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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #5406662 - 03/16/06 01:39 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yOuR TItLeS aRe GetTinG AnnOYiNg

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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5406665 - 03/16/06 01:40 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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bi0 said:
blah blah blah. It's just the Superbowl or a drunken mardi gras party (40oz sure thinks they're all the same - you know, he's right - today's rave scene = drunken superbowl party).
that doesnt seem like a new way to say hooray to me. that seems like nostalgia for the old way to say hooray.




...just because you swear by this pretentious vision of
what the rave should be :shrug:

raving is what you make of it.

i rave to have fun with friends,
make friends in the process,
and celebrate life the way people
before our time did, dancing to the beat.

its not some 'drunken super bowl party',
its what the fuck you make of it.


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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5406675 - 03/16/06 01:43 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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bi0 said:
rave is dead

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?How ?long you want to discuss why I feel that way is up to you.? Fisher runs the production company Ultraworld. He has been to jail for throwing raves, has personally met with officials from the city of Baltimore to gain the right to continue throwing raves and, in addition to throwing the best raves on the East Coast throughout the mid-?90s, he threw the first I frequented. These were spectacles of lasers, acid house, breaks and hundreds, sometimes thousands, of kids filling warehouse spaces and industrial parks to meet their rave families, perhaps pop a pill or two and dance their kinetic dances. Fisher has opened a club, Sonar, in Baltimore, and says he has no plans to throw a rave again.

Some told me in ?95 when I started going to parties that rave was dead. These were people who had been going for a few months or a few years longer than myself, folks who lamented large flyers and $15, $20, $25 ticket prices. But who were they to piss on my epiphanies? One day I was a frat boy with the full cultural baggage of the breed - shamefully tolerant of homophobic jokes and misogyny, considered dancing a mating ritual never to exceed an energetic shuffle - and almost as quickly as the next, I was a raver, hopping weekend busses or joining car caravans to seek out fantastic, relatively secret parties full of like-minded people who were united in their appreciation of the experience and the sound. It was the sound of tomorrow, these squelchy, alien acid lines and pummeling barrages of bass rising through the smoke and dust. It was the sound of a brighter future, a time and place to come when people would know the physical and spiritual joys of dancing and there would be a mass understanding that being excellent to one another was really where it was at.

Right around the time that my life was being irrevocably altered by the rave scene?s potent combination of ideology and chemicals, prominent journalist Simon Reynolds was working on an essay entitled ?Rave Culture: Living Dream or Living Death.? Eventually published in the ?97 anthology The Clubcultures Reader, the piece begins with the acknowledgement that others are saying, ?Rave is dead.? Reynolds convincingly navigates a perceived dichotomy: On one hand, the business of rave was better than ever, thanks to post-rave sub-genres landing on the UK pop charts and the mass embrace of the weekender/ Ecstasy lifestyle. ?But as for the rave myth, the ideal of love, peace, unity and positivity? he wrote, ?that?s been smelting funny for quite awhile.?
According to Reynolds, ?Rave culture has never really been about altering reality, merely exempting yourself from it for a little while.? But this wasn?t true for me, and perhaps it wasn?t true for you either. There were ideas at play in the rave scene - not just drugged kids. Here was the paradigm of the concert flipped on ear: The star wasn?t the DJ - not then, at least - but the crowd, the lighting, the pills, the physical space of the party itself. You didn?t go to a party to stare at a musician. If you wanted passive entertainment, you went to a rock show. If you wanted to immerse yourself in entertainment, to take an active role in your own good time, you went to a rave.

?With E, the full-on raver lifestyle means Literally falling in love every weekend, then (with the inevitable mid- week crash) having your heart broken. Millions of kids across Europe are still riding this emotional roller coaster. Always looking ahead to their next tryst with E, dying to gush, addicted to love, in love with ... nothing.?

