's crown, in some misguided attempt similar to modern Jihadists.
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Bill_Oreilly said: That's what I believe. If you look back at the timeline it just doesn't add up. Jesus was not mentioned for years after his whole story than all of a sudden he took over. Makes no sense whatsoever.
That said, I wont say anything for sure. Anything is possible.
Anything is not possible. If the son of God walked the earth for thirty years I think the super civilization next door with the immaculate records and libraries of historical documents, he'd be mentioned at least once.
Sure, the Bible has some good messages. There's also verses about god sending bears to kill children for simply laughing.
If you want to live your life as a good person, just be a good person. Don't use some fictional character to worship like a weird comic book fanatic.
I think the world would have figured out that killing and stealing is wrong without the gospel...
Well I would bet statistics say that a child raised In religion is a lot more likely to be a 'good' person than a child raised an atheist.
And maybe anything isn't possible, but if science believes that everything was created by a couple of rocks smashing against eachother then I can believe a long-haired hippy that knew some shit existed 2,000 years ago.
And nobody was talking about whether the bible has good messages and nobody was talking about bears. This reminds me of the 'flying spaghetti monster' atheists bring up for no reason. Now youre bringing up bears.
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I was just researching why they changed the sabbath day from sat to sun....There is too much info out there at least right off the bat. It was a half assed search during football commercials...
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And maybe anything isn't possible, but if science believes that everything was created by a couple of rocks smashing against eachother then I can believe a long-haired hippy that knew some shit existed 2,000 years ago.
And nobody was talking about whether the bible has good messages and nobody was talking about bears. This reminds me of the 'flying spaghetti monster' atheists bring up for no reason. Now youre bringing up bears.
The first statement is utterly worthless conjecture without the definition of 'good' spelled out. I would take your bet under any reasonable definition, but ofc I won't expect one.
The second statement does a really good job punctuating the lack of understanding of science or even general education among believers. Science says nothing of the sort.
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Bill_Oreilly said: That's what I believe. If you look back at the timeline it just doesn't add up. Jesus was not mentioned for years after his whole story than all of a sudden he took over. Makes no sense whatsoever.
That said, I wont say anything for sure. Anything is possible.
Anything is not possible. If the son of God walked the earth for thirty years I think the super civilization next door with the immaculate records and libraries of historical documents, he'd be mentioned at least once.
Sure, the Bible has some good messages. There's also verses about god sending bears to kill children for simply laughing.
If you want to live your life as a good person, just be a good person. Don't use some fictional character to worship like a weird comic book fanatic.
I think the world would have figured out that killing and stealing is wrong without the gospel...
Well I would bet statistics say that a child raised In religion is a lot more likely to be a 'good' person than a child raised an atheist.
Odd, I would bet the opposite.
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who can say? it's obvious that people do bad things in religion's name...i don't think it matters if you're religious or not but I do know that Jesus helps you be a good person...
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Actually you CAN say. Atheists are in jail significantly less often.
https://www.google.com/search?q=atheist+jail+population&oq=atheist+jail&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l5.5654j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
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Actually you CAN say. Atheists are in jail significantly less often.
https://www.google.com/search?q=atheist+jail+population&oq=atheist+jail&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l5.5654j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
actually being in jail doesn't make you a bad person, as if you can freaking find the value in people through statistics...peeshaw!
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This pretty much sums up my view of Jesus: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2451087/American-Bible-scholar-claims-ancient-confessions-prove-story-Jesus-Christ-entirely-fabricated-Roman-aristocrats.html
His story was totally fabricated from a series of other stories that actually occurred. That way there would be real accounts of "his" experiences, even though they were the experiences of other people.
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Watch the link in my sig. Thats how I look at it.
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g00ru said: who can say? it's obvious that people do bad things in religion's name...i don't think it matters if you're religious or not but I do know that Jesus helps you be a good person...
Actually you CAN say. Atheists are in jail significantly less often.
https://www.google.com/search?q=atheist+jail+population&oq=atheist+jail&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l5.5654j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
a lot of people convert while in jail
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Bill_Oreilly said: That's what I believe. If you look back at the timeline it just doesn't add up. Jesus was not mentioned for years after his whole story than all of a sudden he took over. Makes no sense whatsoever.
That said, I wont say anything for sure. Anything is possible.
Anything is not possible. If the son of God walked the earth for thirty years I think the super civilization next door with the immaculate records and libraries of historical documents, he'd be mentioned at least once.
Sure, the Bible has some good messages. There's also verses about god sending bears to kill children for simply laughing.
If you want to live your life as a good person, just be a good person. Don't use some fictional character to worship like a weird comic book fanatic.
I think the world would have figured out that killing and stealing is wrong without the gospel...
Well I would bet statistics say that a child raised In religion is a lot more likely to be a 'good' person than a child raised an atheist.
And maybe anything isn't possible, but if science believes that everything was created by a couple of rocks smashing against eachother then I can believe a long-haired hippy that knew some shit existed 2,000 years ago.
And nobody was talking about whether the bible has good messages and nobody was talking about bears. This reminds me of the 'flying spaghetti monster' atheists bring up for no reason. Now youre bringing up bears.
Statistics eh?
What if I told you Christians make up about 80% of the prison population and atheists about 1%.
Looks like the Christian parents aren't doing so well. They also tend to have the highest rate of children born out of wedlock.
Hmmm.....
and statistically, atheists have higher IQs and more years of education.
So please, tell me again how society would crumble if not for the Bible...I guess the humans who lived for 10s of thousands of years before the Biblr was written were all a bunch of heathen scum, with no morals whatsoever.
Newsflash bro: Christianity was extremely late to the game, and just copied all the other players to get popular.
