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Stromrider
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She's always talking about how she's sooo wealthy and lives on a private island with a yacht and has a maid yet she is sitting at an old piece of shit computer in what looks like a run down apartment in one of the pics. What a joke
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Nice Ol Bud
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Registered: 09/11/13
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Loc: Mystical Maze of Mushroom...
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Re: What have I missed? [Re: Stromrider]
#18966002 - 10/11/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do any of you guys recommend doing 6T's WBS tek?
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SupaThaRipper
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Registered: 09/02/13
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Well she has been to 4 continents..
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anne halonium said: ive used tap , in all aspects of the grow, in multiple cities, on 4 continents, over 35 yrs.
if its drinkable , its fine IMO.
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anne halonium said: ive used tap , in all aspects of the grow, in multiple cities, on 4 continents, over 35 yrs.
if its drinkable , its fine IMO.
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spacechildo
proletarians rise up



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Re: What have I missed? [Re: bodhisatta]
#18967081 - 10/12/13 04:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Here's some more good advice. Violet's tek is a worthwhile read if you read the whole thread.
Better advice. Anne H is a known troll and second most ignored user (and for so few posts too) on the fourms for good reason. see for yourself.
Why would you first advice a tek, and then to ignore the "creator" of the tek?
The violet tek goes against everything we know about mushrooms. They don't drink fertilizers like plants, and the mycelium is not a root network as in plants.
Oh, and those other forums really are mind numbing crap. I'm so glad I joined the Shroomery, and not say mycotopia. The kind of advice they give new growers is really far out. I browsed there yesterday just to see if there was anything to see, and they were promoting no-hole monos with pics of skinny long fruits 
"look at my great results"... replies goes: "woooow!"
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Sockadin



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anne halonium said: 22k hits...... and one opinion noted. and, another weak second motion.
not only is it new, but alot of peeps are doing it with great success , both here and other forums , with several species.
always, a handful of haters........
I have read through Violet's Tech, and while I like it and it's ease of use, I don't think it gives better results than normal. In fact bottom watering did not work for me at least. Also, you advocating for V's Techs kind of makes people less likely to take it into consideration. I think she has some very good write ups, however I believe you need to go back to Grammar and Punctuation Class in school.
Lots of Love,
The Sockadin.
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Violet



Registered: 12/06/11
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spacechildo said: The violet tek goes against everything we know about mushrooms.
Such as? RogerRabbit had said a similar thing once, but on closer inspection he found ferts to be the one part he took issue with, and re-opened the tek's thread after discussing that with me.
What many people seem to be missing is that my tek isn't just saying "fruit straight grain somehow, cross fingers." It's a particular way to do it with subs of a particular size in order to utilize a specific bottom-watering method instead of bulk+dunking for water. So it's truly a juiced-up Oss and Oeric, the original grow tek, with watering mods that make the most of the grain. Thus as someone else recently said, "The only thing in (Violet tek) that hasn't been proved on these very forums is the use of ferts."
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spacechildo said: They don't drink fertilizers like plants, and the mycelium is not a root network as in plants.
I'm not sure where you get the 2nd part, something about "root network." This indicates to me that you don't grasp what the tek is actually talking about since you seem to think it says something it does not.
The first part about mycelium not "drinking fertilizers" is a DUH which my tek not only does NOT state but also points out does not occur, indicating to me that you haven't actually read my statements about ferts as you seem to think I say the exact opposite. It's not the mycelium that uses the fertilizer elements, but rather nitrobacter and nitrosomona just as in nature, during a specific pre-fermentation process. The mycelium do not use the ferts, but rather the bacteria's products just as in nature.
-------------------- Intentionally or not, here in mushcult we are purveyors of love culture and enlightenment movement. Let's try to act like it! PODS TEK - Growing Invitro with BRF/verm or Grass Seed containers The simplest, quickest, safest tek! For beginners, culturers, lazy people, stealth lovers, contam haters, and alternative seekers! • Violet's Teks and Posts •
Edited by Violet (10/12/13 08:35 AM)
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spacechildo
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Re: What have I missed? [Re: Violet]
#18967728 - 10/12/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Violet said:
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spacechildo said: The violet tek goes against everything we know about mushrooms.
Such as? RogerRabbit had said a similar thing once, but on closer inspection he found ferts to be the one part he took issue with
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spacechildo said: They don't drink fertilizers like plants, and the mycelium is not a root network as in plants.
I'm not sure where you get the 2nd part, something about "root network." This indicates to me that you don't grasp what the tek is actually talking about since you seem to think it says something it does not.
It's not the mycelium that uses the fertilizer elements, but rather nitrobacter and nitrosomona just as in nature, during a specific pre-fermentation process. The mycelium do not use the ferts, but rather the bacteria's products just as in nature.
About my somewhat misworded "mycelium drinking fertilizers" statement and what "we" the mycologists know about mushrooms, I would say that RR disagreeing on something as elementary as this would underline the fact that your statement goes again what "we" know about mushrooms.
What I meant when I said "root system" was that plants draw most of their water from the roots network under the ground, while mycelium absorbs water from all over it's surface, and you're missing out when only applying water to the bottom.
I can understand that my words may not have been explanatory for what i meant. I hope this made more sense.
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Kjetterfaen
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Registered: 07/21/13
Posts: 495
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This thread is like 90% pissing contest already, within one page... Jeez guys...
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Mush4Brains
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Registered: 07/31/13
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Every time Anne or Violet show up, RR is usually close behind.
I hope this time is no difference.
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bodhisatta 
Smurf real estate agent



