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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: psi]
    #18960698 - 10/10/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's certainly true.  That's why I'm all for plastic cups, bottles, etc.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: psi]
    #18960707 - 10/10/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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1. We will burn every drop of oil that we can find and extract from the planet




Except for what we make into plastics and ultimately bury in landfills, locking up the carbon safely underground again in a stable form. :wink:




For now. Definitely if a bunch of tires, plastics etc submerge into the earth and cook for a while it only takes an earth quake etc to release the carbon. I know there's a shit ton undersea that occasionally gets broken into and released via natural processes.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18960716 - 10/10/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That's certainly true.  That's why I'm all for plastic cups, bottles, etc.




Not like its going to slow the consumption post peak oil to stop with the plastics rubbers etc. Noones going to care till we're dropping bombs and rioting over hundred year old outdated fuel.

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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Yogi1]
    #18960725 - 10/10/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's a moot point anyway.  At most, we've got 2-3 weeks before were out of oil.  Coal will last a bit longer, but no more than another 4 months tops.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18960738 - 10/10/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not going to produce anything else, zappa, because you'll just miss the overall point.  That point being:


YOU ARE NOT AN EXPERT AND ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO CRITIQUE OR INTERPRET THE RESULTS OF OTHER SCIENTISTS.




I don't have to.  They don't make the claims of proof you say they do.  Because some of them have some shred of honesty, counselor.
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That's the point.  You've chosen your belief, and you've found a few experts that agree.  The rest of the experts disagree, but you simply reject them out of hand as if you have the first fucking clue what you're talking about.  You don't.  You don't know jack shit about any of it, but because you took a few classes in college, you think you're qualified to critique the work of scientists.




You can't find one single expert who says he can prove it.  Not one.
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Scientists routinely look at each other's work critically...and in the case of AGW, the vast majority agree that global warming is caused by human activity.




Google "hide the decline" and then get back to me about why I don't trust them.
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I hate relying on the expertise of others, but that's all we have here.  You can play expert all you want in this thread, but you really don't know shit about it.  I don't either.  The only difference between us is that I have chosen to trust the 97% instead of the 3%.




Your numbers *(97-3 Even Phil Jones says it aint so) are crap and you admit ignorance and blind acceptance of authorities who stand to profit.  The fact is that they have tried for nigh unto two decades, at least, to prove this and they have failed.  You can suck credential cock but I won't.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18960753 - 10/10/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's a moot point anyway.  At most, we've got 2-3 weeks before were out of oil.  Coal will last a bit longer, but no more than another 4 months tops.



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18960782 - 10/10/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's a moot point anyway.  At most, we've got 2-3 weeks before were out of oil.  Coal will last a bit longer, but no more than another 4 months tops.




I dont get the sarcastic tease, really. maybe youre a jaded old fogie but I am really concerned about what happens a couple generations down the line when the most efficient abundant fuel source in history is gone. Oil is single handedly responsible for the mass evolution of the last hundred years and is not at all being replaced in the infrastructure of the future.

Kind of a big deal when you think about the mass destruction that might come when Saudi's are hoarding their supply (for good reason) and everywhere else is dried up.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Yogi1]
    #18960790 - 10/10/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I won't be alive by then, and I think good things will come from the dearth of cheap energy.  Population growth is out of control, and hopefully, the scarcity of oil will start to depopulate the planet a bit.

In any case, I won't be here, and no one I know will either.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18961023 - 10/10/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I won't be alive by then, and I think good things will come from the dearth of cheap energy.  Population growth is out of control, and hopefully, the scarcity of oil will start to depopulate the planet a bit.

In any case, I won't be here, and no one I know will either.





Well that is wonderfully selfish.  Now I don't particularly disagree with your sentiment that the whole place can go to hell after I'm dead, after all, I am the pinnacle of human existence and all who come after are pale shades of me, but that does not mean I shy from the wonderfully fun exercise of "how will people go on without me?"  Consider it a game show.

I can assure you that the only thing that will come from the absence of cheap energy is chaos, wrack and ruin.  It is the most important determiner of the human condition.  It is the source of all luxury and leisure and is what allows both of us the wherewithal to pontificate to an audience that not long ago could only be reached at great expense.  Cheap energy is the sine qua non of civilization.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18961145 - 10/10/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I can assure you that the only thing that will come from the absence of cheap energy is chaos, wrack and ruin. 



All good things in my book...particularly so if I'm dead at that time.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18961199 - 10/10/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I can assure you that the only thing that will come from the absence of cheap energy is chaos, wrack and ruin. 



All good things in my book...particularly so if I'm dead at that time.



Wouldn't you rather be around to watch?  I would.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18961206 - 10/10/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'd be okay...at least until I got really old.  I've got enough solar to pretty much keep my home comfortable.  Getting food would be a bit more challenging, though.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18962636 - 10/11/13 05:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not if you eat the neighbors.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18962639 - 10/11/13 05:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's kinda what I meant by "a bit more challenging."

They're likely to put up more of a struggle than the beef tenderloin at Shop Rite.

It just means I have to work harder to eat.  No biggie, really, since I'll have a lot of extra time since I won't have to work.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18962685 - 10/11/13 05:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You likely already know this but the young ones are the more tender and tasty. The really young ones have trouble moving fast enough to get away.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18962687 - 10/11/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The really young ones will be very scarce.  If things are going well, procreation will be curbed dramatically.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18963296 - 10/11/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Normally I would join in on this gourmet fillet of cynicism but jesus christ i have been out done.

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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Yogi1]
    #18963382 - 10/11/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone remember or heard of the broadcasting of "war of the worlds"

Most of us will get end of the world syndrome so badly when they(probably me included) will panic so badly when the news reports we are out of fuel and have only weeks (days maybe) of power left that it will be hell on earth. 

This is why we must invest in fusion technology.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: dark3st]
    #18963454 - 10/11/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oil will run out before coal and natural gas, so you will still have electricity for a good while.  What you wont have is fuel to power cars, trucks or planes.  That will have a huge impact.  Additionally, you won't have fuel to run farm machinery to produce food. 

So less food will be grown, and none of it can get to market.  Information is about the only thing that will be able to travel long distances, and only until the infrastructure starts to break down and there is no fuel for the trucks to get out to fix it.

If, by some miracle, electric vehicles become practical by that time, maybe you can hold on for a bit longer, but with that much more load on the electrical power generation, you're going to burn through the coal much, much faster.

On second thought, scratch what I said above.  There will be no vehicles to take the coal to the coal fired plants.  They'll shut down too.

Yep...you're fucked.


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Re: Global warming doesn't exist? [Re: Enlil]
    #18963532 - 10/11/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

All while were dead by then.

What's wrong with nuclear power and fusion)


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