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Stuck in the ego trip.
#18963424 - 10/11/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It was a joke made half seriously. You haven't defeated any arguments except in your own mind. You reply selectively and ignore information you cannot refute. Not worth the correspondence. You're like a broken record dude.
See you on the other side.
Seems to me that this is almost always the way debate goes here. Close to 100% of the time imo. I haven't seen anyone who doesn't use this tactic in debate. This is why imo most debate is seriously flawed and unlikely get far. In fact maybe it's the lurkers who are the ones who can really benefit from what is said here because they can evaluate the information without as much ego interference.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Icelander]
#18963461 - 10/11/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm going to have to agree with that. I've said that multiple times.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Icelander]
#18963812 - 10/11/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have pondered that very same thing a many times.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Withinity] 1
#18963870 - 10/11/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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In fact maybe it's the lurkers who are the ones who can really benefit from what is said here because they can evaluate the information without as much ego interference.
Though its worth considering that this is not always the case, a lurker could be picking and choosing sides all the same to validate whatever beliefs they may holding. Since they never put it out into the open it wont be questioned, in turn they might be fueling a mechanism keeping them from questioning themselves. If that makes any sense.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Withinity]
#18964092 - 10/11/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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good point
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Icelander]
#18964186 - 10/11/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah it happens all the time here..which is why I ask more questions now versus making statements. I've changed my tactics up a bit, moreso that I and others can get a better understanding of anothers POV, and perhaps with the right question it invites the asked to evaluate what they have said in order to answer and may perhaps see the flaw in their logic, if there is any, versus blindly defending whatever position they were holding for egoic reasons.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: hTx]
#18964202 - 10/11/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I do that with you all the time.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Icelander]
#18964226 - 10/11/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You do?
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: hTx]
#18964229 - 10/11/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I really want you to see the flaws in your logic. (if there are any)
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Icelander] 4
#18972949 - 10/13/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Debate inherently carries the seeds of its own downfall, in that the motive of a debater is not to seek truth, but rather to win the argument. It can be useful in order to show how some arguments are faulty, but its use is purely destructive rather than constructive; people rarely offer up original thought for fear of their post being dissected and torn to shreds, or that their e-reputation might be sullied for making a stupid argument.
Of course, pure discussion without competitive debate isn't necessarily any better, but for different reasons.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: deCypher]
#18974610 - 10/13/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It seems like 99% of 'progress' is unlearning. If I can't just wind it up and let it go something probably needs to be destroyed/discarded. At the same time I don't think destruction and creativity ever happen alone, though the motive and quality of information could prevent any useful destruction from occurring.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Icelander]
#18974952 - 10/14/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It was a joke made half seriously. You haven't defeated any arguments except in your own mind. You reply selectively and ignore information you cannot refute. Not worth the correspondence. You're like a broken record dude.
See you on the other side.
Seems to me that this is almost always the way debate goes here. Close to 100% of the time imo. I haven't seen anyone who doesn't use this tactic in debate. This is why imo most debate is seriously flawed and unlikely get far. In fact maybe it's the lurkers who are the ones who can really benefit from what is said here because they can evaluate the information without as much ego interference. 
I've changed my mind many times mid argument  If someone had the time/reason to read through all of my posts they might be surprised at the changes in just the past year that I've been here.
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That's likely due to my posts.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Icelander]
#18975618 - 10/14/13 07:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: That's likely due to my posts. 

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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: hTx]
#18976448 - 10/14/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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hTx said: You do? 
He totally does.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: NetDiver]
#18979034 - 10/14/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can't wrap my head around philosophies right now, I need a dose to replenish my philosophical spirit.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Icelander]
#18980360 - 10/15/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: In fact maybe it's the lurkers who are the ones who can really benefit from what is said here because they can evaluate the information without as much ego interference. 
More than half of the time I am here, I do not post. I've learned so much just watching and reading... The discussion/debate subjects are just as intriguing to read as the human behavioral responses/thought processes of individuals caught in these dramas...
Not only am I getting food for thought, I'm getting lessons in the mental behaviors of humans.