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SupaThaRipper said: Lol that profile was disturbing
I thought so too
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Violet



Registered: 12/06/11
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May I remind my Shroomery compatriots that this is a public board, wide-open for the discussion of related topics? What few rules there are here regard line-toeing behaviour like yours, not topics like mine. Stuff like that is what brings the lock.
I think RR is great and we get on quite fine. It may not serve you to make presumptions on his behalf; he seems to have a far better attitude and agree-to-disagreeability than many of you vying to get a little 2¢ in.
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spacechildo said: What I meant when I said "root system" was that plants draw most of their water from the roots network under the ground, while mycelium absorbs water from all over it's surface, and you're missing out when only applying water to the bottom.
I can understand that my words may not have been explanatory for what i meant. I hope this made more sense.
It did make more sense in expressing the meaning you intended, and thank you. However it doesn't fully make sense as far as the reality of the matter, as you're only bringing up not facts but small cultivator-minded convenient perspectives regarding water & mycelium.
A few simple rhetorical questions for you: What are mushrooms ~90% made of? How does it get there? Where did it come from? Water. Mycelium easily move incredible amounts of it wherever they want. They absorbed it from the substrate, but are capable of absorbing it directly from liquid not only as well (hence dunk) but simultaneously.
If you're trying to act as if bottom-watering doesn't work when you haven't tried it. People who know do not deny the fact that bottom-watering does well to feed substrates moisture. InTheBigguns is quite outspoken about having done bottom-watering. RR has long said that even the difficult-to-hydrate PF cake can be set in a saucer of water for such a purpose. Truly it's a surprise that it hasn't been taken up commonly sooner, it's a real shortcut to providing grain's nutrition with water.
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spacechildo said: About my somewhat misworded "mycelium drinking fertilizers" statement and what "we" the mycologists know about mushrooms, I would say that RR disagreeing on something as elementary as this would underline the fact that your statement goes again what "we" know about mushrooms.
RR himself would not go so far as to say his words are the source of fact beyond adjustment or refute. Perhaps you make the mistake of confusing RR's stance with the word of the mushroom gods. I understand RR's position well - it's the position I used to take. He has indicated admission that at least the specific matter that my outspokenness regards is not truly settled. This is because it's not determined that bacteria cannot take up these elements and end with them in forms mycelium can use, but in fact much bio precedent indicates they could. Thus, considering it as a quantifiable topic waits on either the social acceptance or a novel method to determine. For this reason he would like for it not to be something mistaken by noobs right-away, particularly as it was added on at the end of a top-hitting new tek with high visibility. This I understand and respect, thus removed it from my main tek thread when he very friendly unlocked my thread.
-------------------- Intentionally or not, here in mushcult we are purveyors of love culture and enlightenment movement. Let's try to act like it! PODS TEK - Growing Invitro with BRF/verm or Grass Seed containers The simplest, quickest, safest tek! For beginners, culturers, lazy people, stealth lovers, contam haters, and alternative seekers! • Violet's Teks and Posts •
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Mush4Brains
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Re: What have I missed? [Re: Violet]
#18968214 - 10/12/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Violet, we get it, you like your Tek. Others don't. You need to learn that you don't have to write a book every time somebody criticizes your work. Just because it is a public board and you CAN post, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
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Kjetterfaen
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The fuck... calmly writing out the reasoning and arguments for your case is the only proper way to react when someone criticizes an idea you propagate. I'd say your lesson of "just 'cause you can doesn't mean you have to" could be better applied to some of the kindergarten shit on the previous page.
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Violet



