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Creatine vs Amino Acids
    #18963584 - 10/11/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I am 6 ft 135-140 pounds, I am currently working out as much as I can but I really need some additional supplements besides my protein powder.

My main focus is just gaining weight and becoming overall much stronger.  I have a gym membership but due to a lot of time constrains, I barely make it in to the gym.  SO about every other day or every day I do a full pull up routine at my house and then I do a push up routine and an ab routine.  Another reason Ive started these body weight exercises is because honestly I am not strong enough for a lot of the weights at the gym and I feel that if I dont master my body weight first that I am going to end up hurting myself.

So my question is.. Should I be using creatine or amino acids?  I kind of self concluded that I am going to buy the amino acids regardless, because they are so amazing.  But I really want to know about creatine.  I want to know if its better then aminos, if it shows better results, is it worth buying and using based on my current work out routine?  I know the majority of weight is water at first, but after that does it help keep adding on weight?

I have a extremely sensitive digestive system so I was also wondering how creatine sits on someones stomach like myself.  The protein powder I use is plant protein ( Plant Fusion ) so it digests really easy, I like it a lot.

Do you guys think that doing a lot of variations of push ups, pull ups, and sit ups that I can gain weight in muscle mass?

I eat as much as my stomach will possibly let me but I CANT FUCKING GAIN ANY WEIGHT ITS LIKE MY METABOLISM IS A DAMN PAC MAN.

This is the Amino Acids I am probably going to pick up.
http://www.vitacost.com/scivation-xtend-intra-workout-catalyst-watermelon-madness-375-g-1#productDetails

and the creatine I was looking at
http://www.vitacost.com/universal-nutrition-creatine-buy-one-get-one-free-200-g-each#productDetails

http://www.vitacost.com/optimum-nutrition-micronized-creatine-powder-unflavored-5000-mg-300-g#nutritionFacts


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: Herbologist]
    #18963666 - 10/11/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

up your carbs thats not avg weight for a man your height


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: ro-deez]
    #18963671 - 10/11/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yu gota eae...a lot


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: Herbologist]
    #18963678 - 10/11/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When I went to college I was 6'2" and 135 lbs. I'm a solid 200 now.
You want to gain weight, but you should want to stay trim too.  Creatine will back the pounds on, but may cause you to lose a "fit" look. What helped me was eating a lot of peanut butter and oatmeal. And I mean a lot.  Several times a day in between meals. The only supplement I took was amino acids to help break down the protein I was consuming.
Though I don't sleep very much these days, it's crucial that your body gets a good 7 or 8 hours of sleep a night so it can grow. Also, if you don't have time for a gym, alternating days of pushups, pull ups, and lunges and squats will show you incredible gain in a few weeks if you are dedicated.


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: ro-deez]
    #18963697 - 10/11/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

IMO those supplements are BS--they are not going to replace a good diet and some good hard manual labor--if I was you I would look into eating good white meat like fish and chicken and find some way to make your workouts more productive like spitting a couple cords of wood--then again I guess a lot of folks don't live in the sticks like me--haha


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: azur]
    #18963728 - 10/11/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I dont need help on eating right, my diet is fine.  I eat all grass fed beef, I down lots of pasta and breads and potatoes, I eat lots of veggies and fruit, i drink tons of water.... My diet is not the problem here.  The only time its a problem is because I am usually at my girlfriends place where its a pain in the fucking ass to prepare myself a meal sometimes because well its not my house and I get tired of going out to eat

There isnt much manual labor to be done around here. So an actual workout is what I need to do.

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When I went to college I was 6'2" and 135 lbs. I'm a solid 200 now.
You want to gain weight, but you should want to stay trim too.  Creatine will back the pounds on, but may cause you to lose a "fit" look. What helped me was eating a lot of peanut butter and oatmeal. And I mean a lot.  Several times a day in between meals. The only supplement I took was amino acids to help break down the protein I was consuming.
Though I don't sleep very much these days, it's crucial that your body gets a good 7 or 8 hours of sleep a night so it can grow. Also, if you don't have time for a gym, alternating days of pushups, pull ups, and lunges and squats will show you incredible gain in a few weeks if you are dedicated.




Did you like the results of creatine? I would KILL to be 160-190.  I am so skinny I dont think ill ever have a look that is real bloated or bulky, fit is pretty much my body type.

I like the idea of gaining mass just from push ups and pull ups and stuff because that is what I have access the most to


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: Herbologist]
    #18963756 - 10/11/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I liked what the amino acids did.  Never took the creatine, but I saw decent results from friends that did.  I don't suggest it myself.  Eat, workout, sleep.  Also, if you smoke cigs or pot, your blood flow will be restricted and you won't get as big as you could. 
At my peak, I was doing ten sets of 50 pushups one day and the same amount of pull ups the next. Alternate on a 6 day schedule and have the 7th day to rest.  Letting your body heal is as equally important as working out.
I also did A LOT of squats with heavy weight.  Mostly because I hate seeing big dudes with toothpick legs.  Push em down with a flick of a booger. What I found though is doing squats really helps the rest of your body blow up fast!