?Nothing?? Even as Reynolds was using clinical, academic precision to spell out the nothingness of rave, it was changing my life, much the way I suspect it changed Reynolds? a few years earlier. When I called the author to ask him about the essay, he laughed, ?That was written from a point of crisis of confidence, that thing that people go through after a couple of years when they start to have doubts that maybe it?s not as exciting as it appears to be, and, even if it is, where is it all Leading?? And he admitted what I suspected: ?When I got into it in ?91, there were loads of people saying it was dead, then too.?

Are raves somehow less culturally vital then they were a few years ago, 10 years ago or than they were in 1986 in England? Does the commodification of a culture - the music being sold on car commercials, the fashion being sold at every mall in America for awhile (and now not even cool enough for that), even the pills being pimped at frat houses and yuppie soirees across the U.S. somehow erode the core experience? Or is passing that judgment just another version jaded burnouts telling Reynolds he had missed boat by ?91? I joined the NYC-Raves Internet mailing list, asked for a response from anyone who had go to their first party in the past six months or so had what they would call a ?spiritual,? ?enlightening? or ?life-changing? experience. As the day went on, I was surprised by the complete lack of traffic received only a couple of mocking replies and deafening silence. One post, from the list?s moderator was particularly snarky: ?I think you?re about years too late.? The irony of Reynolds? observation is that today, it seems he got it backwards. The ideal of rave - peace, love, unity and respect to simple DIY to others - live on in truly underground events and new rave converts and even in other parties, such as Burning Man. But the business spoke to more than 30 key players from the scene - DJs, promoters, agents, record shop owner label managers and publicists from around the country - and this much is clear: The business of rave is crashing like a post-binge tweaker. The rave and club scenes have long held a narcissistic sort of pride in straddling the line between mainstream and underground, happy to sell street cred to any and every willing consumer. But when it comes to organizing as an industry, "electronica" is in the dark ages. Mainstream music has SoundScan to chart album sales and Pollstar to detail the success of concerts and tours - services that raves and clubs do not utilize, certainly not with 12-inches and one-offs. According to a source close to the major vinyl outlets in the U.S., sales were down about a quarter in 2001 from their 2000 peak. This year, sales will finish down about a third from that 2000 mark. This is a greater decline than the slowing of he music industry at large, which is down about 20 percent over the same period. Across the pond, Record Industry, by far Europe?s largest presser of vinyl, has seen orders drop by 20 percent this ear from last.

Two of the biggest and best clubs - New York?s Twilo and Washington, D.C.?s Buzz - have closed and at press time, Spundae in Los Angeles had just suffered a huge raid, leaving its future in some doubt. Attendance at big nightclubs is down across the board in the U.S. and the UK. According to international nightlife research group Mintel, nightclub and discotheque admissions in the UK grew steadily throughout the ?90s til ?98, when it took its first downturn, dropping steadily each year since. Two of the UK?s larger clubs, Cream and Ministry, have closed, and a third, Gatecrasher, has gone from a weekly event to a monthly. Ministry?s self-titled magazine - at one point the top-selling title in British clubland - has folded. Once blue-chip record labels have closed their doors or been relegated to the margins. In 2001, Ministry of Sound coughed up a substantial sum to sign electro up-and-comers Fischerspooner; now the label has released their stateside employees (making them all sign confidentiality agreements) and auctioned off Fischerspooner to a major label. Strictly Rhythm - once one of the most respected labels in the game - closed its doors this year as well. Steve Lau is president of Kinetic Records, the label that released trance ?superstar DJ? Sasha?s under-performing artist album, Airdrawndagger, earlier this year. Kinetic recently laid off all but a bare-bones staff. ?It?s a number of factors,? says Lau of the dance music industry?s decline. ?There?s the economy, of course. And I think the market was completely over- saturated with DJ mix compilations. Add to that I think fans of electronic music are more technologically savvy, more likely to download music, than fans of other music. Also, on some level, I think everyone realizes that he or she could be a DJ. Part of the mystery behind the whole thing evaporated.?

