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OfflineEvil Punkster
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Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience?
    #18963596 - 10/11/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I was wondering how animals perceive the world. Most animals don't have a consciousness like we do. My friend's dog barks at himself in the mirror, not realizing it is him.

Is there a drug that produces this state of mind, where your consciousness is like the one of a "stupid" or "simple" animal?

Please no jokes, this is a serious question I've been wondering about...


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #18963626 - 10/11/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

uh, no

not really and i dont think that would be safe


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: SnowDaze]
    #18963745 - 10/11/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

chlorpromazine (marketed in the United States as Thorazine and elsewhere as Largactil or Megaphen)


turned me into a zombie with short breath, I wouldnt recommend it to anyone though ...


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: akalais]
    #18963766 - 10/11/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I take anti psychotics daily, 1mg Risperidone and 50mg Chlorprothixene a day. One time, I accidentally overdosed on Risperidone and took 25mg, which was the 50x dose I should. I didn't feel like unconscious, but rather extremely uncomfortably tired. And it felt 24 hours like I'm about to puke.

That was horrible. I was on vacation far away from home and ran out of Risperidone, so I went to the drugstore and bought the wrong dose.

And I really feel sorry for people purposely trying to get high on anti psychotics. They help in regular doses and only make you sick when taking large doses.


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #18964533 - 10/11/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't agree animals don't have a conscious. Consciousness=thought. And all living things are apart of a collective conscious.


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: highc]
    #18964563 - 10/11/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

try nature,good psytrance(youtube/got some in my journal) , high dose of LSD

you will become an animal :wink:  (pure experience)

but animals are not stupid, they can solve problems
and my birds fly to and up against the mirror in the bathroom all the time too, they can't understand what it is in there, but they're curious

animals are fully conscious just like we are... they're just not self-aware in the same way we are

remove ego, that's close to an animal... no concept of self, pure experience


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: lessismore]
    #18964576 - 10/11/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

scopolamine


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: Deathcore]
    #18964580 - 10/11/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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scopolamine




Um what? Very inaccurate information. Scopolamine should never be consumed under any circstances.


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: highc]
    #18964587 - 10/11/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Uhhm... I read the thread title and answered the question accurately.

When did I say you should take it or condone its usage?


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: Deathcore]
    #18964596 - 10/11/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When have you taken scopolamine and it turned it to an animal? Maybeif you were a brainwashed slave ape.


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: Deathcore]
    #18964605 - 10/11/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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you will become an animal :wink:  (pure experience)




I know what it is like to become other things or people, but it is an illusion that doesn't have to be like actually being an animal.

Quote:

animals are fully conscious just like we are... they're just not self-aware in the same way we are




self-awareness, that's the term I've been looking for :smile:

Quote:

remove ego, that's close to an animal... no concept of self, pure experience




I don't quite know if I experienced ego death yet. My first psychedelic experience was on shrooms. Back then I had no knowledge whats so ever and just took them like they were some sort of fun party drug. Got a horrifying experience where I honestly thought I will never EVER going to get out of this state again. Eveything was the same, like 5 and 50. Both the same and I didn't really know who I was or what I took. Is that ego death or just a bad trip?

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scopolamine




Anti Parkinson meds? Doesn't these make you nuts when you don't have parkinson?


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: lessismore]
    #18964609 - 10/11/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

humans have 2 natures... animal (instinctive) nature and egoic nature (thinking about everything first, creating who you are)

it is only our thoughts abstraction layer that separates us from the animals, and from children it seems

children are animal nature too it seems, or close to it (they barely know what is right or wrong)

remove thoughts then you will see the world like a child, beautiful
remove ego identity, then you will be like a child/animal , no preconceptions, no thoughts, pure experience

ego gets built quickly again often, but else you will be a child when you're 70 ;P heh

seeing the world like a child can be bliss... but it isn't always so suitable for society...
and it can be hard to relate to your friends/family when your few thoughts are 20 years younger than your friends lol

it will probably change your hobbies etc.  but don't regret it, wish I had done it sooner

600ug LSD did the trick (had learned to let go beforehand during 100 trips on high doses)

.. reborn :-)


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: highc]
    #18964613 - 10/11/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"and it turned it to an animal"?