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Jesus Christ is our savior!
Get with it.
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that's basically true...transfiguration of christ was the moment of that occurring fully
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morrowasted said: jesus is the personification of a specific piece of memetic evolution
that's basically true...transfiguration of christ was the moment of that occurring fully
i don't see why this question is so complicated for most people
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probably cause there is a lot to think about when it comes to Jesus.
everybody read VALIS
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Re: Your View about JESUS [Re: g00ru]
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I guess I've just had too much time to think about it
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jesus is a cunt.
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you know who else were cunts? the Celts.
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Niffla said: Idk I thought Jesus was a pretty sub par football player. His tackling form was atrocious.

dude wore a long dress, you cant run in that shit
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The Ecstatic said: Statistics eh?
What if I told you Christians make up about 80% of the prison population and atheists about 1%.
Awhat if I told you that the majority of christians in jail are christians because they think it looks better to the parole board, most are also ordained ministers
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What if I told you Christians make up about 80% of the prison population and atheists about 1%.
Awhat if I told you that the majority of christians in jail are christians because they think it looks better to the parole board, most are also ordained ministers
for once I am gonna have to echo pris on this one guys
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The Ecstatic said: If the son of God walked the earth for thirty years I think the super civilization next door with the immaculate records and libraries of historical documents, he'd be mentioned at least once.
which super-civilization? the romans, he was mentioned by the romans, maybe the egyptians, the moors destroyed the libraries of egypt... there's nothing immaculate about ancient records, few have survived
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Sure, the Bible has some good messages. There's also verses about god sending bears to kill children for simply laughing.
good distortion of the texts, they were ridiculing a prophet of god, not simply laughing... understand why I see atheists as being just as bad as christians, both are 'holier than thou' style religious beliefs
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^^ what he said(especially about how most that go to jail turns to religion)
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I find it hard to believe such a momentus hisorical event could be storied so many times throughout the ages. The only logical, one without god in the equation, is someone knew/knows/passed down information in regard to the balance of power. Maybe we destoryed our master race and that story is a sigil to our bond with eachother, our need to love and be loved, elsewise chaos and madness runs deep in society. So really, when you boil it down to a nice tar and get your freak on, the only logical conclusion is, obviously, Aliens.
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and you are a troll
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akira wtf...the Celts were pretty badass actually >.>
obviously people failing to appreciate good history when they see it here
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i was just being facetious. the Celts are wicked. so is Jesus. you know, Jesus the Man.
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Not to mention all those other Christian saints who are out and about...
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 Let me tell you something, pendejo. You pull any of your crazy shit with us, you flash a piece out on the lanes, I'll take it away from you, stick it up your ass and pull the fucking trigger 'til it goes "click." --Jesus
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yeah, i don't discriminate. they're all cool. Christians are cool. i just hate those snobby, you're going to hell, types. they can piss off.
and all those religious type things, well, guess what, it all comes from the same damn place, anyways right? they're all influencing eachother in one way or another to refine and incorporate "their religion" or what i just call spirituality, into their lives.
so i don't see it ever as one thing over the other. naw, it's all in balance, dude. 
PS: Jesus the gay man with a lisp. that's kinda the best Jesus, still. not in anyway that's "better" per se, it's just... we actually need a gay Jesus with a lisp in this world.
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The Ecstatic said: If the son of God walked the earth for thirty years I think the super civilization next door with the immaculate records and libraries of historical documents, he'd be mentioned at least once.
which super-civilization? the romans, he was mentioned by the romans, maybe the egyptians, the moors destroyed the libraries of egypt... there's nothing immaculate about ancient records, few have survived
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good distortion of the texts, they were ridiculing a prophet of god, not simply laughing... understand why I see atheists as being just as bad as christians, both are 'holier than thou' style religious beliefs
How the hell is that any less bad. "Some children mocked my prophet so I'll send bears to kill them."
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because those kids were little shits. they need to be bitch slapped, and that's how God bitch slaps. by sending Bears to fuck you.
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Hes "akuming"
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really though, everyone around here grew up in a secular fashion and now theyre all dumb as hell, cant think, drug addicts..etc. The ones that grew up with religious parents seems to be the ones with the good jobs, the money, brains..etc
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oh yeah, not really in all cases, but a majority of people who are indoctrinated seem to lead relatively successful lives. but it really depends on waht you define as a "successful life".
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I feel that
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who cares what your creed is, as long as you do good with it? if you raise successful, independent children, you win in life.
but there is many ways to "win". just depends how you look at it. plus, some people might raise a family and be wealthy even, and still have no soul, no spark... until they hit a bong, or something usually that ridiculous sounding... like jumping out of a plane or climbing a high peak.
it's just something different for everybody.
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 I think homeboy was a mushroom, or a story that came about from dudes on mushrooms....or maybe a star...I don't know much at all in regards to religious stuff, but it all seems like allegory to me. Some seem to take these old stories very literally though. John 14:6 "....No one comes to the Father except through me"    -OM .
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I know he's real
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the perfect being inhabit in a human is through doing Mushrooms, and/or becoming everything and nothing.
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I think homeboy was a mushroom, or a story that came about from dudes on mushrooms....or maybe a star...I don't know much at all in regards to religious stuff, but it all seems like allegory to me. Some seem to take these old stories very literally though.
John 14:6 "....No one comes to the Father except through me"



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One of my favorite verses.
I believe Jesus represented the star. This is how hes so 'astrological' in history. Now was he a real man? Quite possible. I see myself as a "star" like I see jesus, and I exist, so why couldn't jesus? Even if the dude didn't do miracles he still had some immense first-hand knowledge.
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