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Jesus story is pure fiction
    #18955142 - 10/09/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm

Jesus was compiled from myths, and paid for by affluent Roman.

There is not even a Jesus who this was based on.  Jesus is like Bugs Bunny.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: eve69]
    #18955172 - 10/09/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#cite_note-21

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^ In a 2011 review of the state of modern scholarship, Bart Ehrman wrote, "He certainly existed, as virtually every competent scholar of antiquity, Christian or non-Christian, agrees".[12] Richard A. Burridge states: "There are those who argue that Jesus is a figment of the Church's imagination, that there never was a Jesus at all. I have to say that I do not know any respectable critical scholar who says that any more".[13] Robert M. Price does not believe that Jesus existed, but agrees that this perspective runs against the views of the majority of scholars.[14] James D.G. Dunn calls the theories of Jesus' non-existence "a thoroughly dead thesis".[15] Michael Grant (a classicist) wrote in 1977, "In recent years, 'no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus' or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary".[16] Robert E. Van Voorst states that biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of non-existence of Jesus as effectively refuted.[17]




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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: eve69]
    #18955331 - 10/09/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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eve69 said:
http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm

Jesus was compiled from myths, and paid for by affluent Roman.

There is not even a Jesus who this was based on.  Jesus is like Bugs Bunny.






Bugs Bunny is a Sentient Being that lives in my Paradise.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: Mr.Al] * 2
    #18955520 - 10/09/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Whether Bugs Bunny is real or not doesn't matter, the effect he has on the sociocultural psyche is real.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #18955533 - 10/09/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm fairly certain that Bugs Bunny would "Respectfully Disagree" and insist that the fact that he is real is very important.:lol:


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: Mr.Al]
    #18958537 - 10/10/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In my lifetime of experience no one has even come close to approximating Bugs Bunny, for speed, wit, or gusto.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #18958779 - 10/10/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Whether Bugs Bunny is real or not doesn't matter, the effect he has on the sociocultural psyche is real.




^This.

The argument for existence vs. nonexistence in the case of Jesus Christ, Krishna, Horus, etc. is of no value to us in the year 2013. We will never come to a conclusive end on the matter, therefore it is a waste of time to discourse on it. It matters not whether the stories themselves are historical or not. The only matter of concern is the kind of impact that the stories have on us in the present moment. Are they applicable to my life in the present age? If so, does the application of the lesson given in the story improve my life or not? If it does improve my life, then it is of value to me. If not, then it can be discarded and I can quit wasting my time. However, in either case, the historical accuracy of the story is irrelevant.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: c0sm0nautt] * 1
    #18958931 - 10/10/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Whether Bugs Bunny is real or not doesn't matter, the effect he has on the sociocultural psyche is real.




LOL


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: ConfettiHead]
    #18959423 - 10/10/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:
Whether Bugs Bunny is real or not doesn't matter, the effect he has on the sociocultural psyche is real.




^This.

The argument for existence vs. nonexistence in the case of Jesus Christ, Krishna, Horus, etc. is of no value to us in the year 2013. We will never come to a conclusive end on the matter, therefore it is a waste of time to discourse on it. It matters not whether the stories themselves are historical or not. The only matter of concern is the kind of impact that the stories have on us in the present moment. Are they applicable to my life in the present age? If so, does the application of the lesson given in the story improve my life or not? If it does improve my life, then it is of value to me. If not, then it can be discarded and I can quit wasting my time. However, in either case, the historical accuracy of the story is irrelevant.




then theyre not special. nor is the religion.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: Yogi1]
    #18961295 - 10/10/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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ConfettiHead said:
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c0sm0nautt said:
Whether Bugs Bunny is real or not doesn't matter, the effect he has on the sociocultural psyche is real.




^This.

The argument for existence vs. nonexistence in the case of Jesus Christ, Krishna, Horus, etc. is of no value to us in the year 2013. We will never come to a conclusive end on the matter, therefore it is a waste of time to discourse on it. It matters not whether the stories themselves are historical or not. The only matter of concern is the kind of impact that the stories have on us in the present moment. Are they applicable to my life in the present age? If so, does the application of the lesson given in the story improve my life or not? If it does improve my life, then it is of value to me. If not, then it can be discarded and I can quit wasting my time. However, in either case, the historical accuracy of the story is irrelevant.




then theyre not special. nor is the religion.





We have a special place for special people, whether they are Bugs Bunnies or Jesuses.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: eve69] * 2
    #18963450 - 10/11/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Jesus is certainly real, as his love and energy is a testament towards. Read your Bible eve69 :wink:


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: g00ru]
    #18964130 - 10/11/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That proves absolutely nothing except some guys said he's real.  :lol:


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: Icelander]
    #18964200 - 10/11/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yeah and i'm one of em :tongue:


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: g00ru]
    #18964304 - 10/11/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly, my point.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: Icelander]
    #18964339 - 10/11/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

/shrug its good to read it whether you believe or not (trust me on that one)


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #18964367 - 10/11/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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sonamdrukpa said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#cite_note-21

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^ In a 2011 review of the state of modern scholarship, Bart Ehrman wrote, "He certainly existed, as virtually every competent scholar of antiquity, Christian or non-Christian, agrees".[12] Richard A. Burridge states: "There are those who argue that Jesus is a figment of the Church's imagination, that there never was a Jesus at all. I have to say that I do not know any respectable critical scholar who says that any more".[13] Robert M. Price does not believe that Jesus existed, but agrees that this perspective runs against the views of the majority of scholars.[1e4] James D.G. Dunn calls the theories of Jesus' non-existence "a thoroughly dead thesis".[15] Michael Grant (a classicist) wrote in 1977, "In recent years, 'no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus' or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary".[16] Robert E. Van Voorst states that biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of non-existence of Jesus as effectively refuted.[17]




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there is no evidence here other than saying scholars no longer believe he was a made up individual.  that's not evidence. 

the only mention of jesus from philosophers and records during that time is the use of the word christ which doesn't signify a specific individual. 

there is no proof he existed except for the word of man.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: omegafaust]
    #18964394 - 10/11/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

well really all history is like that...it's all a story...


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: g00ru]
    #18964421 - 10/11/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No, not all history is like that.  a story yes, but recorded history that is accepted by peers from the time and several sources agree. 

the thing is there is no documentation of jesus and the acts he performed other than the bible. 

something occuring like this would be well documented and thought on by philosophers and scholars.  it was not however.


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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: omegafaust]
    #18964440 - 10/11/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Jesus story is pure fiction [Re: omegafaust]
    #18964449 - 10/11/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yeah but the historical wave is very easy to follow. Roman history is totally filled with it, from the underground christian movement to the empire eventually adopting Christianity as the official religion.

and even earlier than that the spread coming from the original 'jewish christians' in Jerusalem is well documented, and also apostles like Paul of Tarsus are accepted by historians to have existed.

i think it just trips people out because Jesus was literally the beginning of history in many ways (for our modern west which came around after the fall of Rome).


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