At the core of all of these industry developments is a feeder system of enthusiastic new customers that is grinding to a halt. Raves are not happening with the same frequency they once did, not by a long shot. ?The rave scene is probably a quarter of what it was this time two years ago,? says Scott Henry, the promoter of now-closed D.C. club Buzz and a mainstay in the Baltimore-D.C. scene. ?I judge that on calls my agent gets about bookings - not just me, but DJs across the line.? Natalie Perez, a booking agent at PAM (a DJ management company that includes Paul van Dyk and DJ Icey on its roster) concurs, ?Between now and this time last year, two years ago, we?re having to be more aggressive in our tactics. We lower prices when needed. We?ve had to approach promoters more than we have in the past. The danger is that fewer raves becomes its own prophecy. ?You used to be able to go to like, Charlotte, NC, and there would be two raves on the same night,? says Henry. ?Now you?re lucky if you can find one in the Southeast. Out of sight, out of mind? I don?t know. When raves are few and far between, there is less to rally behind.?
Sociology says we can think about subcultures cyclically. ?Kids take the cultural products that are out there and they tweak them, misuse them,? says David Grazian, a sociology professor at the University of Pennsylvania who specializes in the study of pop culture and its subcultures. ?The easiest example to teach is how kids would rip holes in their jeans in the 1980s in order to create a new subculture style. Then what happens? Jean manufacturers look at what kids are doing and they start mass marketing jeans that already have holes in them. As the cycle moves on, clearly it?s companies that are winning. They are constantly able to make more profits by hunting down the cool.?

I called Capitol Records, the major label that turned Dirty Vegas? ?Days Go By? into a hit by placing the song in a Mitsubishi car commercial. They were happy to talk to me because they?re busy trying to repeat the formula: At press time, Mitsubishi was launching a new tine of cars with 60-second TV spots, featuring the dreamy electronica of the song ?Breathe? by another Capitol act, Telepopmusik. Tel6popmusik?s debut album, Genetic World, saw an immediate spike in sales, up 30 percent the first week, up another 76 percent the next. As Tripp DuBois from Capitol?s marketing department explained, Telepopmusik?s positioning was the result of the careful cultivation of cool.

?We micro-marketed the record,? says DuBois. ?With Tetepopmusik, we did CD samplers and stickers. Our street teams worked the raves. It?s that base we built and developed that allows us to get to the next step of exposure from Mitsubishi. When we go to these advertising agencies, the band has to mean something. They have to say something.

If it?s the right thing, the new hip thing, then [these agencies] want to be part of the action as well. It?s our job to get to that base so we can transition to the broader marker.?

As DuBois spoke, I was daydreaming about how foreign raves seemed to me when I first went. There was no techno on commercials. There was no one handing out marketing materials, as best as I can recall, unless you count flyers for other parties. ?We really nailed the game plan,? says DuBois. ?Mitsubishi kicked in and now we?re transitioning. We?re going to Modern Rock on Nov. 19 and Top 40 on Jan. 21. We?re shooting a video and wilt ship another 50,000 units.? The big picture is that it seems rave - regardless of (or in addition to) a sagging economy and a crackdown by authorities - was in the process of down-cycling, subculturally, on its own. As techno DJ Richie Hawtin says, recalling his early days in the scene, ?There was a sense of belonging to a group of people who had found common interests and united to do something a little different, rather than a group of people who had been marketed to.? Or as U.S. rave originator Frankie Bones succinctly puts it, ?I don?t think 14- or 15-year-olds today think rave is the cool thing to do anymore.? One look at the regional rave e-mail lists - once the lifeblood of information for a burgeoning grassroots scene - bears out this point. Traffic in all the major regions grew steadily through the end of 2000, then began a freefall. Sometime around early 2001, MW-raves, Mountain-raves, NYC-raves and SF-raves all took a dive. In many instances, traffic steadily fell to pre-?96 numbers; in July, MW-raves had its lowest volume since October 1993. In other words, people were rapidly losing interest in raves at the same time that the Feds were making their first big bust with ?Disco? Donnie Estopinal in New Orleans. As much as the Feds might like to congratulate themselves, they didn?t kill the scene. We managed that on our own.

