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Theories on dmt entities
    #18964272 - 10/11/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Dmt entities have been called many names. Space elves, spirits, entities, ghosts, aliens, even deities. But where do you believe they come from? Are they merely creations of mind with no existence outside ones head? Or are they more? Do they have intentions, is there interaction with someone a signifigance?

One theory of mine is that they are spirits that go unnoticed normally. They possess great power, at the very least over the dmt user for that time and attempt to send a message or concept back home with the user. Rarely a user will even look as if in a possessed state to the outside world. People have reported a variety of interactions, even being raped
. Whatever strange realms people may be opening the gate to, one message rings clear. Be warned.

What are your theories? Are we getting in over our heads or deep within them? What relevance does this have to death? Angels? Demons? Deities and gods?


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: Everything] * 1
    #18964328 - 10/11/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

IMHO they are figments of your (DMT) imagination - just like all the other swirly, colorful, vortex-like imagery.

The higher the dose, the more the abstract and geometric images are left behind.  You then graduate to more "realistic" imagery that is organic, which can sometimes appear "humanoid with a DMT twist", leading to the apprehension of an alien-like intelligent life-form.

These "entities" are then described by the person as one or more of the things you enumerated in your OP since alternate descriptions - as with most of the things experienced while in the DMT headspace - defy description because of the limitations imposed by language.

THAT, in a nutshell, is how we end up with descriptions of entities, dieties, etcetera.

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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: Nature Boy]
    #18964379 - 10/11/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What we humans need to do is create a dream machine that can record thoughts and imagination, that would be a site. We could use this with dmt trips, dreams, even possibly death.


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: Everything]
    #18964420 - 10/11/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They are real. They exist in the "afterlife" which in turn will be life. Too many similarities between trips for me to personally just call it imagination.


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: highc]
    #18964975 - 10/11/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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MHO they are figments of your (DMT) imagination - just like all the other swirly, colorful, vortex-like imagery.




I'd change that slightly and suggest they are fragments of your conscious/subconscious mind placed into imagery - which is amazing to experience.

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Too many similarities between trips for me to personally just call it imagination.




Objectively that makes little rational sense - the reproducible quality of an event provides no cause for conclusions about its origin. Your mind is designed to identify patterns and find them interesting, thats a major impetus for us to learn about the natural world - DMT experiences are of the natural world, so in that regard they are "real" - but conclusions  beyond that could be better classified as indulgences.


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: Yippie]
    #18965162 - 10/11/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

perception is perception regardless of influential drugs.

is it real?
well.. what is real?

dmt tend s to feel 'familiar' to me, not 'real', to me it feels very dream like and I associate dreams with subconscious/unconscious.


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: bishlap]
    #18965237 - 10/11/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

all this talk about after life and shit makes me queezy.


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: Deathcore]
    #18965325 - 10/11/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

IMHO we are all one, meaning we are made of the source(god, greater spirit, w/e you want to to call, the universe etc.) and as you go away from the source you are going into lower frequency dimensions/realities
where there is less knowledge of the source, eventually you get down to the third D where energies are so dense things appear solid. I believe that dmt lets you operate on a little bit higher frequency than we normally do.


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18965348 - 10/11/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

We are the product of a dwarf star.


I feel like DMT entities are dead souls. They vibrate because that's what eternal thangz do.


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
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I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #18965356 - 10/11/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
We are the product of a dwarf star.


I feel like DMT entities are dead souls. They vibrate because that's what eternal thangz do.




The sun?

There are no such things as dead souls, we are eternal/infinite beings IMHO, perhaps souls that are currently not incarnated.


