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Lophophora rooting question
    #18956940 - 10/09/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Would i leave it out and let it callous the same way i would with any other cactus ?

I have one on a pereskipsiosis graft and i was planning on sitting it in a potting soil mixture if thats a good idea.


I also have a few pereskipsiosis cuttings , do i need to be expirenced before i practice grafting ?










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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: Shroomhunter510]
    #18957155 - 10/09/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have find one site where is said coconut coir with perlite are good for rooting lophophora buttons, but yes.. It's okay just to callous button and root it.

There is mostly_harmless named person around forum, he have root buttons and know what kind of growing medium and conditions you can give to cutting but it should root easy, atleast peyote put out roots then when it starts to dehydrating.

Sometimes people leave 2-3cm of pereskiopsis stock, then plant the peyote deep, it caused both the scion and pereskiopsis growing roots and hydrating the cactus, If you want to cut pereskiopsis away completely, use some sharp knife, then make "round circle" to point where it's attached to stock and left not so deep but good callous there, then just plant it standing on growing medium.


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: Shroomhunter510]
    #18957286 - 10/09/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Check out this thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13235062
We have some rooting lophs in there.


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #18957447 - 10/10/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the link. I put the one on the pereskispisois graft in some potting soil and tomorow I will put the others in bigger containers with better soil.


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: Shroomhunter510]
    #18958075 - 10/10/13 06:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Cat litter (the kind made of bentonite or some other clayey material, not the pink, blue, perfumed, sparkling or singing kind) is a good and convenient medium for rooting cacti.


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: LSoares]
    #18963047 - 10/11/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So the no odor cat litter wouldn't work as a soil if I mixed it with dolomite lime , potting soil, lava rocks , molar rocks ?

Lest night I ran a test and I mixed water with the  cat litter & rocks .. It all sticks together like a glue

I'm just trying to make a good medium for potting them


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: Shroomhunter510]
    #18963093 - 10/11/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Soak some litter in water for days, if it remains hard, then it is suitable.

http://www.bonsai4me.com/Basics/Basicscatlitter.htm

Great stuff for rooting :smile:



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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: Shroomhunter510]
    #18963095 - 10/11/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Some brands of cat litters add "agglutinants" to their mix to make it easier to scoop out your kitty's unwanted bits. Avoid them. Look for the cheapest and simplest possible type and never go too heavy on a potting mix (when I use, and that is not often, I never use more than, say, 10%). Remember: it's a type of clay and will, given the chance, dry to a very hard consistency and be hard to wet in any circumstance.

As a rooting medium, however, things are a bit different since no or very little water is involved and the agglutinants make no difference (unless they're toxic, of course, in which case it is wise to use the cheapest, simplest type, as said above).


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: LSoares]
    #18963108 - 10/11/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You beat me to it, Mostly (and I was too lazy to look for that article on Tesco's Cat Litter). :wink:


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: LSoares]
    #18963198 - 10/11/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

we re root grafts to dirt all the time.



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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: LSoares]
    #18963220 - 10/11/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The cat litter is solidifying. Right now , after one day it has became a like hardened mud.

I want to make sure I don't have to keep changing soils , right now my only materials are

Natural soil
Potting soil
Dolomite lime
Hartz kitty litter
rocks

I keep reading sand is a nessecity when it comes to lophs. Can that be replaced simply using soil?

Thanks for passing  the knowledge :smile:


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: anne halonium]
    #18963228 - 10/11/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to do a bit more research before I practice my first grafting attempt

From everything I've read it doesn't appear to difficult.


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: Shroomhunter510] * 1
    #18963456 - 10/11/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I avoid sand in my mixes. Sand is used to increase the porosity and aeration of your mix, but it renders the medium very heavy. I use (at a serious expense, let me tell you...) a type of volcanic ash that has a density of approximately 1 (meaning it weighs the same as a comparable volume of water, hence a lot lighter than sand), is porous and inert. This is the base of my mix.

If you have access to dolomite, maybe it's worth reading "Hybridizing Turbinicarpus and Gymnocactus". Just google it. I would link to it, but I don't know if I'm allowed to (can some moderator shed a little light here?)

Anyway, soil is water retentive and you should improve it with something that allows the water to drain faster and air to circulate. Remember, potting mixes are not the same as soil and you should look for something that has a certain set of characteristics, rather than emulate the soil in which your plants grow naturally - it won't work.

As for grafts, they're easier than it seems. All it takes is a steady hand, some common sense and a minimum of materials. You'll be doing it like a pro in no time. :wink:


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: anne halonium]
    #18963463 - 10/11/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Awesome! Is this a Lophophora pupping from every areole or a short stock grafted in each areole?


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: LSoares]
    #18963622 - 10/11/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the earthly information iam finding your knowledge extremely useful.  I will see what I can find on volcanic ashes & avoid the potting mix & sand,


I was thinking about taking a graft off the larger one that is already grafted to the pereskispisis , that should be fine ; correct? I won't damage the original plant by cutting a litltle button ?


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: Shroomhunter510]
    #18963824 - 10/11/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Pumice is one kind of volcanic ash that is sometimes easier to find. I do, however, find it a bit too light and prone to surface after some time (it floats in water and I tend to be a bit heavy-handed with the watering can). Ask around garden centers and builders merchants, maybe someone can help you.

As for the Lophophora button, be careful when removing it and dust the wound in the original plant with cinnamon to ward off fungus. Do the same with the button if you plan to take some time before grafting. You'll be ok. :wink:


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: LSoares]
    #18964201 - 10/11/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I did some research on pumice. I'm going to try and locate a bag this weekend.

One quick  question..
I have one that is without roots  and  how would I go about taking a cutting for grafting it since its so small


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: Shroomhunter510]
    #18964530 - 10/11/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Easy enough, with a razor blade.:tongue2:

If you can handle the blade with a small piece, dont be afraid to do it.:smile:


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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: LSoares]
    #18964790 - 10/11/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Awesome! Is this a Lophophora pupping from every areole or a short stock grafted in each areole?




no, just a re rooted pinball w/ offsets.
about a yr old.
part of our clone bank collection.




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Re: Lophophora rooting question [Re: LSoares]
    #18970122 - 10/12/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you have access to dolomite, maybe it's worth reading "Hybridizing Turbinicarpus and Gymnocactus". Just google it. I would link to it, but I don't know if I'm allowed to (can some moderator shed a little light here?)







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