Okay if I give you scopolamine and I tell you to become like a ape, you'd become like an ape.


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #18964621 - 10/11/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Evil Punkster said:
I was wondering how animals perceive the world. Most animals don't have a consciousness like we do. My friend's dog barks at himself in the mirror, not realizing it is him.

Is there a drug that produces this state of mind, where your consciousness is like the one of a "stupid" or "simple" animal?

Please no jokes, this is a serious question I've been wondering about...




Try Salvia Divinorum. I guarantee you'll be "barking" at your reflection in the mirror and you won't even realize that you're doing it.


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: Deathcore]
    #18964624 - 10/11/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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"and it turned it to an animal"?

Okay if I give you scopolamine and I tell you to become like a ape, you'd become like an ape.




:ifyoucanawe:

Fair enough. I stand my ground.

Ayahuasca may give you something along these lines.


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: lessismore]
    #18964643 - 10/11/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The recent science (after India declared Dolphins non-human PEOPLE) is that animals most certainly do have consciousness. I was only reading an article a couple of days ago about the fMRI results on a dogs brain, where they have identified the emotional hub inside their brain which is in the same region as humans. Dogs cop feels just like we do.

Magpies are supposed to be up there with Dolphins too.

The more I read the science it just makes me wonder how we could all be so ignorant of these other lives going on around us, and so arrogant to think that our own mind space is the only one that matters or is even the only one functioning in such 'human' ways.


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: highc]
    #18964655 - 10/11/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

no disrespect bro, seems like your ego just couldn't take my explanation literal, but its cool no biggie..

but yeah ayahuasca totally.


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: Exogenesis]
    #18964669 - 10/11/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The more I read the science it just makes me wonder how we could all be so ignorant of these other lives going on around us, and so arrogant to think that our own mind space is the only one that matters or is even the only one functioning in such 'human' ways.




You mean like why we don't feel bad if we kill an insect but certainly don't kill people?

Because insects, spiders etc. can't tell us that we hurt them if we suck them up with the vacuum cleaner, so we think that they don't feel pain.

The more important question is how they process pain. Do they feel intense pain like we do or is it just a signal that triggers anxiety and the instinct to flee?


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: Exogenesis]
    #18964676 - 10/11/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The recent science (after India declared Dolphins non-human PEOPLE) is that animals most certainly do have consciousness. I was only reading an article a couple of days ago about the fMRI results on a dogs brain, where they have identified the emotional hub inside their brain which is in the same region as humans. Dogs cop feels just like we do.

Magpies are supposed to be up there with Dolphins too.

The more I read the science it just makes me wonder how we could all be so ignorant of these other lives going on around us, and so arrogant to think that our own mind space is the only one that matters or is even the only one functioning in such 'human' ways.




Magpies keep surprising me almost every week since I found myself and my connection with nature :-)

The soul is equally great in all living... every insect, every animal, every human

It is mind boggling, but see it every day with my birds and when I walk in nature
even birds that look alike you can tell apart from their personalities... they act very differently
they got the same personalities we got... love, fear, hunt for food, desires,  ...

it's easy to notice if you have pets, seen it with cats too and dogs sometimes
most animals are social animals

all my birds fly together and call on each other always, if I take one out it doesn't want out of its cage
it flies back on its cage and looks down on the other ones
so I have to take them all out and fly, then they're happy :-)

they can learn to speak many words too and recognize people and objects, they don't like walking up to strangers, but they come flying onto my hand or head when I call on them often
pretty impressive for a bird the size of a hand

they're like small children in every way, see it everyday


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Re: Is there a drug that turns your consciousness something like animals experience? [Re: Deathcore]
    #18964684 - 10/11/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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no disrespect bro, seems like your ego just couldn't take my explanation literal, but its cool no biggie..
but yeah ayahuasca totally.




Lol. None taken. I like debates. Probably would have thrown a couple more posts about I would just act like an animal and not think like one. You would have replied "I'd tell you to think like one". Debates are fun. But oh my look at the time. My backyards full of half drunk some rolling legal damn good looking overall white girls and I must see which one needs there eggs scrambled:)


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