Folks are quick to point fingers now. Nowhere is the animosity more present than in the relationship between promoters and superstar DJs. ?The agents and the big-name DJs refused to give the promoters of the one-off events any breathing room on their fees,? says Fisher, ?to the point where the big promoters couldn?t make money. Over the last three years I subsidized Paul van Dyk to play in D.C. while I sweat my ass off and lost money. I subsidized Boy George while I worked my ass off and lost money. The dance music scene refused to respect individual markets for what they were. I don?t give a SCHIT.COM if you can draw 40,000 people in LA. In Baltimore and D.C., you can?t. Promoters and some big-name DJs had no respect for that. They?d tell you, ?Well, I?d rather not play.??
But if you talk to the agents, it?s the promoters who are greedy. ?One of two people gets the money,? says Gerry Gerrard, the agent of luminaries including Paul Oakenfold, the Prodigy and the Chemical Brothers. ?The promoter or the DJ. My job is to make sure the DJ gets his fair share.? ?It sucks what?s happening right now,? says Kurt Eckes, from Milwaukee?s DropBass Network, the promoters behind the Midwest?s Further festivals. ?But it?s also sweet revenge. I can still do underground events and keep my ball rolling. But at least all these DJs counting on these $10,000 nights aren?t getting them anymore.?

So here we are, the bitter, the jaded, the disappointed: the rave scene. Some people were and are true to the scene, to the music. Others just wanted to profit, and many, probably, sought the best of both worlds. ?I?ve been doing this for years now,? said Scott Richmond, one of the owners of Satellite Records, one of the top vinyl outlets in New York, during a heated conversation about money corrupting the art that was the rave scene. ?Don?t I have a right to make a living!?? And it?s true, we all have the right to make a living. But that right was never guaranteed from the rave scene. Rave, at its origins, was just a couple of turntables, some good records and people who wanted to dance. The rave scene today is Shel Silverstein?s Giving Tree. It gave its music, its fashion, its coolness. Now who wilt sit with its lonely stump of a DIY ethic when there is no more money to make? Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Some 12,13 years ago, a Bush was in office, our economy was tanking, and the drums of war with Iraq were the perfect backdrop for rave to flourish. Today, history has eerily repeated itself. It won?t be rave that benefits from all that energy of dissent, though, but rather whatever is next. Subcultures never die; they just fade into the cultural detritus from which new art forms grow. The hippies didn?t last forever, neither did disco or punk. Yet key elements from these subcultures came together and fostered techno-drenched outlaw parties. One of the few e-mail lists I found with increasing membership was Digital Hell, a mailing list for desktop maestros. ?The dance floors may be thinning,? says Wally Winfrey. list moderator. ?But the bedrooms are full of activity. I reckon we?ll see the fruition of that in the next few years.? There are mixed emotions at the wake. Some embrace denial, pointing to the one-offs that, white dwindling, will lumber on for a time; there is still money to be made, after all. Others offer up the occasional breakout chart hits, the Mobys, the Dirty Vegases, as if that has anything to do with rave. The very word itself has become an unsanitary term, four letters that embody everything that was corporate and drug-addled and exploited about a musical and cultural movement. I?m talking to Sasson Perry of Bay Area-based Coolworld promotions, who has thrown a series of parties that have drawn in excess of 15,000 people. And every time I ask him about raves, he stops the conversation and, politely but firmly, explains to me that he promotes ?dance music festivals.? Henry recalls that when Fox News did an ?expose? on his club - sneaking in some cameras and splashing drug use on the evening news - ?they just kept using that word over and over again, enunciating it each time. Do you know what a rave is? This is a rave. Your kids might be going to raves.?
So let us spare the false spin of positivity and go out like we came in, with dignity. The two great house DJs Mark Farina and Derrick Carter were roommates in Chicago in the late ?80s and early ?90s, throwing parties before they were called raves, before anyone knew how they were suppose to dress or what PLUR meant. ?We were playing underground, Detroit, Chicago track-y minimal s to maybe 200 people,? says Farina. ?You were do a party to provide better music, do a better venue than the next guy. It was competitive like that a opposed to ?I?m gonna do bank on this party.?? ?You could rent someone?s loft for the night for tike, $300,? remembers Carter. ?if you knew someone, maybe a cat?s a little low on their re One-hundred-fifty dollars, $200 for the sound system, cover the kegs and everyone gets 50 bucks lunch money or whatever. ?Cause SCHIT.COM! I got al records sitting in my house. I don?t eat properly I Look stupid cause I can?t afford good clothes, I got these hot- ass records. SCHIT.COM! These records gonna get heard. I?m gonna have a party and play good records and laugh and see people we like it?ll be cool. That was all right. It was enough.? It was enough. Savor your memories as we a moment of silence for rave, a glowstick poured for our homies onto the cold concrete of a de warehouse floor. Perhaps it will be enough a some other way, in some time to be. And the dance will begin anew.





