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Poor Flush. Moisture problem?
    #18968080 - 10/12/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

After a week of consolidation and dunk and roll, using the TIT fruiting method I got a bumper crop of just 3 solitary if beautiful B+ cubensis, with one big 'un, but now one of the 4 remaining jars out of an original 9 is getting mould. I was sloppy with the sterile business, and that explains that, but, apart from the one cake, the rest are not pinning. How to remedy this? Admittedly, a couple of the cakes were not consolidated, but still, they've been sitting there for 10 days now.

I mean I don't get it. On the one hand, the mycelium is now supposed now to be protected from mould, and at the same time moisture level needs to be very high, for pinning (which it is). If we need moisture for the cakes, well, do they absorb it from the outside? Could it be that even after the dunk and roll, the cakes have lost too much moisture, and what moisture gathers on the vermiculite is not enough? 

What I notice is that vermiculite does not completely cover the cakes. Only some of it sticks to the cake. I wasn't sure if that was a big deal. But then some advice I saw here was, to dry the cakes with a paper towel after dunking. But then how can the verm stick properly? Any tek to make it stick? Are we aiming for a complete and total covering of the cakes in verm in order to protect them from the evil moisture? Is that the purpose? If so, how to get the vermiculite to stick?


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Re: Poor Flush. Moisture problem? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #18968096 - 10/12/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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After a week of consolidation and dunk and roll, using the TIT fruiting method I got a bumper crop of just 3 solitary if beautiful B+ cubensis, with one big 'un, but now one of the 4 remaining jars out of an original 9 is getting mould.



Please explain "the TIT fruiting method"....not sure about that one.

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What I notice is that vermiculite does not completely cover the cakes. Only some of it sticks to the cake. I wasn't sure if that was a big deal. But then some advice I saw here was, to dry the cakes with a paper towel after dunking. But then how can the verm stick properly? Any tek to make it stick? Are we aiming for a complete and total covering of the cakes in verm in order to protect them from the evil moisture? Is that the purpose? If so, how to get the vermiculite to stick?



Do not dry them after the dunk, just roll them in dry verm.

Mist the cakes an hour later....whatever sticks sticks...whatever falls falls.


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Re: Poor Flush. Moisture problem? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18972857 - 10/13/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the info, Notahacker.

I guess one of the problems for beginners is conflicting information and there's so much that's not documented (at least as official info).

The 'TIT' method is an acronym I got from these here parts, referring to Tub-in-Tub;  the smaller tub (-fruiting chamber) sitting in the larger one which contains a submersible aquarium heater. The temp. is well-controlled, at around 75-77F with moisture at between 93 and 99%. I have lids on both,(not tightly on, I might add) The moisture from the heat produced by the bigger tub rises to condense and find its way into the smaller one.

That said, moisture had been dripping from the smaller tub's lid, and an occasional large drop would find its way down onto the cakes. I've now remedied that with what I consider an interesting workaround. I used "row cover", you're perhaps familiar with, - a white thread-like fabric you can get at your garden centre, and used to cover and protect plants in the exterior, keeping them warmer and protecting them from frost, and insects, and the like.

It works a treat, in that it catches the moisture drops, stops them from falling onto the cakes, so that it's diffused into the fabric. At the same time, it doesn't stop air exchange.

So for the first time I have a properly high-moisture environment, which I lacked in my first attempt.


Last time I used the shotgun method, drilling holes like a madman. It seemed like a totally counter-productive tek to moisture retention. It all went out the holes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that tek seems like a load of complete bollox to me. And the tek I'm using does retain the moisture, and acc. to the general tek instructions, all I should need to do, (and am doing, is fanning).

What do you think of the shotgun method? Is that outdated? Or if not, how can you employ it, yet still retain the needed high moisture level?

Update: Actually, since yesterday, one of the 4 cakes I thought was dead, has started to pin. (that I was too impatient to consolidate, but said I'd see what happened.) Yayy! However...another 2 have taken on a suspiciously-blue character. If that's mould, dumb question, should I remove them? Does that mould spread like wildfire?


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Re: Poor Flush. Moisture problem? [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #18973102 - 10/13/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Edited by saralove (09/08/16 12:59 AM)


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Re: Poor Flush. Moisture problem? [Re: saralove]
    #18973232 - 10/13/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, Sara,

Where were you when I needed you? Yeah, that .PDF looks like exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. Read,read, read. Sure. Good advice. But it's not that easy when there's no alternative to trawling this site, (and others) which is so huge, for the info you need in the moment, and knowing who to listen to. It's a gradual labor to acquire the knowledge. We're led to believe that BRF tek is so simple and idiot-proof. Well, we're not all idiots, but subtle things can make all the difference.
By the way, is that the same Roger Rabbit that made those BRF cake tek videos that shroomery.org says are the only videos using that technique that it wholly endorses?


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Re: Poor Flush. Moisture problem? [Re: saralove]
    #18973382 - 10/13/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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saralove said:
I suggest adding this PDF to your reading material. It's RogerRabbit's cultivation notes, one of our senior growers.

Then use the search bar for any topic you wish to know about using the Trusted Cultivator option for more possible updated results.

Read, read, read! :smile::thumbup:

:mushroom2:Sara



Just know that those notes were not compiled by RR himself.

That is all I got lol.


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