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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: BlueCoyote]
#18950350 - 10/08/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: Could it be the same difference between possess (anal. Besitz) and own (anal. Eigentum) ? Hmmm the differences seem to blur in English 
The difference is along the same lines, but neither describe in the slightest the baseless and otherwise-unused conception of ownership that texnix keeps referring to. Bummer.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#18950429 - 10/08/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eywa_devotee said: The idea of true ownership itself is a false belief. In a finite world everything is borrowed and used for a time. For example you may believe you own your house, but you are really renting it from the government, and the government is renting their armed forces to secure and assert ownership of their country.
Who is the government renting from, or do they own everything we rent from them? And what if I live somewhere where I do not pay any taxes?
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: dodgem]
#18951405 - 10/08/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who is the government renting from
Pretty sure that would be China.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Rahz]
#18962435 - 10/11/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Jaegar]
#18962437 - 10/11/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The decision of life and death.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Jaegar]
#18962438 - 10/11/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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all this philosophy is masturbation.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Jaegar]
#18962474 - 10/11/13 02:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jaegar said: all this philosophy is masturbation.
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Jaegar said: all this philosophy is masturbation.
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Jaegar said: all this philosophy is masturbation.
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Jaegar said: all this philosophy is masturbation.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: LunarEclipse]
#18962513 - 10/11/13 03:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: fireworks_god]
#18962869 - 10/11/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think this is the mindset that leads towards enlightenment and the Golden Age of humanity.
The ideas that ownership isn't absolute and timeless and that governments collect taxes on property have been around for a long time now. By your standard, then, we've already reached enlightenment and the golden age. 
Since that isn't the case, however, it seems pretty clear that it's just one more example of erroneous thinking. 
My standards are a bit more stringent than that false analogy would presume.
Most people do think they own stuff.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix]
#18962884 - 10/11/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well let me put it this way. Ultimately I know that I don't own anything including my body and mind. (mostly due to my awareness of my impermanence.) On the other hand, in day to day existence, I'll fight you if you try to take certain things from my grasp and to say they are mine is a convenient way for me to attempt to insure my physical survival and or emotional comfort.
This, imo is pretty much the reality of this whole debate in a nutshell.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix]
#18963030 - 10/11/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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teknix said: My standards are a bit more stringent than that false analogy would presume.
Most people do think they own stuff.
False analogy? Nah. Most people think they own stuff because they do. Your irrelevant and incorrect definition of ownership changes nothing.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: dodgem]
#18963063 - 10/11/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eywa_devotee said: The idea of true ownership itself is a false belief. In a finite world everything is borrowed and used for a time. For example you may believe you own your house, but you are really renting it from the government, and the government is renting their armed forces to secure and assert ownership of their country.
Who is the government renting from, or do they own everything we rent from them? And what if I live somewhere where I do not pay any taxes?
The government is the mafia. Protection for money, provided under threat of not paying.
What does renting, or squatting, or camping have to do with owning? Your rent makes it possible for the landlord to pay protection money to the mafia.
Any of you folks ever actually "own" property, rent it, then have to evict someone, other than "poor" me? That will put a snag in your delusion of ownership.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: LunarEclipse]
#18963104 - 10/11/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Where have you been?
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: liquidlounge]
#18963119 - 10/11/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: Where have you been?
Had to wait until the thread needed the real owner to come in and put his fat foot down?
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: LunarEclipse]
#18963181 - 10/11/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: fireworks_god]
#18963355 - 10/11/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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teknix said: My standards are a bit more stringent than that false analogy would presume.
Most people do think they own stuff.
False analogy? Nah. Most people think they own stuff because they do. Your irrelevant and incorrect definition of ownership changes nothing. 
Yeah, says so you claim . . .
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: LunarEclipse]
#18963361 - 10/11/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said: Where have you been?
Had to wait until the thread needed the real owner to come in and put his fat foot down?
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix]
#18963574 - 10/11/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nothing like a cultural stamp of approval.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: teknix] 1
#18964373 - 10/11/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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teknix said: Yeah, says so you claim . . .
It's okay though, you know, sometimes you just come out on the wrong side of an issue sometimes. I suppose your first clue should have been when you withdrew from the ideological debate on the lines of thought you presented. I know it must have sounded cool to say "Wow, ownership doesn't like, actually exist, and stuff", but I'm sure that, in the future, you'll have better insights that you'll be able to actually substantiate.
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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: fireworks_god]
#18964430 - 10/11/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Or the opposite could be true and you realize all this ownership you thought you had was pretend all along.
(Because it is.)
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