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rumfor69
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Re: How rough are you when mixing spawn to substrate? [Re: PussyFart]
#18968653 - 10/12/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Covering exposed grains is not really necessary, I have never had a problem with not doing it.
The substrate seems to colonize faster, for me anyways....and a few TCs as well.
It colonized for me faster also, about 6-8 days(10-12 if covered thin.
I figured with faster colonization times the lower the risk of contams
getting a foot hold. I was curious in case there was better pinning if
a thin layer was applied or anything else i might have not known. Thanks
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Stromrider
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Re: How rough are you when mixing spawn to substrate? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18968661 - 10/12/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I concur with Hacker and franks post You guys
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Re: How rough are you when mixing spawn to substrate? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18968662 - 10/12/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sooo, maybe the damaged grain idea is a little outdated? Or could it just be a difference in WBS and Rye Berries?
I propose that your thick myc had colonized the inside of the WBS. Have you ever done as you described with Rye Berries? Or any other grains?
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Stromrider
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Re: How rough are you when mixing spawn to substrate? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18968677 - 10/12/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You know Spitball I have been curious about Rye Berries so I finally bought me a big bag a few weeks ago and I have to say I definitely prefer wbs. Maybe I am just used to it Just though I would add that info and I don't even know why
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Re: How rough are you when mixing spawn to substrate? [Re: Stromrider]
#18968708 - 10/12/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stromrider said: You know Spitball I have been curious about Rye Berries so I finally bought me a big bag a few weeks ago and I have to say I definitely prefer wbs. Maybe I am just used to it Just though I would add that info and I don't even know why 
I agree. I think it's easier to work with and much more forgiving.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: How rough are you when mixing spawn to substrate? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18968721 - 10/12/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like that I can boil the shit out of rye and get it nice and soft. It's just pricey and I prefer the smaller grain size WBS provides.
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SpitballJedi said: Sooo, maybe the damaged grain idea is a little outdated?
I certainly wouldn't go that far. I still cringe when I have to be rough with my grains. Maybe I'll have to start repeating my tests over and over and see what happens.
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PussyFart
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Re: How rough are you when mixing spawn to substrate? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18968744 - 10/12/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: I like that I can boil the shit out of rye
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Re: How rough are you when mixing spawn to substrate? [Re: PussyFart]
#18968746 - 10/12/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: How rough are you when mixing spawn to substrate? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18968761 - 10/12/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Copy and pasted from one of my posts in my thread....
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I have also wondered about the damaged grains. The only way mine could have gotten damaged was when I toss them in the strainer. They usually drain until they stop dripping, then I toss them around a bit and a good bit more water comes out. My metal strainer could damage them I guess.
As far as mixing goes, I mix pretty gently, but don't pay attention to really being gentle. If you can get what I'm saying.
I always assumed WBS colonized all the way through, at least enough to where nothing else could grow on them, but that's just been my assumption and I have no scientific evidence to back that up. Even if they were damaged, such as cracked in half or something, I figured they'd be okay.
To add a bit to that...
I do wear gloves, the disposable type that you'd find in a doctor's office. I do spray my gloves with a cleaning solution and let them air dry. I really DO try not to damage my grains by being too rough, but I'm not incredibly careful.
As to leaving a little bit of substrate on top of everything...
The way I've though of it is this. If the grains dry out and the myc dies, why would anything else germinate and then begin to grow on it? Now that I type that out, I see a few big flaws in that statement, but it's just what I've always figured.
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Re: How rough are you when mixing spawn to substrate? [Re: Stromrider]
#18968830 - 10/12/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel ya wee-strom, I'm used to rye berries and that's why I haven't switched. I'm reluctant to go through the struggles of learning something new.
But, if my theory holds true, then it may be wort it. It may colonize deeper, thus be less susceptible to contamination if damaged. 
BTW, I ave a '05 650 V-strom with 12,000 miles. Awesome bike.
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Re: How rough are you when mixing spawn to substrate? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#18968856 - 10/12/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: I feel ya wee-strom, I'm used to rye berries and that's why I haven't switched. I'm reluctant to go through the struggles of learning something new.
But, if my theory holds true, then it may be wort it. It may colonize deeper, thus be less susceptible to contamination if damaged. 
BTW, I ave a '05 650 V-strom with 12,000 miles. Awesome bike.
Man I love my wee! I had a vee for about a year and just wasn't happy with the characteristics of that big v-twin. It made some weird noises and had a lot of vibration. I was told by many people that was normal for that engine. I finally got a chance to ride a wee and I was hooked! It was everything I wished my vee was. I started searching CL and found one within about a month. I am very happy with it. Well until I can afford a GS
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Re: How rough are you when mixing spawn to substrate? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#26193915 - 09/17/19 01:24 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Old thread... But so interesting to me. I've been struggling with contams at first flush, and my spawn is clean and I got soooo tired of hearing that it has to be my spawn.
My mixing: (cubes, rye, coir)
Bucket tek, then spawn tossed into bucket. Then I hold the bucket above my head and shake it like a shaker for a long time, as hard as I can. a minute isn't enough - comes out uneven.
mold for days. Been fighting this for years. Always using this mixing technique.
I'm spawning 5 tubs today, no one has ever been more gentle than me, today. I'll report back in a few weeks.
Thanks for bringing this topic up. albeit a while back. Perhaps some people are being somewhat rough and it might explain their partial losses. I was being extremely rough, and I got full losses. Maybe I took one for the team and proved your concept! Look at the good I do.FML
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