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18965524 - 10/11/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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IMHO we are all one, meaning we are made of the source(god, greater spirit, w/e you want to to call, the universe etc.) and as you go away from the source you are going into lower frequency dimensions/realities
where there is less knowledge of the source, eventually you get down to the third D where energies are so dense things appear solid. I believe that dmt lets you operate on a little bit higher frequency than we normally do.




well put


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: crispy86]
    #18965880 - 10/11/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Feel free to get creative with the it everyone. Just for fun, maybe bring up some concepts of trips you've had? I happen to feel it really is just ones consciousness imagining archetypes and deities, fragments of ones soul. However just like beliefs in gods and religion nothing is provable at this point. In fact ones own witness of these strange events stand as more personal evidence than The non existence. So feel free to have at it with your crazy theories, I personally only wish to hear your thoughts, free of criticism.


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: Everything]
    #18966065 - 10/11/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i smoked some very special dmt about a week ago, best batch i've ever had by a long shot. extremely potent and visual compared to most batches i've had...i've vaporized it twice

first trip, i was blinded with vision. i kept blinking my eyes because no matter whether they were open or closed, i couldn't see because there was too much too see, if that makes sense. it was overwhelming to say the least. we eyeballed the dosage, and i honestly think i packed a huge hit.

i was rushing at light speed up in an all metal elevator. the elevator doors opened up and i was bombarded by two jester-looking beings with big grins, but it was just their heads, chins joining. so one head was upright, and the other was upside down. needless to say, every color imaginable was to be seen. they rushed at me laughing, "hahahahahaha!!!" the telepathic message i was getting from them was, "this is what you wanted, so here you have it!" they passed through my body/head. they weren't benevolent beings, but they weren't necessarily evil either. they were simply mischievous

after that, i opened my eyes and looked into my brother's kitchen (i was sitting on the couch)...his wooden cabinets and entire kitchen were now metal with neon colors overlaying them. i thought to myself, "ok, my brother's kitchen is now a spaceship...time to close my eyes and see where else i can go."

then i ventured into an environment that was virtually identical to what alex grey depicts in his work titled, "net of being". i was there, and it was a space of pure bliss...i couldn't stop smiling. it felt like nirvana.

with carbon based lifeforms playing in the background, i started to parachute down and enjoy their psychedelic spacey music that meshes so well with the dmt experience.

it lasted about 30 minutes...i know...very long for a vaporized dmt experience

the second time i vaporized this batch was about a week ago: oddly enough, it was much shorter...about 10 minutes. i think i packed a smaller amount compared to the one i just described...probably half the amount...this time i measured 40mg

my bro and his girlfriend were spun on acid, and i was babysitting and decided to blast off once they peaked, so they could sit for me (:

so, i took two tokes and then i knew i was going somewhere as my body and vision started to vibrate at a high frequency. the first hit was kicking in delayed as i exhaled the second so i was like, "oh boy, here i go"

it wasn't nearly as intense as the first experience i described, but what i was confronted by was an entity that felt more "real" and organic than the jesters. the best way to describe this entity or organism is an octopus without tentacles or a jellyfish floating in space. it was blue, round but not circular, it had edges, like the shape of an octagon but perfectly symmetrical, had about a dozen eyeballs and circuits running through it, and it was very fluid transparent and breathing and jiggling very graciously and smoothly. we just stared at each other. no communication. the feeling i got from it was, "welcome, i'm glad you're here." to be honest, i felt like i was staring at God...or myself...or perhaps an alien from another dimension. it felt like an arranged meeting. once the vision passed, i also had the biggest grin that i couldn't hold back. it was one of the greatest most genuine warming smiles i had ever had. then i came back fairly quickly.

i told my brother and my girlfriend that i had just saw God...

i honestly can't say for certain what i saw, but i certainly do not believe these visions and encounters with entities are imaginary. i think that by smoking dmt, we are venturing into inter-dimensional territory inhabited by beings that vibrate at much higher frequencies than we do. we are venturing into inner space.

