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DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close
    #18970514 - 10/12/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Am I the only person out there who doesn't have anything visual happen when they smoke DMT or 20X salvia?  I certainly feel something, but it is not visual in any sense of the way others report.  I'm particularly amazed that DMT doesn't do anything to me after taking lung full after lung full.  I was expecting something like the lucid dreams of my youth, but there was nothing.  I don't have very visual dreams anymore either.  Does anyone else have troubles getting anything from DMT and salvia?  Is there something else I need to combine with them to make them "work" like everyone raves about?


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: Blue Helix]
    #18970519 - 10/12/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How long are you holding your hits in for? You want to hold them in as long as possible!


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #18970544 - 10/12/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

with deems its vital to vape not smoke unless your using E.L, which should still not be torched more than necessary.

also holding it to a 20 count exhale, breathe, exhale, toke, repeat until unable.

salvia sucks, be glad and move on from it, the more intense it is the more it sucks.


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #18970547 - 10/12/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It seems that the first breath of DMT usually makes me cough, so then I can't hold it in.  The second one I can hold better.  I also feel it in the back of my throat pretty bad, so I wonder if it's not getting in my lungs right.  I wonder if I should try some asthma inhaler beforehand to make sure my lungs are fully open. 

The funny thing is that I'm pretty sensitive to psychedelics even though I've done many different types for a long time.  I mean I'm still happy with 100ug of acid and over 180 is too much.  And for shrooms I'm plenty happy with .6g of pan cyans!  So it's not that I'm not sensitive to most stuff.


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: Blue Helix]
    #18970555 - 10/12/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You should Smoke DMT and salvia, AT THE SAME TIME :mindblown:


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: bishlap]
    #18970559 - 10/12/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I am using a vaporize bulb thing for the DMT.  You just load up on a lot of DMT then and make sure to not smoke it all up too fast?  I mean I wasn't doing it quite like you said.  I was more just breathing in, coughing, and then kind of breathing more in.  Usually after two breaths the stuff is all vaporized because I was leaving the torch on it.  You move the torch off once you breath in then?


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: Blue Helix]
    #18970560 - 10/12/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

" It seems that the first breath of
DMT usually makes me cough,"

your burning it, properly vaped it will taste bad but be surprisingly mellow on the lungs.


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: bishlap]
    #18970566 - 10/12/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Really?  I thought you used a blow torch on the bulb until it's almost molten glass and nothing was too hot!  I might be getting it too hot then.


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: bishlap]
    #18970577 - 10/12/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When you use a lightbulb vape or an oil burner, never hold the flame any closer than 1 inch from the glass. Thats probly why you are burning it


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #18970595 - 10/12/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think I might be totally overdoing the heat then.  I was using a micro blow torch right on the bulb and waiting until it was wicked hot and the glass was almost glowing.  I'm going to try a lot less heat.


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: Blue Helix]
    #18970598 - 10/12/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

your burning the hell out of it!

oil burners are terrible for deems imo, maybe if you had a thick glass deems pipe it would work but a ligtbulb will get too hot too fast almost every time.

get a bong layer it small tiny pinch of herb\grey ash\deems\grey ash

very gently stroke the bowl with the flame while drawing as slow as possible, one propper hit can blast you off, once you hear the ringing in your ears your almost there, hit it again if your able at that point.


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: bishlap]
    #18970644 - 10/13/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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once you hear the ringing in your ears your almost there




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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: Agentchewy]
    #18970709 - 10/13/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I read lightbulb vapes don't work with DMT.


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: acapuchinu]
    #18970752 - 10/13/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yea me to never had a break through on saliva 50x. smoked it in a pipe with a lighter that torched it really good and all i got was this rush feeling like needles where allover my skin. never had anything had that was trip report worthy


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: Megatrondon]
    #18970807 - 10/13/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I tried it again many times.  Basically, it works great with my girlfriend, but it just doesn't work for me like her. She breathed it in and instantly saw some fractal being dancing around her.  I mean with a single breath.  As for me, I definitely feel heavy and almost lose my sense of where my body is in space with several breaths.  But I just don't see anything other than some mild patterns and very dark closed eye visuals.  I've actually had more significant closed eye visuals from Ambien.  I once even injected intramuscularly DMT and it still didn't work.  I guess my brain doesn't work that way for whatever reason.

What I hoped to see or interact with was the magnificent beings others seems to always get.  It makes me feel dysfunctional when I can't see the same.


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: acapuchinu]
    #18970815 - 10/13/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Light bulb vapores don't work. Then what are you supposed to do?  The stuff seems to work plenty well for my girlfriend.  And I feel something for sure.  I just don't get the visuals.


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: Blue Helix]
    #18970845 - 10/13/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Have you ever been hooked on anything in the past? Heavy user? Sometimes ex-addicts of other substances have a hard time getting off on other things. :shrug:

Come smoke some of my potent Salvia extract...the 30x will have you in another dimension. Unless you are a unbelievable hard-head.

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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: FrenchMachine]
    #18970864 - 10/13/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No.  i am not an ex-addict.  The closest I've been addicted to anything is Kratom, which I do take once daily and would consider myself addicted in some sense.

Salvia 20X does something, but it isn't a visual something as in I see something with my visual cortex.  It's more, for me at least, like a deep imagination.  Also Salvia is quite a mind fuck, where I wasn't getting that with DMT.  I mean when I do heavy Salvia I think I'm going somewhere and not coming back, which makes me feel anxious.  I also tend to get these ideas like I'm going to be a brick in a wall or a bristle on a broom.  It's really weird, and it isn't real fun to be honest.

When I was young, I had these lucid dreams that were as real as real life where I would leave my body and walk around my house.  I mean there was no difference between the dream and waking reality, and to this day I am amazed that my brain actually created that vision.  It sure didn't seem like that was possible.  It seemed real.  Those were the most amazing hallucinations I've ever had (if you want to call them that), and nothing compares from my hallucinogen experiences. 

Having said that LSD and, particularly, shrooms have given me direct contact with that seems like God.  I've lost all sense of reality on them.  I've been to hell and back many times.  I've gotten messages from what seems like something beyond this dimension.  I've felt in contact with a universal consciousness.  I've seen patterns on normal surfaces that would impress anyone.  And 25-I/25-C NBOME have given me wicked powerful visuals and patterns that even put those I saw on shrooms to shame.  Hell, I couldn't even recognize a good friend's face when I was on the NBOMEs one time at Burning Man! 

But one thing I haven't had with all my experiences are true hallucinations like the DMT is supposed to give.  I've always wanted to see the kind of stuff I had as a kid with the lucid dreams, but I'm not sure that will ever happen.


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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: Agentchewy]
    #18970962 - 10/13/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Blue Helix said:
I've always wanted to see the kind of stuff I had as a kid with the lucid dreams, but I'm not sure that will ever happen.



dude, just learn how to properly vape! or a bong load. we all want ya to experience the kind of stuff you had as a kid with lucid dreams :wink:
just no more blowtorch !
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once you hear the ringing in your ears your almost there







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Re: DMT and Salvia - never had a breakthrough, not even close [Re: Blue Helix]
    #18971022 - 10/13/13 03:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Light bulb vapores don't work. Then what are you supposed to do?  The stuff seems to work plenty well for my girlfriend.  And I feel something for sure.  I just don't get the visuals.




there's a few different methods. look em up. theres one called the DMT machine. there's also the sandwich method, crack pipe method.


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