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phracktal
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ID Request From Noob
#18964232 - 10/11/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quite a few different types, all found in forest mostly growing on decaying wood. Location: Pennsylvania. Anything interesting in here?
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Re: ID Request From Noob [Re: phracktal]
#18964254 - 10/11/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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#1 Looks like Mycena #4 is Armillaria
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phracktal
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mountainplayer said: #1 Looks like Mycena #4 is Armillaria
Thanks, on wikipedia it says that Amrillaria can be confused with Galerina. If that were Galerina, would I be poisoned just by touching it, or would I have to actually ingest the mushroom?
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Re: ID Request From Noob [Re: phracktal]
#18964301 - 10/11/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can not be poisoned by handling mushrooms.
Just from caution, I always wash my hands after handling mushrooms known to be seriously toxic, but even that probably does more good for my peace of mind than my health.
You should read http://www.mushroomexpert.com/armillaria_mellea.html
and then read http://www.mushroomexpert.com/galerina_marginata.html
Pay closer attention to the descriptions than to the photos at first, and then see if you can tell us why we know these are not Galerina. It will be a good exercise in mushroom identification for you.
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Re: ID Request From Noob [Re: canid]
#18964364 - 10/11/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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canid said: You can not be poisoned by handling mushrooms.
Just from caution, I always wash my hands after handling mushrooms known to be seriously toxic, but even that probably does more good for my peace of mind than my health.
You should read http://www.mushroomexpert.com/armillaria_mellea.html
and then read http://www.mushroomexpert.com/galerina_marginata.html
Pay closer attention to the descriptions than to the photos at first, and then see if you can tell us why we know these are not Galerina. It will be a good exercise in mushroom identification for you.
Ok, thanks. I wash my hands whenever I get back from looking as well and make sure not to touch anywhere near my mouth as I am quite paranoid because I don't know a great deal about mushrooms yet.
I read those and my guess for why the mushroom I photographed can't be Galerina is because the cap and/or stem is much too large?
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Re: ID Request From Noob [Re: phracktal]
#18964392 - 10/11/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very good. Also; your Armillaria have raised, dark fibrils on the top their caps. This in itself is not diagnostic of Armillaria, but this feature is not found in the smaller Galerina.
In addition, though no spore print was taken, we know that Armillaria is a white spored mushroom; I would bet a small sum of money that the small specimen had a white powdery residue on the top of it's cap, right under the area where the larger one's gills hang over it. If not, a taking a spore print will none the less prove this out.
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Re: ID Request From Noob [Re: canid]
#18964457 - 10/11/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The reason I say to pay more attention to the text descriptions at first is this:
The text will be focused on features which are important, or are usefull in identifying the mushroom. These features may not always be visible in the picture, or you might not notice them and recognize their importance right away.
Pictures may show features which are striking, but do not turn out to be consistent or otherwise usefull in identification. They may also misrepresent features, as when a picture of a sopping wet mushroom may make it look slimy when in fact it is rough, or make it look merely wet when in fact it has a slimy texture which is important. They also sometimes grossly misrepresent color, or show a color form of a mushroom which is the most common where the text may list the entire range of color.
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Re: ID Request From Noob [Re: phracktal]
#18964463 - 10/11/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe you are right. If you look at the second picture of #4 the white powdery residue can be seen.
Another question. Once I become proficient at identifying mushrooms, I'd like to be able to grow some of the tastier varieties indoors using spores from wild ones. I think I want to even grow some actives collected from the wild, is it possible to grow them all in one place inside perhaps even year round?
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Re: ID Request From Noob [Re: canid]
#18964470 - 10/11/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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canid said: The reason I say to pay more attention to the text descriptions at first is this:
The text will be focused on features which are important, or are usefull in identifying the mushroom. These features may not always be visible in the picture, or you might not notice them and recognize their importance right away.
Pictures may show features which are striking, but do not turn out to be consistent or otherwise usefull in identification. They may also misrepresent features, as when a picture of a sopping wet mushroom may make it look slimy when in fact it is rough, or make it look merely wet when in fact it has a slimy texture which is important. They also sometimes grossly misrepresent color, or show a color form of a mushroom which is the most common where the text may list the entire range of color.
I understand, so making spore prints is a sure fire way of identifying them? Once I collect spore prints, is there a database anywhere I can compare them to, or do I just compare mine to descriptions of the spore prints from various places?
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Re: ID Request From Noob [Re: phracktal]
#18964479 - 10/11/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some mushrooms can be readily grown indoors, though many can not.
Many mushrooms will simply not fruit at room temperature ranges.
Many mushrooms will not fruit unless growing with a host plant (often a tree) species.
Not all of the mushrooms you can culture will require culture from spores. You can for many species take a small portion of colonized substrate, or a tissue cutting such as the stem base, and transfer it to prepared substrate, much like propogation of plants from cuttings.
Reliable cultivation of mushrooms from spores generally requires learning -and at least some adherence to- laboratory culture techniques. If often does not have to be made this complicated.
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Re: ID Request From Noob [Re: phracktal]
#18964482 - 10/11/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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phracktal said: I understand, so making spore prints is a sure fire way of identifying them? Once I collect spore prints, is there a database anywhere I can compare them to, or do I just compare mine to descriptions of the spore prints from various places?
Taking the spore print is one step in a system of identifying them. Spore color alone will not identify a mushroom either.
Many mycologists and taxonomists have prepared keys, to assist and systematize this identification process. None of these can/will be complete, but they can be extremely usefull.
Examples are:
http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/skey.html and http://www.mushroomexpert.com/gilled_pale.html (for pale spored mushrooms), http://www.mushroomexpert.com/gilled_dark.html (for dark spored mushrooms).
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Edited by canid (10/11/13 03:24 PM)
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Re: ID Request From Noob [Re: phracktal]
#18964544 - 10/11/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks 
I guess I've got quite a bit of learning to do.
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Re: ID Request From Noob [Re: phracktal]
#18964725 - 10/11/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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We always do.
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