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: azur]
    #18963772 - 10/11/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I liked what the amino acids did.  Never took the creatine, but I saw decent results from friends that did.  I don't suggest it myself.  Eat, workout, sleep.  Also, if you smoke cigs or pot, your blood flow will be restricted and you won't get as big as you could. 
At my peak, I was doing ten sets of 50 pushups one day and the same amount of pull ups the next. Alternate on a 6 day schedule and have the 7th day to rest.  Letting your body heal is as equally important as working out.
I also did A LOT of squats with heavy weight.  Mostly because I hate seeing big dudes with toothpick legs.  Push em down with a flick of a booger. What I found though is doing squats really helps the rest of your body blow up fast!




Well, I do smoke a lot of weed.  Its one of the things that allows me to keep eating.

I just purchased the Amino acids, still not sure if Ill get the creatine or not.  I wish I could do some squats at home, Idk what Id use to do that though haha.

I try to work out every day but Ive kind of been on an every other day routine, Ill try to make it more into every day


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: Herbologist]
    #18963967 - 10/11/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Gyms are really a waste of $ in my opinion. Exercise is free.  Build yourself a squat rack in your back yard.  Or Craigslist it.
I promise if you dedicate yourself to calisthenics for 2 months, you'll be a beast compared to how you are now. 
And try to find another way to ingest the herb than smoking it.


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: azur]
    #18964048 - 10/11/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Gyms are really a waste of $ in my opinion. Exercise is free.  Build yourself a squat rack in your back yard.  Or Craigslist it.
I promise if you dedicate yourself to calisthenics for 2 months, you'll be a beast compared to how you are now. 
And try to find another way to ingest the herb than smoking it.




Building a squat rack may pose quite a challenge lol.  Going on craigslist isnt bad but I doubt anyone would be able to deliver to my place, I just have a small honda so i couldn pick up a squat rack.

Im going to be in cali at the end of october, im dedicated and im hoping for at least some strength gain by then.  I'll be with my girlfriend and im anticipating the possibility that assholes are going to make comments like they have before cause she is very beautiful, I want to be able to stand in front and protect her from things


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: Herbologist]
    #18964312 - 10/11/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Creatine and amino acids both do different things entirely. Creatine will help you gain weight, it will retain water and feed it to your muscles and speed up overall muscle recovery, but you should also expect a bloated belly (not a 6-pack) due to excessive water retention.

Amino acids are found in everyday vegetables and protein, and they improve muscle recovery and soreness. They will not help you gain weight, it is strictly for muscle recovery. As long as you are consuming 1g of protein per lb of body weight that you weigh, you shouldn't need any excess amino acids on top of that. You should also include incomplete proteins such as carbs and beans when you are counting up your daily total protein intake.

You also need to consume a high amount of carbs on top of the protein that you are eating. Probably for your weight and height, I'd suggest a minimum of 500g of carbs a day. They will provide you with fuel, will help your muscles achieve a more vascular "pump," and gaining weight will help you lift heavier and stronger.

You need to know, however, that unless you are on steroids, you can only realistically gain about 5lbs of muscle for each year that you work out. Any weight that you are gaining in excess of that is likely just fat, or water. There are a lot of myths out there, and the biggest one is that fat does not ever, ever turn to muscle. (The myth is that fat turns to muscle, but really, it doesn't, they are two separate cells and you can only shrink fat cells.) So keep this in mind during your weight gain, and let us know how it goes.

You might also have to accept the fact that if you are young (say, under 23), it might be difficult for you to gain weight during this stage. Many people are ectomorphs while they are younger, and then around age 25 when their metabolism begins slowing down, they start gaining more and more weight. I personally was always an ectomorph until I hit age 25.


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: Crystal G]
    #18964354 - 10/11/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Creatine and amino acids both do different things entirely. Creatine will help you gain weight, it will retain water and feed it to your muscles and speed up overall muscle recovery, but you should also expect a bloated belly (not a 6-pack) due to excessive water retention.

Amino acids are found in everyday vegetables and protein, and they improve muscle recovery and soreness. They will not help you gain weight, it is strictly for muscle recovery. As long as you are consuming 1g of protein per lb of body weight that you weigh, you shouldn't need any excess amino acids on top of that. You should also include incomplete proteins such as carbs and beans when you are counting up your daily total protein intake.

You also need to consume a high amount of carbs on top of the protein that you are eating. Probably for your weight and height, I'd suggest a minimum of 500g of carbs a day. They will provide you with fuel, will help your muscles achieve a more vascular "pump," and gaining weight will help you lift heavier and stronger.

