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TheClearChameleon
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Returning mycology student
#18968422 - 10/12/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Greetings fellow shroomers, Im giving the cultivation another go & decided to post a little post for some advice on a little experiment ive started. ive grown before several times successfully via the brf cakes, but i think im ready to try new methods that can yield more fruits. Currently i have 10 brf jars that are almost fully colonized and ready for a dunkin' and transfer to a fruiting chamber.
  What im really here for is some feedback and opinions on the little experimental tray i made. Im using a small aluminum tray in which i mixed some brf/verm and some wood chips to use as a substrate. I wanna say the ratio is roughly about 75% wood chips and 25% mixture of verm/brf. Now the wood chips are also a mixture of hickory and mesquite. I soaked the chips, drained em, boiled em for about 2 hours, drained again, coated them with the mixture of brf/verm, loosely packed it in the tray and proceeded to about another two hours or steam sterilizing. I made two of these trays exactly the same, one i inoculated with Ecuador and the other with Mexican Dutch. (I noticed the MexDutch was not a good syringe, i inoculated jars before and no signs of growth, my friend who also ordered a syringe from the same supplier ,she got a oyster type of mushroom when we had initially ordered cube strains... My conclusion is not to trust that supplier yourself. Ill try and find out the name so you can avoid that as well.) on the other hand the ecuador tray seems to be doing good. I checked it about two, three days ago and i could see mycelium wanting to grow on the top layer of verm i used as a barrier, plus that refreshing mushroom smell.
Now ive read other post here about people doing the same thing or similar to what i did. I understand cubes arent good on wood and if it did colonize it be a slow process. I dont know when the tray would be fully colonized since i cant see through the aluminum, but i know the time is coming since its been there for about a month now. Now im wondering what would be the best option for this tray, im thinking in between fruiting it as a cake that it kinda is or either to break up the cake/chips and use it as a substrate for a casing? I dont know where to go from here, so im open to suggestions on this little experiment. Thanks for lookin!
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Uncle G
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Dont think I would of flipped them and leave the foil on them. I would of flipped in times past I always had a few contam out and my thoughts are the vacuum from the cake being forced down pulls unwanted air towards the nutrients. Ideally the verm layer catches any contams but there is a lot going on when you smack that cake down like that.
I do leave the foil on loosely just an ole habit. Emphasis I do leave loose so not to hinder Fae. It is just added protection to prevent drifting molds and dust.
I got outside bed of cubes on mostly chips and it is an experiment I most likly not repeat. Might of had 20 or so mushrooms from it. Very few. All extermly large but still the work I put into it.
Edited by Uncle G (10/12/13 02:34 PM)
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You should have removed the foil after sterilization.
Why are they flipped? Did they stall?
Fruit the tray as is.
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TheClearChameleon said: break up the cake/chips and use it as a substrate for a casing?
I don't know what this means.
I think you mean spawn them to bulk, which is what I would do with the cakes.
As for the tray, open it and chack it really quick.
No need to have the ability to see thru foil, just open it and look.
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TheClearChameleon
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: PussyFart]
#18968706 - 10/12/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I flipped them over for the picture to show the cakes that are fully colonized and those with some uncolonized parts, theyve been upright till now. Im thinking of leaving them like that for a day or two. Reason being, i see water droplets building up on the side and bottom. Majority of jars are humid like that in the bottom so i thought of flipping them so the water could run down and let the rest of uncolonized parts of the cake colonize faster with out all the excess moisture? I noticed the mycelium got "heavier& thicker" in these wet spots and would colonize slowly. So im thinking by flipping it over and ,loosening the lid , removing excess moisture from the jars maybe itll help em colonize faster and show that "rope/thready" mycelium it normally shows? I have the foil jus there for extra protection i guess, i jus never bothered to remove it during the inoculation/sterilizing phases i used it for.. And uhh , not officially a myc student, jus learnin...ya know?
Hacker420, yes i think thats what i meant to say. I get the monotubs,bulk,casing,etc bits mixed up but understand the overall concept of em. So youre suggesting the opposite of what i thought, i like it. Spawn the cakes and fruit the experimental tray...
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TheClearChameleon said: i see water droplets building up on the side and bottom. Majority of jars are humid like that in the bottom
That is not humidity, that is condensation.
Completely different and unrelated.
Just leave them as they are, without flipping them back, until at least a full week past full colonization.
Then birth dunk and roll.
And yes, spawn the cakes to a pasteurized bulk substrate material, do not just break them up and add a casing layer.
For that you might as well just fruit them as cakes.
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: PussyFart]
#18968738 - 10/12/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Completely different and unrelated.
I wouldn't say they're unrelated, but they are definitely different.
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18968756 - 10/12/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea, maybe that wasn't the best word I could have chose....
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: PussyFart]
#18968966 - 10/12/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haaa naah its all good, i use some wrong terminology too. You know what i mean and i know what you mean. I peeped out the tray ... 
Seems to be going good im scared of pulling it out though
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I don't like the looks of that tray. Doesn't look like cube myc to me
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: Stromrider]
#18968990 - 10/12/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stromrider said: I don't like the looks of that tray. Doesn't look like cube myc to me
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18968995 - 10/12/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey mush
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: Stromrider]
#18969002 - 10/12/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why hello,
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TheClearChameleon
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18969066 - 10/12/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does it really look bad? thats jus the verm barrier i put on top of the brf/verm/woodchip mix. It smell slike mushrooms and all so im guessing its good? I did throw the mexdutch one away though, it had a funky smell amd no visible signs of myc
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On the left side of the picture, it looks like it could be cube myc, but on the right side it looks like Cobweb, it's grey and has no real orientation.