i think anybody here who says these beings are imaginary would change their mind if they underwent an ayahuasca ceremony. i have not done one, yet. imagine a 4-5 hour dmt experience...spirits and all sorts of beings everywhere. dmt is certainly the most powerful hallucinogen, but that doesn't necessarily mean what we see or experience is imaginary. psychedelics are tools that open our consciousness up and allow us to explore dimensions that we are otherwise incapable of, and being that we are a primitive species, i believe it is hard to understand or accept what we experience...

sorry for the length...my 2 cents


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: crispy86]
    #18966185 - 10/11/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My thoughts is that you are seeing into a parallel universe that overlaps ours. It is likely made of what our scientists call "dark matter". Your brain has a filter that is programmed to encourage PHYSICAL survival and detect and classify stuff either as beneficial, indifferent, or malevolent. Fight or flee.

When you smoke DMT this filter is turned off so you see things that are outside the norm, at first it simply induces errors that result in your brain visualizing abstract calculations involving what we call imaginary numbers, but at a higher dose it basically reboots. That time between the reboot is when ego death occurs, and is when those entities will normally make their presence known.

The beings exist in your mind are thought-forms; they are made of pure consciousness in an independent time-space from ours. Your brain simply gives them a form as it does not understand that a being can exist without a physical body.

My view of it is that the Universe is actually constructed of pure consciousness itself, and everything else is a projection of that awareness. Thus the beings are as real as you or i, yet they are indeed all in your head in their personal manifestation.


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #18966218 - 10/11/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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My thoughts is that you are seeing into a parallel universe that overlaps ours. It is likely made of what our scientists call "dark matter". Your brain has a filter that is programmed to encourage PHYSICAL survival and detect and classify stuff either as beneficial, indifferent, or malevolent. Fight or flee.

When you smoke DMT this filter is turned off so you see things that are outside the norm, at first it simply induces errors that result in your brain visualizing abstract calculations involving what we call imaginary numbers, but at a higher dose it basically reboots. That time between the reboot is when ego death occurs, and is when those entities will normally make their presence known.

The beings exist in your mind are thought-forms; they are made of pure consciousness in an independent time-space from ours. Your brain simply gives them a form as it does not understand that a being can exist without a physical body.

My view of it is that the Universe is actually constructed of pure consciousness itself, and everything else is a projection of that awareness. Thus the beings are as real as you or i, yet they are indeed all in your head in their personal manifestation.




so...are you a non-dualist? does the word "external" not apply to anything according to your view?...just curious...just challenging you to fuel this interesting discussion :grin:


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: crispy86]
    #18967199 - 10/12/13 05:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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crispy86 said:
i smoked some very special dmt about a week ago, best batch i've ever had by a long shot. extremely potent and visual compared to most batches i've had...i've vaporized it twice

first trip, i was blinded with vision. i kept blinking my eyes because no matter whether they were open or closed, i couldn't see because there was too much too see, if that makes sense. it was overwhelming to say the least. we eyeballed the dosage, and i honestly think i packed a huge hit.

i was rushing at light speed up in an all metal elevator. the elevator doors opened up and i was bombarded by two jester-looking beings with big grins, but it was just their heads, chins joining. so one head was upright, and the other was upside down. needless to say, every color imaginable was to be seen. they rushed at me laughing, "hahahahahaha!!!" the telepathic message i was getting from them was, "this is what you wanted, so here you have it!" they passed through my body/head. they weren't benevolent beings, but they weren't necessarily evil either. they were simply mischievous

after that, i opened my eyes and looked into my brother's kitchen (i was sitting on the couch)...his wooden cabinets and entire kitchen were now metal with neon colors overlaying them. i thought to myself, "ok, my brother's kitchen is now a spaceship...time to close my eyes and see where else i can go."

then i ventured into an environment that was virtually identical to what alex grey depicts in his work titled, "net of being". i was there, and it was a space of pure bliss...i couldn't stop smiling. it felt like nirvana.

with carbon based lifeforms playing in the background, i started to parachute down and enjoy their psychedelic spacey music that meshes so well with the dmt experience.

