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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: Bhairabas]
    #1910874 - 09/12/03 08:03 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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There's a big difference between E and pure MDMA




there shouldn't be.  and there didn't used to be.  but yeah, I know what you're saying. 

you can still find molly around though, you just gotta know the people that have it before it gets pressed :wink:

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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1910929 - 09/12/03 08:27 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

A few people said it. It is up to us. We can't complain we must take action. I know I'm not gonna let this culture go to shit. Gimme five years- 3 for schooling and 2 for lab setup and distribution. I'm a do it outside the USA by the way, but will make sure it gets back to you all. Someone gotta spread the love or we are all doomed. That fate has fallen upon me. Others too should join the cause. :grin: 


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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: Teragon]
    #1910938 - 09/12/03 08:31 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

agreed im in, i wasnt sure before, but i am now. anyone kno the appx base cost of lab setup? jus appx i kno not many of u have LSD labs.lol . damn im high


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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: Solitude]
    #1910975 - 09/12/03 08:40 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

its gotta be pretty expensive
i think i remember reading that you need to do IR spectroscopy on it (but i could be wrong) and those machines are far from cheap

it was either that or soem chromatography machien you needed...i forget
i know it was something expensive


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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: Help on the Way]
    #1910992 - 09/12/03 08:45 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

the only easy way to do it would be to operate out of a lab that's already there for some other purpose.

like a university or a pharmecuetical company, or some industrial shit or medical lab.

You would have to be independantly wealthy to set up a lab and do it right. Its easier just to know people and have access to their lab.

of course, this is all just theoretical, as I have no experiential knowledge in this area

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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1911003 - 09/12/03 08:49 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, and by the way, if I had serious plans to make LSD I would certainly not be talking about it on an internet forum that anyone can read.

I think you guys have already disqualified yourselves from doing it just by discussing it here.  Big Brother watches that shit like a fuckin hawk.

shit, we're probably all on their lists now!!!

fuck!!  Who's that in the bushes?  what's he saying?
"red team go! red team go!"

AAAAAAAGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHHGHGHHGGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK!!!!!

WHERE ARE THEY???
:crazy:  :crazy:  :crazy:

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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1911009 - 09/12/03 08:51 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
Oh, and by the way, if I had serious plans to make LSD I would certainly not be talking about it on an internet forum that anyone can read.





yea NO SHIT


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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: Teragon]
    #1911254 - 09/12/03 10:24 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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I know I'm not gonna let this culture go to shit. Gimme five years- 3 for schooling and 2 for lab setup and distribution.




That all sounds grand, but the problem is not supply or demand.
The problem is distribution..sigh. I've been sayin that this whole thread, but pipe dreams are where its at these day I guess..


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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: Jellric]
    #1911477 - 09/12/03 11:56 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Here is the reason why we do not have LSD, like I said not many people produce it. Read this, it's about Leonard Pickard. If you tripped in the past 10 years or so you can write him and thank him for making it. Shit he's been at it since the 80's his last lab got busted with enough E.T. and supples to produce almost 900 million hits of LSD. His trial ends in october, and is facing life in prison. He already served 5 years for 200,000 hits in the late 80's eary 90's.

Thank you PIckard.


http://www.cjonline.com/stories/022703/kan_lsdtrial.shtml


The Capital-Journal

The seizure of a Wamego LSD lab in 2000 apparently contributed to a major reduction in the amount of the drug being confiscated and tested by authorities, a Drug Enforcement Administration official testified Wednesday.
Karl Nichols, special agent for the DEA and a former DEA forensic chemist, testified that DEA testing of suspected LSD dropped 90 percent in 2001. He also said that in 2002 and so far this year no suspected LSD has been submitted for testing to the DEA laboratory.

He credited the seizure of the LSD lab at Wamego and confiscations of labs in British Columbia in 1996 and in Oregon in 1997 for the decline in testing.

Nichols was testifying in the U.S. District Court trial of William Leonard Pickard, 57, and Clyde Apperson, 47, who are charged with conspiracy and possession of LSD with intent to distribute more than 10 grams of the drug. Throughout the bulk of the trial, Nichols and a second DEA special agent have sat with assistant U.S. Attorney Greg Hough, often tracking hundreds of pieces of evidence and shepherding witnesses in and out of the courtroom.

Nichols told jurors that the LSD lab confiscated in Wamego from a Ryder rental truck driven by Apperson on Nov. 6, 2000, probably was the largest clandestine drug lab he had ever seen.

He identified six people who were "intimately" involved in producing the LSD: Pickard; Apperson; Alfred Savinelli, whose shop received chemicals and laboratory glassware on behalf of Pickard; Gordon Todd Skinner, who laundered money and handled details; James Edward Miller, also known as Edward James Miller, who supplied E.T., a chemical necessary to make LSD; and Alec Reid, who received the LSD in California and distributed it.



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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: ISH]
    #1911526 - 09/13/03 12:38 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I know !! I was the one who originally mentioned this case in this thread. .he is the exception that proves the rule. He is the only major acid producer I'm aware of to be caught in the last quarter century!! Supply will never be a problem, demand is not currently a problem, its the *distribution* that's the problem.


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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: Jellric]
    #1911558 - 09/13/03 12:59 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Actually there were 2 other busts in 1996 and 1997.
I will make it bold for you.


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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: ISH]
    #1911613 - 09/13/03 01:16 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Actually there were 2 other busts in 1996 and 1997.




Ok, I'd be interested to hear about these as well.


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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: ISH]
    #1911620 - 09/13/03 01:17 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Another article:
HERE
and
HERE2
Basically do a
Google Search for Pickard+LSD

What a drug. Where less than a handfull of people could supply a nation...


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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: Kiafi]
    #1912003 - 09/13/03 04:54 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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Thats primarily for LSA, not LSD. The only truly efficient way to prodouce it en masse is to extract it from Ergot.



The point of extracting the LSA (aka ergine) would in this case be to use it for LSD synthesis. I believe the big LSD producers use commercial ergotamine tartrate that has been diverted from legal markets. But if you're only going to make 10,000 doses, extraction would not be a huge problem with either morning glory seeds or ergot culture.

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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: Teragon]
    #1914001 - 09/13/03 09:16 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Well, your first batch should pay for your own equippment then. :wink:

Transporting it shouldn't be even close as hard as bud is. I mean LSD is a clear liquid for heaven sakes! You could say it's water if an authority finds it. If that person doesn't believe it's water, let them drink some. 


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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: Murex]
    #1915362 - 09/14/03 12:30 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

LSD is transported as cystal in upper level distribution.

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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: Adom]
    #1949679 - 09/24/03 09:13 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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I hope you can find that Rolling Stone article and if you have a scanner, maybe you can post some excerpts from it, maybe in a seperate thread. I'm sure a lot of other people would be interested as well.






Well i finally found it, and I'm gonna get some pics up first. Right now I'm trying to find some OCR software for the scanner so I can put the whole article on here.


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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: tak]
    #1951046 - 09/25/03 12:24 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

If a very strong "mushroom" culture emerges, I think that it will hurt spore vendors (they'd hve to be shut down to 'protect' us), but I think that we need toget as many people growing as posisble before that happens. The best thing about shrooms, as long as you have some shroom and some knowhow, you can make more shrooms.


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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: lysergic]
    #1953003 - 09/25/03 11:45 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

HERE IS A QUICK PIC FROM THE ARTICLE.




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Re: Death of the Acid Culture [Re: ISH]
    #1953083 - 09/26/03 12:11 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

HERE IS THE LSD LAB



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