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18969217 - 10/12/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Might ought to leave them jars alone. Leave the foil on loosly on the trays. They do look fuzzy. Hard to tell from those pics.
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TheClearChameleon
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18969235 - 10/12/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see where youre comin from. And it does look like cobweb, but its not. Im pretty sure, i believe its the lighting i didnt completely unwrap the tray so the foil kinda cast a shade so it doesnt look as white as it is. Nonetheless ill post how it come out in about a weeks worth.
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TheClearChameleon
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: Stromrider]
#18969279 - 10/12/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Denial? No sir, Jus being positive, theres a difference  i have faith in my cleanliness got 10/10 jars no contams and open air inoculation Only one that failed was the mexdutch, but i blame the syringe/supplier for that
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: Stromrider]
#18969618 - 10/12/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wood chips for cubensis?
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: Pestile]
#18969636 - 10/12/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does look a bit like cobweb, but we should know if it is cobweb or weak mycelium sooner than a week.
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: D.M.T]
#18981284 - 10/15/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Update: so it turn sout my tray did get a contam but not cobweb, it was starting to pick up green mold that was bearly starting to want to spread. I noticed there was a tear in the aluminum wrap so my mess up in not covering it up properly. FAIL! Oh well... I did how ever break it appart and saved some good myc so the experiment didnt go in vein.
 Hows it look to you guys?
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TheClearChameleon
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The set up, shotgun w/ two small fans,thinking i might not need really need it...
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You failed your first exam. Why are there fans blowing on your cakes? Why did you break up a contaminated substrate and then put it in a jar?
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TheClearChameleon said: The set up, shotgun w/ two small fans
...and im drunk....
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Edited by PussyFart (10/19/13 01:59 AM)
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For a returning mycology student, you don't seem to have studied all that much.
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: Pestile]
#18999227 - 10/19/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Why are there fans blowing on your cakes? Why did you break up a contaminated substrate and then put it in a jar?
The fans arent running, i just simply placed it there for no reason. Im thinking of attaching them either to the side or top once i see pins and or if not enough air exchange is provided allready. Even at that ,the fans are fairly weak. The contam of the tray was at the top on the 1/2" verm barrier, it never really penetrated the actual substrate. So I cut off a good portion around the "bad part" and kept some of the substrate to use w/ MGMC as a casing. <--- any tricks,tips,hints on that?
...and im drunk....
Is it the fact that im "using" fans ?or the shotgun chamber?
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Pestilence said: For a returning mycology student, you don't seem to have studied all that much. 
You may be right, im jus merely experimenting as you can see... So thats why im here to get schooled but instead jus getting bashed on it seems, still any criticism helps me
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I just think you should watch "Lets Grow Mushrooms" and follow the tek.
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: Pestile]
#18999385 - 10/19/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ive read and watched that before, thanks for the advice. On the other hand im curious about this jar. Theres this little speck where it wont colonize and the myc jus kinda fluffs around it. Any advanced student might know whats up with this?
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it could be a thousand reasons...... u also realize by putting ur jar upside down ur restricting GE... could be contam or stall do to poor ge.
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: silverstem]
#18999635 - 10/19/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If it were a contam wouldnt another color show? Ps again they were only flipped to show/take picture. Maybe its a stall? Idk ive never had this happen before  Ill read up on these stalls though, thanks!
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Don't flip a jar just to take a picture. It disturbs the dry verm layer which is your filter. Bad idea
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: Stromrider]
#19001573 - 10/19/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think by student this person means to say that they are currently in the process of learning.... That may clear up some of the surprising actions and complete disregard for any standardized tek.
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TheClearChameleon said: If it were a contam wouldnt another color show? Ps again they were only flipped to show/take picture. Maybe its a stall? Idk ive never had this happen before  Ill read up on these stalls though, thanks!
bacterial contams rarely show color... they have an odor. all i can say is toss that jar if it doesnt grow. stick to the teks..
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: silverstem]
#19002060 - 10/19/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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silverstem said: bacterial contams rarely show color...
Really?
Looks like the color yellow to me....
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: PussyFart]
#19002069 - 10/19/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i thought metabolites are the only color you would see if you had bacteria... my bad. used old info. but let me just correct it..... you dont always need to see a color to have a contam.
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: toawbe]
#19048968 - 10/28/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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toawbe said: I think by student this person means to say that they are currently in the process of learning.... That may clear up some of the surprising actions and complete disregard for any standardized tek.
Exactly! Jus getting back to it, experimenting, having fun. Heres a little update, got the cakes pinning and casing going on. Feedback appreciated. Im using MGMC for the casing.
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ive never done cakes but from what ive read you need to float those cakes above the perlite with foil or something.
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I hope those cakes are not sitting directly on the perlite.
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: PussyFart]
#19049097 - 10/28/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They are sitting directly on the perlite. I think theyll be allright... I know its not suggested to do so. I was thinking to add foil to em though. Before i used the foil as a little cup to have a little amount of water for the cakes to soak up. But since im on the experimental tip i let them directly on it..
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TheClearChameleon said: They are sitting directly on the perlite. I think theyll be allright...
Sure they'll be alright, no doubt, but they could be a lot better off.
The perlite could waterlog and oversaturate them, not to mention them wasting energy trying to colonize the perlite instead of fruiting....but hey it's your time wasted, not mine.
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Re: Returning mycology student [Re: PussyFart]
#19049209 - 10/28/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
The perlite could waterlog and oversaturate them, not to mention them wasting energy trying to colonize the perlite instead of fruiting...
Good pointer bro, i think i will place em on aluminum afterall.
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Almost harvest time!
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