I think that was written in 2003.




did i read any of that?
nope.
do i care what some jaded article has to say?
nope.


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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: 40oz]
    #5406691 - 03/16/06 01:48 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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...just because you swear by this pretentious vision of
what the rave should be




how is wishing for a continuance of creativity in a music genre and scene "pretentious"? please explain. If rock music was ever lacking in creativity, would it be pretentious to want more?

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raving is what you make of it.




and so is churning butter. that doesnt make butter-churning revelent or novel now.

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i rave to have fun with friends,
make friends in the process,





much like miniature golf and superbowl parties?

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and celebrate life the way people
before our time did, dancing to the beat.





just curious - what historical period do you speak of? when was this?


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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: 40oz]
    #5406702 - 03/16/06 01:50 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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did i read any of that?
nope.
do i care what some jaded article has to say?
nope.




guess your mind is closed and without room to breathe. mentalities like that are often a factor in the demise in creative movements - you fear progress and shun any criticism of your stagnation. you are a raver of today.


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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5406718 - 03/16/06 01:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Isn't your avatar the Underground Resistance logo?  I just noticed that.  :rockon:


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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5406734 - 03/16/06 02:04 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I used to go to raves, and I loved them, for a time.  The problem with any scene based on excessive drug use, particularlky drugs like ecstasy and speed, is that you get burned out after a while.  People start realizing they can save money on going to a party by having a party at their apartment, and then they can spend more on drugs, and that's kinda what happens...  Now I know that not everyone is there for the drugs, but when you have 4,000 people at a rave, i guarantee 3,500 of them are on drugs, and that lifestyle just doesn't work for a long time. 

Eventually you either grow up, become an addict or...are forced to leave in one way or another.  I stopped going because I got so sick of seeing 12 and 13 year old girls being prayed upon when totally vulnerable because they had so much mdma pumping through their veins, that they couldn't do anything...it just made me sad after a while.  I loved the rave scene, I went to two parties a weekend for a while, but after a while, enough was enough...

Unfortunately I couldn't leave the drugs behind :smile:


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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5406752 - 03/16/06 02:09 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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bi0 said:

how is wishing for a continuance of creativity in a music genre and scene "pretentious"? please explain. If rock music was ever lacking in creativity, would it be pretentious to want more?




wishing? hah
your stance is more like the relevance of a pouting child,
who threw up after he got off a roller coaster.
sure it was fun while he was on it, but now he wants his money back? give me a break.

