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    #18965078 - 10/11/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Evolution does not happen to an individual.

It is not progress nor improvement.

There is no end-game.

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Re: Evolution SP#1 [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18965220 - 10/11/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The word evolution has been around a lot longer than Darwin and it still has the broader meanings to it that you're denying.

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Re: Evolution SP#1 [Re: falcon]
    #18965382 - 10/11/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. - Hamlet


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Re: Evolution SP#1 [Re: hTx] * 1
    #18965386 - 10/11/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wrong! We are constantly evolving. It was thought that we've be evolving Generation to Generation but now they have seen examples of evolving within generations!


just went to a seminar on evolutionary theory by the inventor of the Gene gun that injects parasitic genes into plants to make them disease resistant.


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18965410 - 10/11/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Evolution does not happen to an individual.

It is not progress nor improvement.

There is no end-game.

:themoreyouknow:


Three is all you can handle for now.



1) evolution does happen to the individual, mutations occur ALL the time during the course of an animals lifetime. Please see science for further proof.

2) evolution is progress and improvement. I don't see how you could say it isn't perhaps you could provide some kind of logical evidence but I doubt it since you believe yourself and views to be ineffable.

Here is my logic: a bird evolves a certain type of beak to improve its food intake.

3) I agree. (unless all life disappears)


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: hTx]
    #18965441 - 10/11/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sigh another one of these


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18965882 - 10/11/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are you kidding me. I'm don't even have an anthropology major and you're boring me.  :yawn:


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: hTx]
    #18966060 - 10/11/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mutations occur ALL the time during the course of an animals lifetime




A mutation is not evolution.


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18966294 - 10/11/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So are you saying Crocodiles stayed the same over the course of millions of years simply because they were so well tuned to their environment that they did not have to change/evolve because they were already optimally adapted?


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: Withinity]
    #18966664 - 10/12/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Life is so fucking magical and awesome. It doesn't need a plan.


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: circastes]
    #18966677 - 10/12/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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circastes said:
Life is so fucking magical and awesome. It doesn't need a plan.





Thanks for your input. :monkeydance:


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18967186 - 10/12/13 05:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Evolution does not happen to an individual.

It is not progress nor improvement.

There is no end-game.

:themoreyouknow:


Three is all you can handle for now.





"Tyger, tyger, burning bright,
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?" ~ William Blake

Tim Leary gives the answer to this question as DNA.

Do you not think it possible that humanity is now beyond
Evolution, or that we have outgrown the process from which
We emerged? 

What is your opinion of epigenetics; and also biophoton emissions from DNA?


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: tribesman]
    #18967230 - 10/12/13 05:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you not think it possible that humanity is now beyond
Evolution, or that we have outgrown the process from which
We emerged? 




This is the type of misconception(s) that I am attempting to address.

It is impossible for a species to 'outgrow' or 'go beyond' this process as it is continuous and always will be, up to the point of extinction.

Evolution is not a force nor does it have a goal; it is a backwards-looking descriptor of how species adapt.

As to epigenetics, that is a fairly recent branch of biology. As this is not my field of expertise, text books or academic articles are worth more than a million uneducated opinions.


Years ago I wrote a few genetic algorithms in software to solve some complex problems. The basic code went something like this for asexual reproduction:

Create X number of random solutions
Keep the top 50% of those that give the best (even though initially way off) solutions
Mutate one or more variables to each formula for the next generation

Repeat for Y generations or until the error approaches zero or fails to improve.

Sure, I am directing in a very limited sense, but the actual mechanics of what will happen are totally shaped by positive and negative feedback.


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #18967605 - 10/12/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

While you were writing algorithms and programs about asexual reproduction, others were out having sexual reproduction.  Some even reproduced!

Without the kid, evolution matters not.  The ones that have kids, give themselves a chance at winning the evolutionary game.  The others sit at home on a Friday night on the internet talking about it cause they aren't in the game.

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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: tribesman]
    #18967877 - 10/12/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you not think it possible that humanity is now beyond
Evolution


Yeah because children who contract leukemia don't live long enough to reproduce and pass that cancer susceptibility to their offspring thus furthering evolution? And dumb people who get drunk and drive into a guardrail don't live long enough to pass stoopidity onto their offspring thus furthering evolution. And smart people who succeed in life don't get to have children born and reared in good neighborhoods with good food, private schools, and outstanding medical care don't get to pass those traits onto their children thus furthering evolution.

What fantasy planet are you from that people don't live and die every day at the hands of myriad evolutionary selective pressures?


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #18967883 - 10/12/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How many baby moons you got?


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18968572 - 10/12/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:

Do you not think it possible that humanity is now beyond
Evolution, or that we have outgrown the process from which
We emerged? 




This is the type of misconception(s) that I am attempting to address.

It is impossible for a species to 'outgrow' or 'go beyond' this process as it is continuous and always will be, up to the point of extinction.

Evolution is not a force nor does it have a goal; it is a backwards-looking descriptor of how species adapt.

As to epigenetics, that is a fairly recent branch of biology. As this is not my field of expertise, text books or academic articles are worth more than a million uneducated opinions.


Years ago I wrote a few genetic algorithms in software to solve some complex problems. The basic code went something like this for asexual reproduction:

Create X number of random solutions
Keep the top 50% of those that give the best (even though initially way off) solutions
Mutate one or more variables to each formula for the next generation

Repeat for Y generations or until the error approaches zero or fails to improve.

Sure, I am directing in a very limited sense, but the actual mechanics of what will happen are totally shaped by positive and negative feedback.





Becomes extinct, or transcends their material limitations. :mushroom2:

On the subject of epigenetics, from what little I've read; I understand it to pertain to a way that gene expression can be altered without changing the underlying DNA, and that these changes can sometimes be inherited by the next generation. This would infer that evolutionary level changes can be induced upon the individual.

You definitely have many talents OC, I didn't know playing cyber God was amongst them. :thumbup:

Do you find credible, the claims that DNA transmits and receives biophotons?


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: Diploid]
    #18968577 - 10/12/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Diploid said:
Do you not think it possible that humanity is now beyond
Evolution


Yeah because children who contract leukemia don't live long enough to reproduce and pass that cancer susceptibility to their offspring thus furthering evolution? And dumb people who get drunk and drive into a guardrail don't live long enough to pass stoopidity onto their offspring thus furthering evolution. And smart people who succeed in life don't get to have children born and reared in good neighborhoods with good food, private schools, and outstanding medical care don't get to pass those traits onto their children thus furthering evolution.

What fantasy planet are you from that people don't live and die every day at the hands of myriad evolutionary selective pressures?




Yeah you got my number Diploid. :braindamage:


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: tribesman]
    #18968592 - 10/12/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

As dedicated Shroomery members, we are trying very hard to rid the world of the robo-tripping gene. :yesnod:


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Re: Evolution #9 [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18968616 - 10/12/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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