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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18968842 - 10/12/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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How come Obama gets to undo the law that was passed by Congress and mostly upheld by the SCOTUS




You keep bringing this up but have no proof besides what your right-wing hate blogs tell you to parrot.


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18968912 - 10/12/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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How come Obama gets to undo the law that was passed by Congress and mostly upheld by the SCOTUS




You keep bringing this up but have no proof besides what your right-wing hate blogs tell you to parrot.



No proof?


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/07/03/afl-cio-chief-says-health-law-delay-troubling/

The Obama administration said Tuesday it would delay enforcing a provision of the new health-care law that requires large employers to provide coverage for workers or pay a penalty in 2014, the biggest revision so far to the federal health-care overhaul.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/11/study-obamacare-has-been-amended-delayed-19-times/

Mr. Obama has also acted on his own, declaring five separate delays this year. Most recently he announced one-year delays on checking the applicants for exchanges to see if they should have employer-based coverage.


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18968981 - 10/12/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, I know what you're talking about, now make the argument that it is illegal.


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18969035 - 10/12/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Don't you keep going on that Congressmen can't change a law that they write and that it is a done deal so those Congresspeople elected to oppose it should just shut the fuck up and swallow it?  I'm just applying your rules.

As to the legality of it we will just have to see what the SCOTUS says when it gets there.  Seems to me a serious breach of equal protection, n'est ce pas?


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18969052 - 10/12/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't you keep going on that Congressmen can't change a law that they write




No.

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I'm just applying your rules.




No, you're purposely misrepresenting what I say to further your own agenda.

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equal protection




There is actually an equal protection suit going through the courts now that might hold water.  I don't know your equal protection issues are, but if they aren't these, than they probably don't hold much water.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-lawsuit-oklahoma-pruitt/2013/10/09/id/530113

I also don't know if this could actually get the whole law repealed.


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18969069 - 10/12/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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Don't you keep going on that Congressmen can't change a law that they write




No.

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I'm just applying your rules.




No, you're purposely misrepresenting what I say to further your own agenda.




I'm not misrepresenting anything.  What you write is plain to see.
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equal protection




There is actually an equal protection suit going through the courts now that might hold water.  I don't know your equal protection issues are, but if they aren't these, than they probably don't hold much water.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-lawsuit-oklahoma-pruitt/2013/10/09/id/530113




That doesn't include Presidential over-reach.  That hasn't even begun.  The unions are barking as well.


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18969104 - 10/12/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not misrepresenting anything.




The only thing I've said is that if they want to repeal the law, then get the votes.

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The unions are barking as well.




Since when have you given a fuck about unions, besides wanting to see them dismantled?  Shouldn't something that pisses off the unions be good to you?  They also said they don't want the law repealed, but fixed.


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18969122 - 10/12/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not misrepresenting anything.




The only thing I've said is that if they want to repeal the law, then get the votes.




That would explain the make up of the House n'est ce pas?
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The unions are barking as well.




Since when have you given a fuck about unions, besides wanting to see them dismantled?  Shouldn't something that pisses off the unions be good to you?  They also said they don't want the law repealed, but fixed.




What's the difference, fixed or repealed?  Fixed into what?


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18969141 - 10/12/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That would explain the make up of the House n'est ce pas?




What about the Senate where the Democrats gained seats, and Obama winning by 5million votes? 

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What's the difference, fixed or repealed?  Fixed into what?




I don't write laws.  If the PPACA is fixed into anything, it should be single-payer.  I'm not a fan of the PPACA, but it is better than the old system.  I'm one of those lefties that vote against the PPACA in polls, skewing the results by 15%.


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18969202 - 10/12/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It is the POTUS's job to IMPLEMENT the laws of congress as he see fit.


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #18969480 - 10/12/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It is the POTUS's job to IMPLEMENT the laws of congress as he see fit.




No, it isn't.  You just exposed yourself as a constitutional buffoon.  The President, "executive":

"The executive officer is not supposed to make laws (the role of the legislature) or interpret them (the role of the judiciary). The role of the executive is to enforce the law as written by the legislature and interpreted by the judicial system."


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18969744 - 10/12/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

To enforce the law as written is up to interpretation by the executive branch.  I should really just stop reading your posts :facepalm:.  Just because you can copy and paste off of Google doesn't mean you're right.  You can't enforce something unless it is interpreted from law to enforcement.


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18969941 - 10/12/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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sweeper54 said:
It is the POTUS's job to IMPLEMENT the laws of congress as he see fit.




No, it isn't.  You just exposed yourself as a constitutional buffoon.  The President, "executive":

"The executive officer is not supposed to make laws (the role of the legislature) or interpret them (the role of the judiciary). The role of the executive is to enforce the law as written by the legislature and interpreted by the judicial system."





IMPLEMENT

verb
the cost of implementing the new law: execute, apply, put into effect, put into action, put into practice, carry out/through, perform, enact; fulfill, discharge, accomplish, bring about, achieve, realize, actualize, phase in; formal effectuate.

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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #18969956 - 10/12/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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sweeper54 said:
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starfire_xes said:
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sweeper54 said:
It is the POTUS's job to IMPLEMENT the laws of congress as he see fit.




No, it isn't.  You just exposed yourself as a constitutional buffoon.  The President, "executive":

"The executive officer is not supposed to make laws (the role of the legislature) or interpret them (the role of the judiciary). The role of the executive is to enforce the law as written by the legislature and interpreted by the judicial system."





IMPLEMENT

verb
the cost of implementing the new law: execute, apply, put into effect, put into action, put into practice, carry out/through, perform, enact; fulfill, discharge, accomplish, bring about, achieve, realize, actualize, phase in; formal effectuate.

BUFFOON




OK.  That doesn't mean he can change the law unilaterally.  If the law says 'xyz will happen on 1 january' the president can't change it so it doesn't happen until he wants it.  is there something hard about that concept?  He has to, implement the laws, but NOT AS HE SEES FIT.  HE has to implement them as written.


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18969976 - 10/12/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

But s/he can read "xyz" as "abc" and implement what he wants until it is challenged through the courts.  :smug:.

You could read "starfire_xes is smart" and understand that somebody like Zappisgod wrote something so ridiculous, and take "is smart" actually means "has no idea what he is talking about."


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18969985 - 10/12/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The fuck he can't.

He can implement the law any way he wants, he can enforce the law any way he wants, he can apply as few resources as he wants...


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: sweeper54]
    #18970012 - 10/12/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The fuck he can't.

He can implement the law any way he wants, he can enforce the law any way he wants, he can apply as few resources as he wants...





STFU man, you're making it sound like the constitution and upheld laws make the executive branch the highest power in the land.  Everyone knows that the house of representatives is the final authority :smug:.


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18970026 - 10/12/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You'd think that if  you were an Orange Bonehner


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: sweeper54]
    #18970030 - 10/12/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A crying Boehner?

Or are those the same thing?


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Re: Let's Make A Deal!!!! [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18970054 - 10/12/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Soon he'll be a Crying Orange Bonehner.


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