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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: g00ru] * 2
    #18964461 - 10/11/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I disagree. You parents ate meat, drove cars. They are satanists, I bet they approve of welding equipment


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: afaunaimeddaedalus] * 2
    #18964466 - 10/11/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yeah i live in a post-industrial world...so do you...

and no they are not satanists lol


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: g00ru]
    #18964571 - 10/11/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not the beginning of history.  not even the beginning of written history. 

The beginning of a worldwide religion, sure.

Back to the topic.

there should be substantial records of jesus from his time and there are not.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: eve69] * 2
    #18964802 - 10/11/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Jesus was compiled from myths

This was the conclusion of Albert Schweitzer in his classic 19th century book Quest for the Historical Jesus. It seems to be the conclusion of Tim Freke & Peter Gandy in their modern Gnostic books. But, I've read Bert Ehrman, Marcus Borg, Edward Schillebeeckx, Han Kung, and John Shelby Spong, all of whom are convinced that Iesous ben Miriam was in fact a historical person. Granted, the gospel accounts are written as Hebrew midrash, and are heavily mythologized along Hellenistic lines, the man did not leave behind writings of his own, and there are copious similarities attributed to purely mythological saviors of antiquity. But a movement began, and it developed from people who lived contemporaneously with Iesous and transmitted an oral tradition until several decades after the crucifixion death, when gospel stories were 'constructed.' I am convinced that the construction of the gospel stories was based, for the most part, on the Coffin and Pyramid Texts of the Egyptians (the thesis of D.M. Murdock in her book Christ in Egypt). I also see the NT as a recapitulation of themes from the Tenach expanded to non-Jews (J.S. Spong's thesis). Paul, the 'architect of Christianity,' neither met Iesous, nor did he speak about his personal history or a miraculous resuscitation from death. Paul wrote only about his experiences of the Resurrected Christ, as Light, and Word, and Miracle (Synchronicity). So unless someone has some emotional agenda to deny the historical Iesous, there is no purpose in insisting in the denial of his existence. Regardless of his historicity or not, I still consider Iesous to be the paradigm for human moral and psychospiritual development.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18964988 - 10/11/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Jesus was compiled from myths

This was the conclusion of Albert Schweitzer in his classic 19th century book Quest for the Historical Jesus. It seems to be the conclusion of Tim Freke & Peter Gandy in their modern Gnostic books. But, I've read Bert Ehrman, Marcus Borg, Edward Schillebeeckx, Han Kung, and John Shelby Spong, all of whom are convinced that Iesous ben Miriam was in fact a historical person. Granted, the gospel accounts are written as Hebrew midrash, and are heavily mythologized along Hellenistic lines, the man did not leave behind writings of his own, and there are copious similarities attributed to purely mythological saviors of antiquity. But a movement began, and it developed from people who lived contemporaneously with Iesous and transmitted an oral tradition until several decades after the crucifixion death, when gospel stories were 'constructed.' I am convinced that the construction of the gospel stories was based, for the most part, on the Coffin and Pyramid Texts of the Egyptians (the thesis of D.M. Murdock in her book Christ in Egypt). I also see the NT as a recapitulation of themes from the Tenach expanded to non-Jews (J.S. Spong's thesis). Paul, the 'architect of Christianity,' neither met Iesous, nor did he speak about his personal history or a miraculous resuscitation from death. Paul wrote only about his experiences of the Resurrected Christ, as Light, and Word, and Miracle (Synchronicity). So unless someone has some emotional agenda to deny the historical Iesous, there is no purpose in insisting in the denial of his existence. Regardless of his historicity or not, I still consider Iesous to be the paradigm for human moral and psychospiritual development.