You need to know, however, that unless you are on steroids, you can only realistically gain about 5lbs of muscle for each year that you work out. Any weight that you are gaining in excess of that is likely just fat, or water. There are a lot of myths out there, and the biggest one is that fat does not ever, ever turn to muscle. (The myth is that fat turns to muscle, but really, it doesn't, they are two separate cells and you can only shrink fat cells.) So keep this in mind during your weight gain, and let us know how it goes.

You might also have to accept the fact that if you are young (say, under 23), it might be difficult for you to gain weight during this stage. Many people are ectomorphs while they are younger, and then around age 25 when their metabolism begins slowing down, they start gaining more and more weight. I personally was always an ectomorph until I hit age 25.





Well I purchased the Amino Acids.. Should I be purchasing the creatine as well?  I'll have to pay for shipping twice :frown: lol.

I really want to gain weight, I probably have like 2% body fat or less ( i dont actually know, i just cant imagine that i have very much of it ) so I dont mind a little bit of fat ( healthy fat lol if thats possible ).

Even if I dont gain weight, I want to be stronger and more in shape.. I want to be able to take of myself and my girlfriend physically


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: Herbologist]
    #18964436 - 10/11/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Well I purchased the Amino Acids.. Should I be purchasing the creatine as well?  I'll have to pay for shipping twice :frown: lol.

I really want to gain weight, I probably have like 2% body fat or less ( i dont actually know, i just cant imagine that i have very much of it ) so I dont mind a little bit of fat ( healthy fat lol if thats possible ).

Even if I dont gain weight, I want to be stronger and more in shape.. I want to be able to take of myself and my girlfriend physically




To be honest, as long as you are consuming a gram per protein for every pound that you weigh, you really shouldn't need amino acids. Just take the amino acids whenever you feel any muscle soreness in your body.

The only way to gain weight and become stronger is to eat more. Eat like a horse, eat every 3 hours, even when when you aren't hungry, ever 3 hours you should at least be having a snack of at least 5g of protein and 10g of carbs. Eat every 3 hours!!! Except when you are sleeping, that's it.

You're probably somewhere around 8-10% BF. For men, getting below 8% is actually extremely difficult to do naturally. This is a table to give you a rough estimate of what 8-10% looks like:



You will gradually get stronger and more in shape the more you exercise. Even without supplements or a perfect diet, that will happen.

Creatine is a good weight gainer, just know that you probably WILL develop what looks like a "gut" due to the excess water retention. There's a good chance you might also get bloating in your upper leg (quad) area too. Creatine is to used exclusively during your "bulk," when it's time to cut you stop taking the creatine.


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    #18964598 - 10/11/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you want to gain weight, UP your calories by a lot. Talking like 3.5-4k calories daily. Also, Marijuana increases estrogen levels so It might be hard to make the gains that you want to.

And if you want to get big fast, look into "Cell-Tech". Pretty much creatine with sugar, but it will get you huge considering everything else is in place.

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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18964656 - 10/11/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Amino Acids --> build up proteins why your body uses for all its processes (DNA replication, muscle growth, tissue growth, etc)

Creatine helps to supply energy to all cells in the body, primarily muscle. (basically protein supplement to counteract low protein intake)

Mark is on Serious Mass and each serving is like 1500 calories!




he drinks like two a fucking day on top of eating fast food and is still a twig... until he started P90x again, then he bulked up.. got cut more like it..

Cardio will melt weight off, so your probably going to need to slowly work into lifting n do very light cardio(etc)...

and Then there is the Hercules diet which is really insane (The Rock uses this shit)



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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: Gorlax]
    #18964882 - 10/11/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lol wtf there is no proof that mj increases est. this has been debunked. Drinking on the other hand is proven to lower test levels.

If youre not growing there are one of two things wrong, your diet/calorie intake,or how youre lifting. Stay away from cardio and isolation machines go for compound lifts. Squats rows deadlift bench dips. LIFT HEAVY EAT HEAVY. You sound like a hard gainer man. Eat eat eat.

Ps, ive gained more than 5 lbs a year with zero bf increase and no roids. Thats an awfully low number imo


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: Mescalean]
    #18964961 - 10/11/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I totally agree.  When I first started working out, I gained 20 pounds in less than 4 months and have never done steroids.


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: azur]
    #18965006 - 10/11/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thev noob gains are the shit man i miss those days. Complete transformation in so little time.

Ps I 100 percent encourage smoking bud. Sober eating i gag half way through. Stoned eating im a garbage disposal. Only thing to watch out for is make smart choices. Go for the chicken instead of the chips. Greek yogurt is the bomb bomb.


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: Mescalean]
    #18965346 - 10/11/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah wtf weed don't lower shit! If anything it lower my ability to not stop eating.


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Re: Creatine vs Amino Acids [Re: Gorlax]
    #18965393 - 10/11/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Eat food, a lot of food. If you cant do thet dont waste your money on supps.I don't supplement at all aside from a multi vitamin and a ore workout drink.


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