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A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting
    #18961975 - 10/10/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This question came up when I was thinking about my relationship with my cat, why I was pondering this matter? Most likely the weed I smoked. Anyways:

I know that my cat knows that I love her, but does she know that I know that she loves me?


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: stellarshnap]
    #18961987 - 10/10/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes I think that our pets truly know how to trust and only teach us how to emulate how to trust :shrug:


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18961999 - 10/10/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yes, as much as you understand you love her, she does you


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Offlinestellarshnap
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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18962001 - 10/10/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"Trust is letting a cannibal suck your dick". I think humans are more than capable of pure trust, we need not animalian role models for this matter.


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Offlinestellarshnap
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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #18962009 - 10/10/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

WhoManBeing said:
yes, as much as you understand you love her, she does you




That's not what I mean. Let me rephrase it. I understand that she understands that I love her, but does she understand that I understand that she loves me?


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: stellarshnap]
    #18962015 - 10/10/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yet you're still asking a question :shrug:


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: stellarshnap] * 1
    #18962056 - 10/10/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

stellarshnap said:
This question came up when I was thinking about my relationship with my cat, why I was pondering this matter? Most likely the weed I smoked. Anyways:

I know that my cat knows that I love her, but does she know that I know that she loves me?




You might be quite wrong about your cats motives.  I have dogs. I've been a dog trainer. I like dogs much more than people and they are my constant companions.  People say all sorts of nonsense about them.  Like they love unconditionally and crap like that.  The fact is my dogs see me as a almost free ride to the good life and security.  I'm not saying they don't like me much of the time. But that is not their prime motivation towards our relationship.


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: Icelander]
    #18962091 - 10/10/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

but do you really understand she loves you?

do you love your cat?

dude, ask your cat.

heard a trick where you hold your hand to chest near heart and ask such questions while looking towards the one on question.


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: stellarshnap]
    #18962113 - 10/10/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

stellarshnap said:
"Trust is letting a cannibal suck your dick". I think humans are more than capable of pure trust, we need not animalian role models for this matter.




So humans are more capable of letting cannibals suck our dicks?  Perhaps.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18962129 - 10/10/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

"Trust is letting a cannibal suck your dick"



:hahthatsrich:
Yes! I am using that quote one day.


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: stellarshnap]
    #18962875 - 10/11/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

stellarshnap said:
This question came up when I was thinking about my relationship with my cat, why I was pondering this matter? Most likely the weed I smoked. Anyways:

I know that my cat knows that I love her, but does she know that I know that she loves me?




How do you know that she knows that?


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: teknix]
    #18963638 - 10/11/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I know she knows that because I express it on a daily basis, and she has responded to it, learned to trust me, and eventually reciprocate the feeling. I wake up with her nudging her head against mine, purring, or curling up on her back so I can pet her belly. I know cat's are very untrusting creatures, and for one to let you near her most vulnerable points without any reservations seems like love to me.

As for the whole dog thing Icelander, I would agree with you had it not been for the dogs I knew when living with my parents. We had 3, and anytime my parents left the house, the dogs would wait by the door for them to return, the entire time they were gone. It's actually why I like cats more than dogs. Dogs, to me, started to seem pathetically needy. They needed their "masters" so to speak around in order to be relaxed at all. While cats are more independent, and seemingly more intelligent. The relationship you forge with a cat, ime, seems to have  a much greater degree of mutuality.


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"Or is it?"

The problem with intelligence is that it fosters arrogance, and arrogance suffocates intelligence. True intelligence however, bites holes in the bag.


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #18963668 - 10/11/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Whomanbeing I've had this cat since I was 10 or so, she's watched me grow up, and I her. She's helped me out in many a bad situation. When'st in a simply horrid mood there was nothing else like her warm embrace, and her extraordinarily soft fur for me to bury my face in. I have a lot of love and gratitude for this cat. Plus there was that one time when I was tripping really hard on a nice 7g dose, I let her in the room, since I was bugging out a little, she looked me dead in the eyes and said "You're okay". Of course I know that was just the drugs, and my own inner voice being projected on to her as she had been a source of comfort for much of my life. Still, it was pretty mindblowing at the time. Also a little frustrating because she wouldn't say anything else :lol:


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: stellarshnap]
    #18963730 - 10/11/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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stellarshnap said:
I know she knows that because I express it on a daily basis, and she has responded to it, learned to trust me, and eventually reciprocate the feeling. I wake up with her nudging her head against mine, purring, or curling up on her back so I can pet her belly. I know cat's are very untrusting creatures, and for one to let you near her most vulnerable points without any reservations seems like love to me.

As for the whole dog thing Icelander, I would agree with you had it not been for the dogs I knew when living with my parents. We had 3, and anytime my parents left the house, the dogs would wait by the door for them to return, the entire time they were gone. It's actually why I like cats more than dogs. Dogs, to me, started to seem pathetically needy. They needed their "masters" so to speak around in order to be relaxed at all. While cats are more independent, and seemingly more intelligent. The relationship you forge with a cat, ime, seems to have  a much greater degree of mutuality.




That's hardly true of my dogs.  They go to sleep when I'm not around and there is nothing for them to do.  Dogs that don't have a life due to neglect of basic needs for exercise and adventure are like the ones you mentioned. That's due to the owners relationship to them imo.  I speak from a lifetime of dog experience as an owner and trainer.  Almost all neurotic behavior in pets is due to the owner.


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With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #18963765 - 10/11/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah that's basically what my parents did, got so many dogs that it was a major hassle to take them out, so they stopped doing so. In retrospect it's honestly really sad. If I ever get a dog of my own, adventure will be a plenty.


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: stellarshnap]
    #18964236 - 10/11/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: Icelander]
    #18972281 - 10/13/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure whether cats love or feel love (I'm not sure how I would ever know that), but she definitely knows you know that she trusts you. Hence the belly showing, the ultimate sign of cat trust. Nothing cooler than a friendly, trusting cat :smile:


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: joustwilliams]
    #18972300 - 10/13/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

One of my dogs currently is a little Chihuahua mix that actually purrs like a cat and loves to roll on her back for belly rubs. She's also stubborn, independent and the most finicky eater I've ever seen in a dog.  Check her out. click on pic to enlarge

I used to have five cats back in the day. I wouldn't mind having one again for the dogs to play with.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: Icelander]
    #18972682 - 10/13/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I love the way dogs and cats interact when they are buddies.


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Re: A philosophical question I for some reason think is interesting [Re: Icelander]
    #18977358 - 10/14/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

that dog is so cute! and im not usually a fan of small dogs


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