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What would you say about my behavioral patterns?
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Icelander]
#18980998 - 10/15/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think he wants to risk getting banned.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Icelander]
#18981705 - 10/15/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting analogy to this idea I just noticed in the book I'm reading. The book is "Imagine - How Creativity Works" by Lehrer. The section I'm currently in describes the importance of cities in creativity, as essential "idea multipliers." However, not all cities posess the same amount of this quality. Some cities have creative roadblocks, whether too much segregation or poorly designed transportation systems,, etc, that obstruct the exchange of ideas & the citizens' potential.
I see egos as a micro-parallel. It can be hugely beneficial when cultivated with wisdom & a sense of play.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Icelander] 1
#18983806 - 10/15/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What would you say about my behavioral patterns?
I really don't have much to say about them to be honest, as I really don't judge them. (The only ones noticeable through this medium that is.)
But, I'd say your behavioral patterns on this forum have a strong impact on others thought processes, as it seems you more oft than not challenge others bullshit where you perceive it.
I get the feeling that you're often drawn back to this forum because, like myself, it is one of the few mediums in which the ugly wisdom you have found 'makes a difference', one of the few niches where those aspects of ourselves can be exercised.
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Thanks (pretty right on)
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Icelander]
#18984341 - 10/16/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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After lurking like crazy for the past week this thread has convinced me to register, so allow me to introduce myself. I'm a Psychology undergrad and you can call me Phantom. Please try to be aware of my sarcasm and criticize me when you can and I'll leave it at that. See you around
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Phantomime]
#18985059 - 10/16/13 07:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Welcome to my nightmare.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: Icelander]
#18986754 - 10/16/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It was a joke made half seriously. You haven't defeated any arguments except in your own mind. You reply selectively and ignore information you cannot refute. Not worth the correspondence. You're like a broken record dude.
See you on the other side.
Seems to me that this is almost always the way debate goes here. Close to 100% of the time imo. I haven't seen anyone who doesn't use this tactic in debate. This is why imo most debate is seriously flawed and unlikely get far. In fact maybe it's the lurkers who are the ones who can really benefit from what is said here because they can evaluate the information without as much ego interference. 
Do you really believe it's because of "ego trips" that the debate plays out like this? If it's because of an ego trip, then it's pretty sorry one isn't it? I mean ego trips can be pretty great... I don't think I am disagreeing with you, but trying to understand what you mean.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: husmmoor]
#18986817 - 10/16/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you really believe it's because of "ego trips" that the debate plays out like this? If it's because of an ego trip, then it's pretty sorry one isn't it? I mean ego trips can be pretty great... I don't think I am disagreeing with you, but trying to understand what you mean.
Clinging to an indefensible position is the matter of ego, and from my observation more common than not on these boards.
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Do you really believe it's because of "ego trips" that the debate plays out like this? If it's because of an ego trip, then it's pretty sorry one isn't it? I mean ego trips can be pretty great... I don't think I am disagreeing with you, but trying to understand what you mean.
Clinging to an indefensible position is the matter of ego, and from my observation more common than not on these boards.
If you mean a person who keeps clinging to a position that he/she realizes (at some point in the debate at least) is wrong, but just won't admit "defeat" then I agree. I just ascribed these things more to ignorance rather than knowingly keeping up some false position. But I guess you might be right! A shame if it is so.
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Re: Stuck in the ego trip. [Re: husmmoor]
#18987040 - 10/16/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you mean a person who keeps clinging to a position that he/she realizes (at some point in the debate at least) is wrong, but just won't admit "defeat" then I agree. I just ascribed these things more to ignorance rather than knowingly keeping up some false position. But I guess you might be right! A shame if it is so.
There's a middle ground which I think is the common scenario, the ego gets in the way of the individual admitting to themselves that they are wrong. I'm sure its less common for someone to actually realize that 2+2 doesn't equal 86 and cling to the equation anyways Personally I admit when my views change on a subject, sticking to one's guns would mean I'd be as intelligent or educated as I was at 15
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