Boy, I sure do love your posts! :thumbup:

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Thanks for the knowledge and insight; I can assure you that it is always well received, at least by me.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: ConfettiHead]
    #18965032 - 10/11/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: omegafaust]
    #18965098 - 10/11/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Not the beginning of history.  not even the beginning of written history. 





you're gonna have to think outside the box a little if you want to discuss this. there's a reason we date our calendar from jesus's birth. and if you look at our current timeline, this EURO/AMERICAN western civ thing really 'began' with the fall of Rome. Well Jesus came about way before that but the Roman empire split into east and west (one half was christian) so you can certainly look at it as christianity ushering in the fall of rome.

And those same germanic tribes that took Rome down eventually adopted christian beliefs and set the foundation for much Medieval society. Makes sense to me. Jesus happened yo.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: g00ru]
    #18965210 - 10/11/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)





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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: afaunaimeddaedalus]
    #18965248 - 10/11/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)


 


See ying yang the bitches are sortof mans enemy b
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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: afaunaimeddaedalus]
    #18965264 - 10/11/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



Jesus was awake and doing what many mystics do, he said things people in power didn't like.  At this point in this day and age doesn't matter if he lived or died.  His direct words still stand test of time, like any other mystic.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: MeinDarkEye]
    #18965274 - 10/11/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A dog is a wild animal, we killed ourselbes with them


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: afaunaimeddaedalus]
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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: ConfettiHead]
    #18965314 - 10/11/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:cheers: ConfettiHead!


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: afaunaimeddaedalus]
    #18965324 - 10/11/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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A dog is a wild animal, we killed ourselbes with them




If Jesus is eternal, does that not make us equally eternal.  If he died, why are we still here. :goodluck:


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: MeinDarkEye]
    #18965360 - 10/11/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup:
good article bro.
i d love to rub it in any believers face.
but you know how they are...
"whell he created these misleading clues to test our faith in him"

BLAAA BLA BLAA BLABLAA


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: Forest.dweller]
    #18965520 - 10/11/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Its more or less the name jesus
Are we eternal, I don't know,
I think we'RE Sa - tanic


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: afaunaimeddaedalus]
    #18965897 - 10/11/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Omg Christians call anecdotal stories evidence who knew!


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: omegafaust]
    #18966587 - 10/12/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#cite_note-21

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^ In a 2011 review of the state of modern scholarship, Bart Ehrman wrote, "He certainly existed, as virtually every competent scholar of antiquity, Christian or non-Christian, agrees".[12] Richard A. Burridge states: "There are those who argue that Jesus is a figment of the Church's imagination, that there never was a Jesus at all. I have to say that I do not know any respectable critical scholar who says that any more".[13] Robert M. Price does not believe that Jesus existed, but agrees that this perspective runs against the views of the majority of scholars.[1e4] James D.G. Dunn calls the theories of Jesus' non-existence "a thoroughly dead thesis".[15] Michael Grant (a classicist) wrote in 1977, "In recent years, 'no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus' or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary".[16] Robert E. Van Voorst states that biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of non-existence of Jesus as effectively refuted.[17]




There are scientific cranks, and then there are religious cranks.





there is no evidence here other than saying scholars no longer believe he was a made up individual.  that's not evidence. 




It's an appeal to authority, sure.  But so is your cite to an article that says that a scholar is going to do a presentation.

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the only mention of jesus from philosophers and records during that time is the use of the word christ which doesn't signify a specific individual. 




How come the gospels don't count as records?  The epistles?  etc.

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there is no proof he existed except for the word of man.




I'm confused as to how exactly this constitutes an actual attack on the position that Jesus existed.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: omegafaust]
    #18966601 - 10/12/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Not the beginning of history.  not even the beginning of written history. 

The beginning of a worldwide religion, sure.

Back to the topic.

there should be substantial records of jesus from his time and there are not.




Gospels?  Epistles?  How exactly are you does this argument work - that after the fact that a certain level of record should exist?  We should have found wreckage from Amelia Earhart's crash.  We haven't.  Therefore she didn't exist - what?


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: afaunaimeddaedalus]
    #18967294 - 10/12/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I feel you. But proper spelling is still useful. I got stuck on the word cliton above.  I think I know what you're saying, but I'm not positive.


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