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and so is churning butter. that doesn't make butter-churning relevant or novel now.




butter is butter is butter is butter.

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much like miniature golf and super bowl parties?




much like ANY social event.

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just curious - what historical period do you speak of? when was this?




if this was a legitimate question &
not some quirky failed attempt at sarcasm,
i was speaking figuratively.


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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5406776 - 03/16/06 02:16 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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bi0 said:
guess your mind is closed and without room to breathe. mentalities like that are often a factor in the demise in creative movements - you fear progress and shun any criticism of your stagnation. you are a raver of today.




hey,
that sounded like on of those cheesy online quiz answers
you'd find on myspace....go you!

however, that statement isn't true.
you attempted to use some article as leverage
to justify your jadedness & impose it on those
who don't particularly care what you have to say.

you know what i do to bible thumpers
who knock on my door to preach?
i simply shut the door.


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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: 40oz]
    #5407828 - 03/16/06 01:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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your stance is more like the relevance of a pouting child,
who threw up after he got off a roller coaster.
sure it was fun while he was on it, but now he wants his money back? give me a break.




Oh, dont get me wrong - I had a blast back in the day and no regrets about my involvement in the scene. I never had a bad experience that made me leave - I simply got bored with the utter lack of creativity after '97 or so and moved on (much like everyone else).

So, why dont you answer my question:

Quote:

how is wishing for a continuance of creativity in a music genre and scene "pretentious"? please explain. If rock music was ever lacking in creativity, would it be pretentious to want more?




Quote:

much like ANY social event.




see. there it is. you're really not into the history or the future of the music or the scene - you just want to get off. that's fine - enjoy yourself. but dont pretend like raves today are so groundbreaking and creative. you're in the same realm of "disco-night!" at the cheesy bar down the street - nostalgia and rehashing the past.




Quote:

if this was a legitimate question &
not some quirky failed attempt at sarcasm,
i was speaking figuratively.




figuratively? umm, ok.

you said that mankind used to "dance to the beat." I asked what historical period that this happened in. Why not just explain yourself..?

Quote:

hey,
that sounded like on of those cheesy online quiz answers
you'd find on myspace....go you!

however, that statement isn't true.
you attempted to use some article as leverage
to justify your jadedness & impose it on those
who don't particularly care what you have to say.

you know what i do to bible thumpers
who knock on my door to preach?
i simply shut the door.




actually, if you read the article it kinda explained the milieu that the scene was in in the late 90s and early '00. But you dont want to see differing opinions than your own...

Whenever a bible person comes to my door, I usually talk to them. I guess that is the difference between me and you.


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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5408008 - 03/16/06 02:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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bi0 said:

you're in the same realm of "disco-night!" at the cheesy bar down the street - nostalgia and rehashing the past.






This is so true.

People ought to move on from the stagnant ass rave culture, as it is just a bad blueprint for kids getting interested in electronic music. In my opinion the decline of rave is a beautiful thing, as electronic music is now free to distance itself from the NEGATIVE stereotypical behaviour associated with it.


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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: UlcerPentacidis]
    #5408593 - 03/16/06 04:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I know people who plan their lives around raves up here. Sure there might not be any "evolution" to the rave scene lately, but hell there's a DJ up here that the whole city is falling in love with, and it's a fun time.

Let the kids be kids and have their fun, they'll be off on some other craze in a year or two anyway.


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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: TrancedShroom]
    #18961085 - 10/10/13 09:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

just as an update the scene in the uk in 2013 is definetly not dead its alive and smashing out bass harder than ever there is multiple illegal raves every weekend out in the sticks where i live and the drugs are stronger than ever.


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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: bigdaz86]
    #18961123 - 10/10/13 09:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

PNW still going strong


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Re: ArE rAvEs DeAd? [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #18961285 - 10/10/13 10:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

raves dead?? not in mexico my friend:cool:.

rAvE oN!!!:coaster:


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