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Mush4Brains said: Violet, we get it, you like your Tek. Others don't. You need to learn that you don't have to write a book every time somebody criticizes your work. Just because it is a public board and you CAN post, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
What's it to you newb, that you'd go out of your way to say such to me? I post because I want to. I may not like it when community-homie-wannabes throw in their silly 2¢ but just shrug it off anyway. I suggest you do the same when other people use their universe-given freedom to post what they want. Besides, at least I'm always calmly talking objectively about the myco stuff & never making it personal. "Big people talk about ideas, Average people talk about things, Small people talk about other people."
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Kjetterfaen said: ... calmly writing out the reasoning and arguments for your case is the only proper way to react when someone criticizes an idea you propagate. I'd say your lesson of "just 'cause you can doesn't mean you have to" could be better applied to some of the kindergarten shit on the previous page.
-------------------- Intentionally or not, here in mushcult we are purveyors of love culture and enlightenment movement. Let's try to act like it! PODS TEK - Growing Invitro with BRF/verm or Grass Seed containers The simplest, quickest, safest tek! For beginners, culturers, lazy people, stealth lovers, contam haters, and alternative seekers! • Violet's Teks and Posts •
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Mush4Brains
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Re: What have I missed? [Re: Violet]
#18968527 - 10/12/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Small people talk about other people
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you newb
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community-homie-wannabes
, whatever you say. And reg date doesn't mean shit, I've been around the OMC under various aliases for years, and you've probably seen some of my work on the web. Thousands of people have probably eaten my product, and I know that I've changed more lives than I can count. Now I'm here to help out others spread the love.
Results speak for themselves, and the results show that your methods are inconsistent and don't work for everyone. You go to any TC's journal, you'll see consistency that works for everyone if you follow the Teks they use to the "T" and you'll get so many mushrooms you don't know what to do with them all.
People were casing grains, bottom watering, experimenting with fertilizers, using plastic, and discussing potency for years before you got here and did your little writeup. It's nothing new. You organized it well, but you're not breaking any new ground.
Your goal of "[l]et's grow more, greener, cheaper, faster, easier, safer, stronger" simply doesn't hold up. That, and your attitude towards people who doubt your methods, is why people poke fun at your Tek.
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spacechildo
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Re: What have I missed? [Re: Violet]
#18968802 - 10/12/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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First of all, of course Violet should post. She's obviously more experienced and knowledgeable than I am in MC. I like to have her around and it can never hurt to have someone try to figure out the mysteries regarding potency She often rises my eyebrows with her statements, but has always responded me with information rather than condescension.
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Violet said: I think RR is great and we get on quite fine. It may not serve you to make presumptions on his behalf; he seems to have a far better attitude and agree-to-disagreeability than many of you vying to get a little 2¢ in.
I'm not sure it was, but if this was directed at me I have now also underlined why I namedropped RR. It was bolded earlier but somewhat hard to notice. I made him the face or spokesperson of the "latest version of the truth" regardin mycology, aka "everything we know about mushrooms" Just trying to make myself clear, as I've come of somewhat incomprehensible ealier:
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spacechildo said: The violet tek goes against everything we know about mushrooms.
Such as? RogerRabbit had said a similar thing once, but on closer inspection he found ferts to be the one part he took issue with
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Violet said: InTheBigguns is quite outspoken about having done bottom-watering. RR has long said that even the difficult-to-hydrate PF cake can be set in a saucer of water for such a purpose. Truly it's a surprise that it hasn't been taken up commonly sooner, it's a real shortcut to providing grain's nutrition with water.
Maybe it's due to your notion about bottom watering and how rarely it's been mention, but I never perceived it as a shortcut, rather a short term quick fix. I know the mycelium forms transport routes, but with the lots of fresh air the mycelium loves I never understood they were able to draw all the water it could ever wanted just from it's bottom surface. When you mist the entire surface you allow the whole block of mycelium to absorb water, rather than having the bottom part wet over longer periods of time while absorbing for the entire block.
Also, in nature where the mycelium is underground they touch wet or humid dirt all around it's surface. At least I've never seen much mycelium grow right on the ground when I've picked mushies outdoors (Northern Europe)
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SpitballJedi
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Re: What have I missed? [Re: Noble] 1
#18969253 - 10/12/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, here's what you missed:
A troll is about to break the record for most ignores.
FrankHorrigan is doing real well at making easy to follow teks that show how tried and true methods can lead to great success.
Violet has introduced a tek that revolutionizes mycology. It blows monotubs out of the water and we are all living in the Dark Ages. I have not seen any evidence that supports this claim, but the infomercial is sooo damn good.
Bubble wrap came and went, much like Clear Pepsi and Night Ranger.
Walter White is dead. But his family is getting some money, so the end's justify the means. I wished they would have killed Jessie, it was all his fault. Dumb-ass.
Did I mention ninja contams? Oh yeah, ninja contams.
Other than that, not much. Same old questions and arguments as usual.
How have you been?
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Stromrider
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SpitballJedi said: So, here's what you missed:
A troll is about to break the record for most ignores.
FrankHorrigan is doing real well at making easy to follow teks that show how tried and true methods can lead to great success.
Violet has introduced a tek that revolutionizes mycology. It blows monotubs out of the water and we are all living in the Dark Ages. I have not seen any evidence that supports this claim, but the infomercial is sooo damn good.
Bubble wrap came and went, much like Clear Pepsi and Night Ranger.
Walter White is dead. But his family is getting some money, so the end's justify the means. I wished they would have killed Jessie, it was all his fault. Dumb-ass.
Did I mention ninja contams? Oh yeah, ninja contams.
Other than that, not much. Same old questions and arguments as usual.
How have you been?
good stuff spitball
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bodhisatta 
Smurf real estate agent



Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,890
Loc: Milky way
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Re: What have I missed? [Re: Stromrider]
#18969691 - 10/12/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This thread is a good example of why I kind of want to just go back to lurking.
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spaceman101
Friend to all



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Re: What have I missed? [Re: bodhisatta]
#18969739 - 10/12/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn you summed it up just right spitball
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