it lasted about 30 minutes...i know...very long for a vaporized dmt experience

the second time i vaporized this batch was about a week ago: oddly enough, it was much shorter...about 10 minutes. i think i packed a smaller amount compared to the one i just described...probably half the amount...this time i measured 40mg

my bro and his girlfriend were spun on acid, and i was babysitting and decided to blast off once they peaked, so they could sit for me (:

so, i took two tokes and then i knew i was going somewhere as my body and vision started to vibrate at a high frequency. the first hit was kicking in delayed as i exhaled the second so i was like, "oh boy, here i go"

it wasn't nearly as intense as the first experience i described, but what i was confronted by was an entity that felt more "real" and organic than the jesters. the best way to describe this entity or organism is an octopus without tentacles or a jellyfish floating in space. it was blue, round but not circular, it had edges, like the shape of an octagon but perfectly symmetrical, had about a dozen eyeballs and circuits running through it, and it was very fluid transparent and breathing and jiggling very graciously and smoothly. we just stared at each other. no communication. the feeling i got from it was, "welcome, i'm glad you're here." to be honest, i felt like i was staring at God...or myself...or perhaps an alien from another dimension. it felt like an arranged meeting. once the vision passed, i also had the biggest grin that i couldn't hold back. it was one of the greatest most genuine warming smiles i had ever had. then i came back fairly quickly.

i told my brother and my girlfriend that i had just saw God...

i honestly can't say for certain what i saw, but i certainly do not believe these visions and encounters with entities are imaginary. i think that by smoking dmt, we are venturing into inter-dimensional territory inhabited by beings that vibrate at much higher frequencies than we do. we are venturing into inner space.

i think anybody here who says these beings are imaginary would change their mind if they underwent an ayahuasca ceremony. i have not done one, yet. imagine a 4-5 hour dmt experience...spirits and all sorts of beings everywhere. dmt is certainly the most powerful hallucinogen, but that doesn't necessarily mean what we see or experience is imaginary. psychedelics are tools that open our consciousness up and allow us to explore dimensions that we are otherwise incapable of, and being that we are a primitive species, i believe it is hard to understand or accept what we experience...

sorry for the length...my 2 cents




Dude the first part is shockingly similar to my first breakthrough with a 50mg bong rip. I encountered a checkered jester like being with bells on his shoes and he gave me the ability to create fractals out of any color and moved in electric speedy movements. After that I flew through net of being, the only difference is it was blue.


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: crispy86]
    #18967223 - 10/12/13 05:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Loooooooveee it!!!!! :awegrow:

These theories are great I'm eatin it up!  :cookiemonster:

Anyone have some eerie darker theories? I mean its possible these beings are corrupting our minds. Like what if the psychedelic experience really inspired Steve jobs to make iPods and iPhones, which are actually having a negative impact on humanity?


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18967314 - 10/12/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

MystiqueMushroom said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
We are the product of a dwarf star.


I feel like DMT entities are dead souls. They vibrate because that's what eternal thangz do.




The sun?

There are no such things as dead souls, we are eternal/infinite beings IMHO, perhaps souls that are currently not incarnated.




A white dwarf star.

And i meant DMT beings are just energy that has passed onto a different frequency.

And Nature_Boy...you say DMT beings are a figment of our DMT imagination. Well isn't everything just a figment of our DMT imagination?


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #18967326 - 10/12/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Its like we smoke the DMT to envision what DMT is capable of. If you don't smoke the DMT then you will never know what a dmt being is.

To put it simply, smoking DMT is just a tweak in perception. A perception that was ALWAYS there. Its not like boom you smoke it and these things appear, you smoke it and these things become -the reality-


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Theories on dmt entities [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #18967369 - 10/12/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)





Well isn't everything just a figment of our DMT imagination?




No, believe it or not I'm real :smilingpuppy:


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